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[Byron]

You can not say "I told you so" because what you said was that another song in the Cyprus contest was better and this is something which can not be proved or disproved with the result today. I also said that I liked another song better. So what? Should I say "I told you so" too?

Read back I gave you a full evaluation and predicted she wouldnt make it through to the finals.

Half the countries didn't. It always depends on how good the other songs will be. After I heard the songs today I knew we wouldn't pass. I don't remember any of us arguing that out song would pass to the final for sure. We just said that this song was better than the other one you supported.

Forget the bloody song its the principle, in a united Cyprus we Tcs would not get a chnace to compete...you cant be that ignorant to understand, GCs will never vote for a TC singer to represent a united Cyprus, if they do that even at these events just think what we face in more serious cases.

The Cypriot announcer said "And finally douze points to GREECE, BRAVO SAKIS , she said !!! all live on EUROVISION, hey miltiades and Cypriot,
were you watching, so much for the end of hellenism in Cyprus; and ZERO points from Cyprus to Turkey and ZERO points from Turkey to GREECE !!!!
No how do you expect us to solve our problems when we can't even socialise ?

[The Cypriot]

The Cypriot announcer said "And finally douze points to GREECE, BRAVO SAKIS , she said !!! all live on EUROVISION, hey miltiades and Cypriot,
were you watching, so much for the end of hellenism in Cyprus; and ZERO points from Cyprus to Turkey and ZERO points from Turkey to GREECE !!!!
No how do you expect us to solve our problems when we can't even socialise ?

And you were lapping it up like a rabid dog, presumably? Like VP would have done.... How's it going between you two, by the way? You've got so much in common. It's like a match made in heaven.

[Kifeas]

You can not say "I told you so" because what you said was that another song in the Cyprus contest was better and this is something which can not be proved or disproved with the result today. I also said that I liked another song better. So what? Should I say "I told you so" too?

Read back I gave you a full evaluation and predicted she wouldnt make it through to the finals.

Half the countries didn't. It always depends on how good the other songs will be. After I heard the songs today I knew we wouldn't pass. I don't remember any of us arguing that out song would pass to the final for sure. We just said that this song was better than the other one you supported.

Forget the bloody song its the principle, in a united Cyprus we Tcs would not get a chnace to compete...you cant be that ignorant to understand, GCs will never vote for a TC singer to represent a united Cyprus, if they do that even at these events just think what we face in more serious cases.

The Cypriot announcer said "And finally douze points to GREECE, BRAVO SAKIS , she said !!! all live on EUROVISION, hey miltiades and Cypriot,
were you watching, so much for the end of hellenism in Cyprus; and ZERO points from Cyprus to Turkey and ZERO points from Turkey to GREECE !!!!
No how do you expect us to solve our problems when we can't even socialise ?

Really Byron, really!!! Are you being a bad boy again, Byron? Bad boy?
You forgot already, bad boy Byron, that the first and the last time Turkey won the Eurovision, in 2003, it was a pseudo victory for the 7 points she was put ahead the second winner, were 7 fake points from a non-recognized entity, the RoCyprus? You forgot this, bad boy? You forgot that Turkey got 7 non-recognized and thus non-existing votes from a "non-recognized" and a "non-existing" RoCyprus, and that is how on paper she won a fake victory in the "competition;" and that your mama Turka never reciprocated those votes because she considered them as "pseudo-votes," but not her victory as such?
Oh what a bad boy you are, Byron! Such a bad boy, Byron, and pepper you need on your lips and tongue! Bad boy, Byron!!!

Shame you also carry Lord Byron’s name!

[Lit]

You can not say "I told you so" because what you said was that another song in the Cyprus contest was better and this is something which can not be proved or disproved with the result today. I also said that I liked another song better. So what? Should I say "I told you so" too?

Read back I gave you a full evaluation and predicted she wouldnt make it through to the finals.

Half the countries didn't. It always depends on how good the other songs will be. After I heard the songs today I knew we wouldn't pass. I don't remember any of us arguing that out song would pass to the final for sure. We just said that this song was better than the other one you supported.

Forget the bloody song its the principle, in a united Cyprus we Tcs would not get a chnace to compete...you cant be that ignorant to understand, GCs will never vote for a TC singer to represent a united Cyprus, if they do that even at these events just think what we face in more serious cases.

The Cypriot announcer said "And finally douze points to GREECE, BRAVO SAKIS , she said !!! all live on EUROVISION, hey miltiades and Cypriot,
were you watching, so much for the end of hellenism in Cyprus; and ZERO points from Cyprus to Turkey and ZERO points from Turkey to GREECE !!!!
No how do you expect us to solve our problems when we can't even socialise ?

So what? Cyprus also gave a large number of points to Azerbaijan. Greece was one of the top seven as were the Azeris. Who did Turkey give the points to....Albania, Bosnia, and the Azeris? Didnt Albania place 17th position? LOL It seems you cant get points from Turkey if your not part of the mullah club? Take a hike.

[Lit]

Lets take a look at how Cyprus and Turkey voted in the Eurovision.

Now please correct me if i am wrong, but this is what i recall from last night.


Cyprus gave 12 points to Greece (finished 7th), 10 points to Norway (finished 1st), and 8 points to Azerbaijan (which finished 3rd)

OK so now lets see how Turkey voted:


Turkey gave 12 points to Azerbaijan (finished 3rd), 10 points to Albania (finished 17th), and 8 points to Bosnia...i dont recall what position Bosnia finished at.

So there you have it.

[Viewpoint]

Also, out of the untalented pool of entrants, the young GC singer was the best, but she along with all the other entrants are no musicians or entertainers of any note.

The RIK Eurovision committee lacks the funds to be able to entice a real star. Other countries like Greece spend millions on Eurovision, but I have no idea why.

Advertising and the revenue such a win will bring to a country is why countires take it seriously, plus a little national pride.

Maybe the TC and GC musicians like the UK (5th after years of coming last) should take it seriously and work hard at finding the right combination to get a result, its a great showcase for a country to promote and show itself maybe our division is why other countries do not take you guys seriously and bother to vote for a song which is embroiled in discrimination and biased mindset.

No VP. I insist. the TCs can have a go all on their own.

The only group that actually made a name for themselves from Eurovision, was Sweden's Abba. I am talking internationally here.

Elena Paparizou is also doing OK.

I mean no one takes this competition seriously. It has become a big joke. The voting is along preexisting alliances. The Greek and Cypriot alliance is absolutely nothing compared to the Turkish Black Sea alliance or the Nordic, Baltic, and Slavic alliances.

Eurovision offers very little. It is just a bright light manufactured showcase of poor and unknown musicians and that would not attract much advertising or is even remotely entertaining unless you like the comedy...

Have you heard of:

Celine Dion Cliff Richard Lulu or Tatu...even this year a big star like Patricia Kass competed so you cannot say it does not have variety and with over 350 million viewers I dont they are to concerned what you think. Its a success whether you like it or not did you see the technical detail this year 1000 sq footage of stage and 20.000 live audience so its nothing to turn your nose up in terms or international exposure and benefit if you should happen to win, which the GC state at this rate will never do. Why dont the GCs pull out if they feel it is not worth while or if they feel they do not have the talent. It was not long ago that a GC from the UK did very well.

this only proves one thing - That I am not too interested in Eurovision and don't pay enough attention to it.....

There are many GC singers with the potential of wining the competition outright. but the endorsements that RIK offer are not enticing enough to attract our big stars such as Anna Vissi for example.

Thats how much you know Anna Vissi has entered a few times, so why do make comments about something you know nothing about? and tray and run it into the ground because the GCs dont win.

[Viewpoint]

Please dont compare GCs with Americans, they are not in the same league and GCs are far more racist and biased, Americans have matured politically far far more than GCs due to thir educational system and ethnic diversity.

You spent almost a year telling us before the Nov 4, 2008 US elections on how racist the Americans were and that NO way would they ever elect a Black Man as their President.

Then just imagine how bad the GCs are in comparison.

How racist can we be when all TCs rely on the RoC for IDs, passports and health care? We are a caring and forgiving lot, you know that...

Who are we speaking to tonight?

Is it Mr. VP or Ms. VP?

Take them away...how will you then claim you represent the whole island when you discriminate? Nothing is as it looks, you benefit from providing these services which are a drop in the ocean when compared to the benefits you reep from exploiting sole recognition.

[Viewpoint]

Please dont compare GCs with Americans, they are not in the same league and GCs are far more racist and biased,

If true, this bias is true of Cypriots on both sides of the current divide.

Americans have matured politically far far more than GCs due to thir educational system and ethnic diversity.

And due to the lack of foreign interference and military intervention.

You have to look towards yourself for the answers, the guarantor only intervened because of the actions of GCs,

because of the actions of fascists. Don't include me. Don't lump me with them. That's what bigots do. I don't make excuses for fascists whichever side they think they come from. You do that.

lets not go over old groud again but it appears to me you are passing the buck all the time and making excuses so as to avoid addressing the GCs racists and biased stance especially against TCs.

I'm addressing bigoted attititudes and bias whichever side it comes from because either way it's destructive. This isn't an argument between GCs and TCs, this is an argument between bigots and non-bigots. What side are you on?

You are obviously trying to divert from the issue that is GCs will never choose a TC to represent a united Cyprus.

I doubt they will while it's divided.

They have proven this over the whole time they have one sidedly participted in this competition, like it or not your are a GC and therefore not a TC who is being discrminated against.

DON'T TELL ME WHAT I AM! Don't label me. That's what bigots do.

Bigots are rampant on both sides of the divide

You're one of them. If you want things to change... change.

the only difference is they are more in numbers in the south and better orchastrated be it the state or the church, thats why GC would rather die than seee a TC represent a united Cyprus.

Cyprus isn't united. That's why there is bigotry.

You are what you are you cannot get rid of labels just becausw you do not like them, you are a GC and therefore on the other side of the divide to us as for being united the bigotory you state will still exsist thats what Im trying to highlight and recommend we address by having in place safeguards and guarantees that will both communites an equal opporunity to participate in such events closing the dorr on the bigotory GCscan so easily utilize too their advantage at every turn if given a free hand to do what ever they wish.

[Viewpoint]

No VP. I insist. the TCs can have a go all on their own.

The only group that actually made a name for themselves from Eurovision, was Sweden's Abba. I am talking internationally here.

Elena Paparizou is also doing OK.

I mean no one takes this competition seriously. It has become a big joke. The voting is along preexisting alliances. The Greek and Cypriot alliance is absolutely nothing compared to the Turkish Black Sea alliance or the Nordic, Baltic, and Slavic alliances.

Eurovision offers very little. It is just a bright light manufactured showcase of poor and unknown musicians and that would not attract much advertising or is even remotely entertaining unless you like the comedy...

Have you heard of:

Celine Dion Cliff Richard Lulu or Tatu...even this year a big star like Patricia Kass competed so you cannot say it does not have variety and with over 350 million viewers I dont they are to concerned what you think. Its a success whether you like it or not did you see the technical detail this year 1000 sq footage of stage and 20.000 live audience so its nothing to turn your nose up in terms or international exposure and benefit if you should happen to win, which the GC state at this rate will never do. Why dont the GCs pull out if they feel it is not worth while or if they feel they do not have the talent. It was not long ago that a GC from the UK did very well.

Celine Dion is a Canadian and was already an accomplished singer before she sung for Switzerland and is not even Swiss, but the song writer was. She made it on her own and the Euro-No-Vision did not have anything to do with her immense success. Cliff Richards and Lulu were also accomplished British home base singers before they went to the Euro-No-Vision, and they remained British home base and did not make it International, therefore they too did not benefit from this "contest". ABBA is perhaps the best results the Euro-No-Vision ever produced by propelling a very talented group onto the international stage, just because it was the 70's, they were new and original. But hey, even a broken clock gives the correct time twice a day.!

Rubbish Celine Dion was an unknown in 1988 that shows how much you know plus we were talking about no one of real importance every competing thank you proving me right that stars like Patricia Kass Tatu Anna Vissi do take the competition seriously as do millions as a great opportunity for Europe to unite using music to have fun and see the diversity of acts throught EU and now beyond.

What the real issue is the risk we TCs would face in a united Cyprus where the potential voting pool is so biased they would never allow a TC to represent a united Cyprus in such areas.

[Viewpoint]

You can not say "I told you so" because what you said was that another song in the Cyprus contest was better and this is something which can not be proved or disproved with the result today. I also said that I liked another song better. So what? Should I say "I told you so" too?

Read back I gave you a full evaluation and predicted she wouldnt make it through to the finals.

Half the countries didn't. It always depends on how good the other songs will be. After I heard the songs today I knew we wouldn't pass. I don't remember any of us arguing that out song would pass to the final for sure. We just said that this song was better than the other one you supported.

Forget the bloody song its the principle, in a united Cyprus we Tcs would not get a chnace to compete...you cant be that ignorant to understand, GCs will never vote for a TC singer to represent a united Cyprus, if they do that even at these events just think what we face in more serious cases.

The Cypriot announcer said "And finally douze points to GREECE, BRAVO SAKIS , she said !!! all live on EUROVISION, hey miltiades and Cypriot,
were you watching, so much for the end of hellenism in Cyprus; and ZERO points from Cyprus to Turkey and ZERO points from Turkey to GREECE !!!!
No how do you expect us to solve our problems when we can't even socialise ?

The whole of the EU boos and hisses and the GCs and Greeks think its raining.....they are the laughing stock of the contest.