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Re: Cypriots have always been Greek...

Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:59 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Even back in 1821, when Greeks were under Ottoman rule for about 400 years and the Greek nation did not exist, Cypriots still deemed themselves to be Greek or Hellenes...

And Cypriots, whose nation did not exist either, deemed themselves to be something that was yet to be born and belong to someone else 300 miles away?

Fascinating stuff... almost a mythology!


Then why did Cypriots actually join the Filiki Eteria if not for the strong Hellenistic Bonds that united Cypriots with their enslaved Greek Brothers at a time when Greece never even existed or was able to influence the Cypriots on any scale for a period of 400 years?????????
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Postby Oracle » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:10 pm

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Oracle wrote:Cypriots were terrorised by the Ottomans, we have ample evidence. Obviously it was effective in subjugating uprisings. Gawd knows how much more they did, than we are left with in our records!

But let's not underestimate the impact being a British colony had upon Cyprus.

By the 50's Cyprus not only had (1) the might of the British Empire still ruthlessly clinging on to Cyprus; but also (2) GB was joined by one of the most evil "nations" to be allowed to formulate in our neighborhood, and Turkey having sunk its teeth into Cyprus was never going to let go.

Since Greece did not manage to destroy Turkey (what does not kill you makes you stronger), it grew and unleashed its monstrous strength upon our poor Island, and saps us (and the EU) to this day.

So how is the EU going to regain its territory?



Cyprus belongs to Cypriots not the EU.


Cyprus is an integrated part of the EU. Cypriots pay into this institution. Think of it as "protection money"/ insurance. Therefore Cyprus can expect support when it is threatened/under attack -as it is, the whole time the Turkish army continue to occupy Cyprus-EU territory.
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Re: Cypriots have always been Greek...

Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:13 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Even back in 1821, when Greeks were under Ottoman rule for about 400 years and the Greek nation did not exist, Cypriots still deemed themselves to be Greek or Hellenes...

And Cypriots, whose nation did not exist either, deemed themselves to be something that was yet to be born and belong to someone else 300 miles away?

Fascinating stuff... almost a mythology!

Then why did Cypriots actually join the Filiki Eteria if not for the strong Hellenistic Bonds that united Cypriots with their enslaved Greek Brothers at a time when Greece never even existed or was able to influence the Cypriots on any scale for a period of 400 years?????????

There you go people… as soon as a few of your citizens join this Greek “friendly society” (Homosexual society?) you’ll automatically lose 10,000 years of your history! :lol:

That’s how it may have worked in the old days! Luckily, in this day and age, we have the UN which determines what constitutes country…
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Re: Cypriots have always been Greek...

Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:15 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Even back in 1821, when Greeks were under Ottoman rule for about 400 years and the Greek nation did not exist, Cypriots still deemed themselves to be Greek or Hellenes...

And Cypriots, whose nation did not exist either, deemed themselves to be something that was yet to be born and belong to someone else 300 miles away?

Fascinating stuff... almost a mythology!

Then why did Cypriots actually join the Filiki Eteria if not for the strong Hellenistic Bonds that united Cypriots with their enslaved Greek Brothers at a time when Greece never even existed or was able to influence the Cypriots on any scale for a period of 400 years?????????

There you go people… as soon as a few of your citizens join this Greek “friendly society” (Homosexual society?) you’ll automatically lose 10,000 years of your history! :lol:

That’s how it may have worked in the old days! Luckily, in this day and age, we have the UN which determines what constitutes country…


And the UN has also segregated Cypriots into Greek and Turkish...

So what is your point GatTourri!? :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:16 pm

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:Cypriots were terrorised by the Ottomans, we have ample evidence. Obviously it was effective in subjugating uprisings. Gawd knows how much more they did, than we are left with in our records!

But let's not underestimate the impact being a British colony had upon Cyprus.

By the 50's Cyprus not only had (1) the might of the British Empire still ruthlessly clinging on to Cyprus; but also (2) GB was joined by one of the most evil "nations" to be allowed to formulate in our neighborhood, and Turkey having sunk its teeth into Cyprus was never going to let go.

Since Greece did not manage to destroy Turkey (what does not kill you makes you stronger), it grew and unleashed its monstrous strength upon our poor Island, and saps us (and the EU) to this day.

So how is the EU going to regain its territory?



Cyprus belongs to Cypriots not the EU.


Cyprus is an integrated part of the EU. Cypriots pay into this institution. Think of it as "protection money"/ insurance. Therefore Cyprus can expect support when it is threatened/under attack -as it is, the whole time the Turkish army continue to occupy Cyprus-EU territory.



So far they have done ----all. :oops: ( I apologise what you may imagine I might be saying). :?
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Postby Oracle » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:22 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:Cypriots were terrorised by the Ottomans, we have ample evidence. Obviously it was effective in subjugating uprisings. Gawd knows how much more they did, than we are left with in our records!

But let's not underestimate the impact being a British colony had upon Cyprus.

By the 50's Cyprus not only had (1) the might of the British Empire still ruthlessly clinging on to Cyprus; but also (2) GB was joined by one of the most evil "nations" to be allowed to formulate in our neighborhood, and Turkey having sunk its teeth into Cyprus was never going to let go.

Since Greece did not manage to destroy Turkey (what does not kill you makes you stronger), it grew and unleashed its monstrous strength upon our poor Island, and saps us (and the EU) to this day.

So how is the EU going to regain its territory?



Cyprus belongs to Cypriots not the EU.


Cyprus is an integrated part of the EU. Cypriots pay into this institution. Think of it as "protection money"/ insurance. Therefore Cyprus can expect support when it is threatened/under attack -as it is, the whole time the Turkish army continue to occupy Cyprus-EU territory.



So far they have done ----all. :oops: ( I apologise what you may imagine I might be saying). :?


It always takes time .... but we are getting there, by peaceful means so far!
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Postby YFred » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:23 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:Cypriots were terrorised by the Ottomans, we have ample evidence. Obviously it was effective in subjugating uprisings. Gawd knows how much more they did, than we are left with in our records!

But let's not underestimate the impact being a British colony had upon Cyprus.

By the 50's Cyprus not only had (1) the might of the British Empire still ruthlessly clinging on to Cyprus; but also (2) GB was joined by one of the most evil "nations" to be allowed to formulate in our neighborhood, and Turkey having sunk its teeth into Cyprus was never going to let go.

Since Greece did not manage to destroy Turkey (what does not kill you makes you stronger), it grew and unleashed its monstrous strength upon our poor Island, and saps us (and the EU) to this day.

So how is the EU going to regain its territory?



Cyprus belongs to Cypriots not the EU.


Cyprus is an integrated part of the EU. Cypriots pay into this institution. Think of it as "protection money"/ insurance. Therefore Cyprus can expect support when it is threatened/under attack -as it is, the whole time the Turkish army continue to occupy Cyprus-EU territory.



So far they have done ----all. :oops: ( I apologise what you may imagine I might be saying). :?

It’s a little bit like a cancer patient joining BUPA and expecting it to cover all the costs of the treatment. All agreements have a legacy exclusion provision; it only covers for the future not the past. If you wanted to include that in your insurance cover, you wouldn't be able to afford the insurance.

When will the GC stop thinking that someone else is going to solve the Cyprus problem and start negotiating in good faith.

And they will continue to do effing all.
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Re: Cypriots have always been Greek...

Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:25 pm

Paphitis wrote:And the UN has also segregated Cypriots into Greek and Turkish...

So what is your point GatTourri!? :lol:

The UN segregated Cypriots? You haven't eaten your cornflakes today Paphitis because you've been posting total crap throughout the day…

If you're referring to 1964, the UN was INVITED by Cyprus to come sit in between PRE-SEGREGATED clash-lines.

RESOLUTION 186 (1964)

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr186.htm
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Re: Cypriots have always been Greek...

Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:29 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:And the UN has also segregated Cypriots into Greek and Turkish...

So what is your point GatTourri!? :lol:

The UN segregated Cypriots? You haven't eaten your cornflakes today Paphitis because you've been posting total crap throughout the day…

If you're referring to 1964, the UN was INVITED by Cyprus to come sit in between PRE-SEGREGATED clash-lines.

RESOLUTION 186 (1964)

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr186.htm


Can you please explain why a UN mediator is Chair of the current peace process between Greeks and Turks in Cyprus?????????? :lol:
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Re: Cypriots have always been Greek...

Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:33 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:And the UN has also segregated Cypriots into Greek and Turkish...

So what is your point GatTourri!? :lol:

The UN segregated Cypriots? You haven't eaten your cornflakes today Paphitis because you've been posting total crap throughout the day…

If you're referring to 1964, the UN was INVITED by Cyprus to come sit in between PRE-SEGREGATED clash-lines.

RESOLUTION 186 (1964)

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr186.htm

Can you please explain why a UN mediator is Chair of the current peace process between Greeks and Turks in Cyprus?????????? :lol:

Gee... I don't know! Why don't you tell us? 8)
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