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Re: Review: Greece's Contributions to Resolving the CyProb .

Postby Oracle » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:01 pm

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Oracle wrote:Since a number of people hold Greece directly responsible for placing Cyprus in the position which led to the Turkish invasion, and concomitant continuing Turkish occupation .... It's only right, to now expect Greece to help regain Freedom for Cyprus.

Let's total up what precisely Greece has done over the last 35 years, and is currently doing, towards a resolution of the CyProb.

.... and perhaps convince Get Real! of how wrong he is:

Get Real! wrote:Those who claim that Cyprus is "Greek" must also be able to answer why Greece can't be stuffed about liberating her... that's the point which seemingly goes over your heads!


GREECE ACTION NUMBER 1: AGREEMENT WITH TURKS AT EVROS MEETING (JUNTA REGIME)- BEFORE INVASION


GREECE ACTION NUMBER 2: AGREEMENT WITH TURKS/AMERICANS/BRITISH IN PARIS IN 1973 (KARMANLIS)

GREECE ACTION 3: CONTROLLING POPULATION (GREECE/CYPRUS) REACTIONS - KARAMANLIS GOVERNMENT 1974-1978

GREECE ACTION 4 : ACCEPTANCE OF TWO DIVISIONS IN CYPRUS -A PAPANTREOU GOVERNMENT 1986-(IF TURKS MAKE A STEP FORWARD IN CYPRUS THAT MEANS WAR WITH GREECE= LAND ALREADY IN TURKS HANDS CREATING NO PROBLEM TO GREECE

GREECE ACTION 5: ENTRANCE OF CYPRUS IN EU - SIMITIS GOVERNMENT AS A GIFT TO THE VICTIM

GREECE ACTION 6: OFFICIAL ACCEPTANCE OF HIS FATHER'S POLICY -G PAPANTREOU = ANNAN PLAN

GREECE ACTION 7: BY CYPRUS MEMBERSHIP IN EU WE FULFILLED ALL OUR OBILGATIONS AGAINST THE ISLAND : K.MITSOTAKIS + PRESENT DORA MPAKOGIANNI

GREECE ACTION 8: -COMING HOPEFULLY NOT SOON


Any comment from Greeks in the forum ? any objection on the above statement?


The only one which is a neutral statement, is number 5 ... a fact (plus your cynical opinion :lol: )!

All the rest are just your opinions.

Besides, I was referring to the steps Greece has made (after the collapse of the junta) towards reversing the CyProb.
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Re: Review: Greece's Contributions to Resolving the CyProb .

Postby EPSILON » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:29 pm

Oracle wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
Oracle wrote:Since a number of people hold Greece directly responsible for placing Cyprus in the position which led to the Turkish invasion, and concomitant continuing Turkish occupation .... It's only right, to now expect Greece to help regain Freedom for Cyprus.

Let's total up what precisely Greece has done over the last 35 years, and is currently doing, towards a resolution of the CyProb.

.... and perhaps convince Get Real! of how wrong he is:

Get Real! wrote:Those who claim that Cyprus is "Greek" must also be able to answer why Greece can't be stuffed about liberating her... that's the point which seemingly goes over your heads!


GREECE ACTION NUMBER 1: AGREEMENT WITH TURKS AT EVROS MEETING (JUNTA REGIME)- BEFORE INVASION


GREECE ACTION NUMBER 2: AGREEMENT WITH TURKS/AMERICANS/BRITISH IN PARIS IN 1973 (KARMANLIS)

GREECE ACTION 3: CONTROLLING POPULATION (GREECE/CYPRUS) REACTIONS - KARAMANLIS GOVERNMENT 1974-1978

GREECE ACTION 4 : ACCEPTANCE OF TWO DIVISIONS IN CYPRUS -A PAPANTREOU GOVERNMENT 1986-(IF TURKS MAKE A STEP FORWARD IN CYPRUS THAT MEANS WAR WITH GREECE= LAND ALREADY IN TURKS HANDS CREATING NO PROBLEM TO GREECE

GREECE ACTION 5: ENTRANCE OF CYPRUS IN EU - SIMITIS GOVERNMENT AS A GIFT TO THE VICTIM

GREECE ACTION 6: OFFICIAL ACCEPTANCE OF HIS FATHER'S POLICY -G PAPANTREOU = ANNAN PLAN

GREECE ACTION 7: BY CYPRUS MEMBERSHIP IN EU WE FULFILLED ALL OUR OBILGATIONS AGAINST THE ISLAND : K.MITSOTAKIS + PRESENT DORA MPAKOGIANNI

GREECE ACTION 8: -COMING HOPEFULLY NOT SOON


Any comment from Greeks in the forum ? any objection on the above statement?


The only one which is a neutral statement, is number 5 ... a fact (plus your cynical opinion :lol: )!

All the rest are just your opinions.

Besides, I was referring to the steps Greece has made (after the collapse of the junta) towards reversing the CyProb.


My opinion? when it was your last time you heard Mbagoggiani/ G Papantreou to do or say something important (exempt wishes for solution) about Cyprus- may be since Cyprus entered EU?

To commend on politicians, this does not mean you are against Greece or Hellenism (in my case nothing like this in my mind) but this gives me the right to comment strongly beacuse believing in something you must be very objetive in order you be able to support it. Unfortunately my friend, by statement is fully correct item per item. This is not because of Hellenism in general but because of certain families governing this beautiful country so many years.

Personally I do not have any problem with Greks in mainland -they are supporting us much more than many -neo cypriots- in this forume believe-my problem is with the certain American controlled families
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Re: Review: Greece's Contributions to Resolving the CyProb .

Postby wyoming cowboy » Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:31 pm

Could you be misinterpreting Greece's present stance with strategy. In the 90's Greece was flying f16's over cyprus during the annual NG war games...Turkey would do the same thing, Nowadays both sides have cancelled war games on cyprus, and the focus has stayed mainly towards the Aegean. Kind of a dichotomy for both countries where peace is seriously discussed in cyprus but war over the aegean
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Oracle wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
Oracle wrote:Since a number of people hold Greece directly responsible for placing Cyprus in the position which led to the Turkish invasion, and concomitant continuing Turkish occupation .... It's only right, to now expect Greece to help regain Freedom for Cyprus.

Let's total up what precisely Greece has done over the last 35 years, and is currently doing, towards a resolution of the CyProb.

.... and perhaps convince Get Real! of how wrong he is:

Get Real! wrote:Those who claim that Cyprus is "Greek" must also be able to answer why Greece can't be stuffed about liberating her... that's the point which seemingly goes over your heads!


GREECE ACTION NUMBER 1: AGREEMENT WITH TURKS AT EVROS MEETING (JUNTA REGIME)- BEFORE INVASION


GREECE ACTION NUMBER 2: AGREEMENT WITH TURKS/AMERICANS/BRITISH IN PARIS IN 1973 (KARMANLIS)

GREECE ACTION 3: CONTROLLING POPULATION (GREECE/CYPRUS) REACTIONS - KARAMANLIS GOVERNMENT 1974-1978

GREECE ACTION 4 : ACCEPTANCE OF TWO DIVISIONS IN CYPRUS -A PAPANTREOU GOVERNMENT 1986-(IF TURKS MAKE A STEP FORWARD IN CYPRUS THAT MEANS WAR WITH GREECE= LAND ALREADY IN TURKS HANDS CREATING NO PROBLEM TO GREECE

GREECE ACTION 5: ENTRANCE OF CYPRUS IN EU - SIMITIS GOVERNMENT AS A GIFT TO THE VICTIM

GREECE ACTION 6: OFFICIAL ACCEPTANCE OF HIS FATHER'S POLICY -G PAPANTREOU = ANNAN PLAN

GREECE ACTION 7: BY CYPRUS MEMBERSHIP IN EU WE FULFILLED ALL OUR OBILGATIONS AGAINST THE ISLAND : K.MITSOTAKIS + PRESENT DORA MPAKOGIANNI

GREECE ACTION 8: -COMING HOPEFULLY NOT SOON


Any comment from Greeks in the forum ? any objection on the above statement?


The only one which is a neutral statement, is number 5 ... a fact (plus your cynical opinion :lol: )!

All the rest are just your opinions.

Besides, I was referring to the steps Greece has made (after the collapse of the junta) towards reversing the CyProb.


My opinion? when it was your last time you heard Mbagoggiani/ G Papantreou to do or say something important (exempt wishes for solution) about Cyprus- may be since Cyprus entered EU?

To commend on politicians, this does not mean you are against Greece or Hellenism (in my case nothing like this in my mind) but this gives me the right to comment strongly beacuse believing in something you must be very objetive in order you be able to support it. Unfortunately my friend, by statement is fully correct item per item. This is not because of Hellenism in general but because of certain families governing this beautiful country so many years.

Personally I do not have any problem with Greks in mainland -they are supporting us much more than many -neo cypriots- in this forume believe-my problem is with the certain American controlled families
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Re: Review: Greece's Contributions to Resolving the CyProb .

Postby Oracle » Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:09 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote: [...] Nowadays both sides have cancelled war games on cyprus [...]


I don't think that's the case, cowboy.

There was an incident recently of a Turkish shell hitting a GC's home in Nicosia ...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... torder=asc

And Turkish jets use any excuse to have regular flyovers ....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=375158
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Re: Review: Greece's Contributions to Resolving the CyProb .

Postby SN2 » Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:05 am

Oracle wrote: steps Greece has made (after the collapse of the junta) towards reversing the CyProb.


ZERO

Greece couldnt give a flying fuck about Cyprus.The only thing Greece was and is doing is to use Cyprus issue as a diplomatic card against Turkey when the geopolitical interests allowed her to.

Only ways Greece would really care for Cyprus would be

a)If u have oil in the island
b)if the island is completely ethnically cleansed and populated from ppl who believe they are Greeks.No minority officially in Greek soil and no other country to have any official rights in Greek soil.

Greece has sold and will sell out Cyprus at a blink of an eye if it suits its interests at any given time.


ZERO contribution from Greece after or before the Junta.It's in Greece's best interest to use Cyprus prob diplomatically diverting attention from areas of Greek sovereignity which are under 'perceived" danger from Turkey's so called agression.
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Postby michalis5354 » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:36 am

Greece had rejected the island many times in the past Only some traitors failed to see this and managed to divide the island and give part to Turkey.
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Postby EPSILON » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:45 am

michalis5354 wrote:Greece had rejected the island many times in the past Only some traitors failed to see this and managed to divide the island and give part to Turkey.


If you change the word Greece to Greek politicians then I fully agree on your statement.
This of course does not affect the Ethnicity of people in Cyprus, as some concluded.
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Postby michalis5354 » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:02 pm

Epsilon this topic is controversial how can you have a Nationality If you dont have a Nation or ethnicity ? and how independent can you be If you have someone else ethnicity . How a multicultural country -since ancient times -became of Greek ethnicity ?

Cyprus gained independence around 669/663. Cemeteries of this period are chiefly rock-cut tombs. They have been found, among others, at Tamassos, Soloi, Patriki and Trachonas. The rock-cut 'Royal' tombs at Tamassos, built ca. 600 BC imitate wooden houses. The pillars show Phoenician influence. Some graves contain remains of horses and chariots.

The main deity on the Island was the Great Goddess, Phoenician Astarte, later known under the Greek name of Aphrodite, who was called 'the Cypriote' by Homer. Paphian inscriptions call her the Queen. Pictures of Aphrodite appear on coins of Salamis as well, demonstrating that her cult was of more than local importance. The king of Paphos was high Priest of Aphrodite as well. Other Gods venerated were the Phoenician Anat, Baal, Eshmun, Reshef, Mikal and Melkart and the Egyptian Hathor, Thoeris, Bes and Ptah, as attested by amulets. Animal sacrifices are attested by terracotta-votives. The Sanctuary of Ayia Irini contained over 2000 figurines.

In 570, the Island was conquered by Egypt under Amasis.The period of Egyptian domination, though brief, left its mark mainly in arts especially in sculpture, where we observe the rigidity and the dress of Egyptians. Soon, however, the Cypriots discarded both for the sake of Greek prototypes.

Statues in stone show a mixture of Egyptian and Greek influence; in particular ceramics recovered on Cyprus show influence of ancient Crete. Men often wear Egyptian whigs and Assyrian-style beards. Armour and dress show western Asiatic elements as well.

Under the Persians, the kings of Cyprus retained their independence, although paying tribute to their overlord. They could mint their own coins without even his portrait on it. Thus King Evelthon of Salamis (560 BC-525 BC), probably the first one to cast silver or bronze coins in Cyprus, shows a ram on the obverse and an "ankh" (Egyptian symbol of good luck) on the reverse.

Except for Amathus, the Kingdoms of Cyprus, took part in the Ionian rising in 499 BC, following the lead of Onesilos of Salamis, brother of the king of Salamis, whom he dethroned for not wanting to fight for independence. The Persians crushed the Cypriote armies and laid siege to the fortified towns in 498 BC. In Paphos, remains of a Persian siege-ramp and counter-tunnels have been excavated at the North-gate. Soloi surrendered after a five-month siege. Around 450, Kition annexed Idalion with Persian help. The importance of Kition increased again when it acquired the Tamassos copper-mines.

The Teucrid dynasty of Salamis had been displaced by a Phoenician exile around 450 BC. Only in 411 did Evagoras I regain the throne of Salamis. At the beginning of the 4th century BC, he took control of the whole island and tried to gain independence from Persia with Athenian help. Ca. 380 a Persian force besieged Salamis . Evagoras was forced to surrender, but stayed king of Salamis until he was murdered in 374. Together with Egypt and Phoenicia, Cyprus rebelled again in 350 BC, but the upraising was crushed by Artaxerxes III in 344.

The Greek alphabet was introduced by Evagoras I. of Salamis, in other parts of the island, the Phoenician script (Kition) or the Cypriot syllabic alphabet was still used, either for inscriptions in the local Greek dialect (Arcadocypriot) or in the so called Eteocypriot language (Amathus). Only during the 4th century , the Cypriot gods became known under Greek names. Anat, who had a temple at Vouni was called Athena, Astarte Aphrodite, the main male God as Zeus. Reshef and Hylates were equated with Apollo, Eshmun with Asklepios.

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Re: Review: Greece's Contributions to Resolving the CyProb .

Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:25 pm

Oracle wrote:Greece's Contributions to Resolving the CyProb ...

So... has your thread answered your question yet? :lol:
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Postby EPSILON » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:23 pm

michalis5354 wrote:Epsilon this topic is controversial how can you have a Nationality If you dont have a Nation or ethnicity ? and how independent can you be If you have someone else ethnicity . How a multicultural country -since ancient times -became of Greek ethnicity ?

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Provides a rank ordering, by country, of ethnic groups starting with the largest and normally includes the percent of total population.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... /2075.html - 77k -

Cyprus first inhabitans may was monkeys or snakes. I do not expect you to consider that we are of this Ethnicity. Ethnicity has its own definition and in all respects,exempt some Neo Cypriots propaganta people of Cyprus (you know to wich part i refer) are Greeks.

Above some records of World Ethnicities- I can not trace any Cyprus Ethnicity in the list.

Cyprus Ethnicity discovered only recently by some G/cs who trying to survive and win benefits in the political scene of G/cs community.
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