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Postby turkkan » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:29 pm

The Greeks killed every single commando that landed on Imia...the chopper was shot down, even though both Greece and Turkey deny it.



Hahahaha. What turkish chopper dumbo? The turkish commandoes entered with a speed boat not with a helicopter. Find me one source that talks about a turkish chopper being anywhere in the vicinity during the imia incident let alone shot down. That same night however a greek helicopter was shot down with three navy officers on board being killed. Till this day aside from every now and then when a greek journalists decides to host a greek flag (and then leave with it), there is no flag on that rock. Yes we so obviously left with our tails inbetween our legs.
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Postby Simon » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:35 pm

GR,

Why do you mislead people? Is it because the truth adversely affects your arguments. :lol:

[quote]On 27 December, the Turkish Foreign Ministry first notified the Greek authorities that it believed there was a sovereignty issue, and on 29 December it officially declared it considered the islets Turkish territory. The whole event was hardly reported by the media and it was not widely known to either the Greek or the Turkish public until a month later, on 20 January 1996, when the Greek magazine GRAMMA ran a story, one day after Kostas Simitis was appointed to form the new Greek government as prime minister. The article brought a severe reaction from the Greek press, which was followed by the mayor of Kalymnos and a priest hoisting a Greek flag on the rocks on 26 January. To oppose this, some Turkish TV journalists flew to the islet in a helicopter and raised a Turkish flag, bringing down the Greek one, the whole event being broadcast live on Turkish television. Within 24 hours, the Greek Navy changed the flag (on 30 January), resulting in an exchange of fierce statements by the Turkish Prime Minister Tansu Çiller and the new Greek Prime Minister Kostas Simitis. Turkish and Greek naval forces were alerted and warships of both countries, both NATO members, sailed to the islets. During the crisis, at the night of 28th of January, Greek special forces landed on the east islet without being spotted by the nearby Turkish ships. On 31 of January, at 01:40 Turkish special forces landed on the west islet escalating the tensions, and a Greek helicopter took off at 05:30 from the Greek frigate "Navarino" for reconnaissance. During the mission it crashed over the islets (some speculating due to Turkish fire), but this was concealed by both states[2] to prevent further escalation. Three Greek Officers on the helicopter died (Christodoulos Karathanasis, Panagiotis Vlahakos, and Ektoras Gialopsos).

The immediate military threat was defused primarily by American officials - in particular, US envoy Richard Holbrooke, working by telephone with officials of both sides during the final hours of the crisis. The Greeks and Turks did not speak directly to one another, but were responsive to Washington's assistance as an informal intermediary. Greek and Turkish officials provided assurances to the United States that their military forces on and arrayed around the islets would be removed, with the U.S. monitoring the withdrawal.[3] However, the issue has remained unresolved since that time.[/quote]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia


The Greek Navy removed the Turkish flag within 24 hours! Greek Special Forces were the first to land on the rock. Only US diplomacy prevented war. So stop talking rubbish for a change!

Good post alexISS.
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Postby boulio » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:38 pm

turkan all the imia turkish commandos are indeed dead.
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Postby turkkan » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:38 pm

Here is simitis thanking the greek parliament for americas intervention in saving his ass- you must be very proud to have such prime ministers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq8xeqKgtKc
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Postby Simon » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:44 pm

Turkey begged the US to intervene in the first place.

The reality is neither side wanted war.
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Postby turkkan » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:49 pm

Lets further take a look at a translation from 'the vima newspaper' and then tell me that greek special forces got onto the island first

By Manol Kostidi, To Vima


00.47 Navarino (frigate) to GNC: “A helicopter is circling to the north of Imia”

00.55 GNC to Navarino: “Let no Turk get on the islet, use warning shots, protect Imia and Farmakonisi.”

01.04 Navarino to GNC: “There are two Turkish blackhawks are in the area, one is about 500m from the Yavuz frigate, the other is flying above the Yavuz.”

01.25 GNC to Navarino: “Alert all units, aim all Turkish targets, be ready.”

01.37 GNC to Navarino: “Use flares and warning shots if the helicopters attempt to drop troops, take them down if they ignore”.

01.55 Navarino to GNC: “The positions of the helicopters are close to the frigate and the frigate is pretty close to the island. The helicopters are moving away.”

02.00 GNC to Navarino: “Be on alert, the moving away can be a distraction”

03.15 GNC to the helicopter of the Navarino: “There information about movements to the west of Imia, check and report it”.

03.16 GNC to Navarino: “Order the Polemistis (gunboat) to get commando’s on Imia, report after that”.

03.30 GNC to Navarino: “There are reports that 30 Turkish commandos are on the western Imia islet, let the Polemistis check the situation and put get marines on the islet”.

03.36 Navarino to GNC: “The marines are preparing to leave by rubber boat, the order will be implied within 30 minutes.”

03.38 GNC to Navarino: “Confirm immediately whether or not Turkish commando’s are on the islet, we have to know immediately.”

03.42 GNC to Navarino: “Sent a helicopter, check western Imia. Do it before the marines get there”.

04.08 GNC to Navarino: “Repeat, check before Greek marines get there. We have to be sure that no one is there”.

04.25 Navarino to GNC: “The helicopter is above the island, we are awaiting confirmation”.

04.26 Navarino to GNC: “We have seen nothing yet, the visibility if very bad”.

04.28 Navarino to GNC: “There is rain and low visibility”.

04.29 GNC to Navarino: “We are awaiting helicopter confirmation, the prime minister waits for answer”.

04.47 Navarino to GNC: “The helicopter past the island 4 times, result is negative, she is flying at 40-50 meters”.

04.50 Navarino to GNC: “There are some commando’s on the island, 10 Turkish marines”.

05.02 GNC to Navarino: “Let our marines stay on the Polemistis, gather more information”.

05.04 GNC to Navarino: “Let the helicopter return”.

05.05 Navarino to GNC: “We have lost contact with the helicopter after receiving an emergency signal”.

05.40 GNC to Navarino: “Friendly and enemy units will leave the area”.

05.58 GNC to Navarino: “Our forces and theirs will leave one by one. The Pirpolitis will get the marines and the flag before leaving. You will stay to search the helicopter. Report the crew of the helicopter”.

07.12 GNC to Navarino: “Retrieve the marines and the flag, the other side is doing the same”.
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Postby turkkan » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:53 pm

turkan all the imia turkish commandos are indeed dead.



Boulio, the turkish commandoes all died in the coming months in different accidents- it has been discussed to death on greek defence forums and even the most patriotic have decided not to conclude that greece had anything to do with their deaths. The head of the commandoes who did not participate in the kardak operation, was killed when a group of homeless kids attacked him with knives after walking his gf in the early morning hours after they went clubbing. The killer is currently in jail. The rest died in a helicopter crash that was either an accident or the turkish goverment killed them to keep quiet about whatever black ops operation they were involved in.

What is sure however is that during the the incident of imia 96, a greek helicopter crashed- the official explanation on both sides is mechanical failure.
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Re: Review: Greece's Contributions to Resolving the CyProb .

Postby halil » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:18 pm

Oracle wrote:Since a number of people hold Greece directly responsible for placing Cyprus in the position which led to the Turkish invasion, and concomitant continuing Turkish occupation .... It's only right, to now expect Greece to help regain Freedom for Cyprus.

Let's total up what precisely Greece has done over the last 35 years, and is currently doing, towards a resolution of the CyProb.

.... and perhaps convince Get Real! of how wrong he is:

Get Real! wrote:Those who claim that Cyprus is "Greek" must also be able to answer why Greece can't be stuffed about liberating her... that's the point which seemingly goes over your heads!



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Postby Simon » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:25 pm

turkan, you have posted no link, nor the date. I have it on a good source that the Greeks were on the rock first (on 28th January) but the Turks didn't spot them. The Greek recon mission which you posted was when the Greeks spotted the Turks. This translation seems a bit dodgy to say the least. Whoever landed on the rock first is not that important anyway, the point is, Greece was clearly ready and waiting to defend Imia.
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Postby boulio » Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:27 am

twwo of th commandos dies in car accidents weeks apart.as well.
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