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[denizaksulu]

http://www.euronews.net/2009/03/30abdullah-gul-we-will-fight-pkk-to-the-death/

Thank you.

The translation says, 'there is no immigratio....'. Is that the present tense?

I suppose all those strangely attired people are from Pluto. Someone should inform him of the truth.

Deniz; "settlers" from Turkey is the inevitable consequence of being an unrecognized entity in North. In the begining of the British Rule TCs constituted 1/3 of Cyprus population. From the begining of the British rule until 1974 too many TCs emigrated to other countries, besides the Cyprus problem negatively affected the birth rate, economic, social and psychological conditions of TCs.

Afterwards 1974, the continuation of the Cyprus problem and it's side effects on TC life forced more TCs to emigrate abroad. The remaining TCs in Cyprus needed a labour force in agricultural area and later in construction field to develop an economy that would stand on it's own feet and feed both TCs and all other inhabitants living in North.

Had TRNC or TFSoC or under any name TC administration been a recognized entity we would have not need labour force or a consuming population from Turkey. All TCs would have stayed in Cyprus and most probably those who emigrated from Cyprus to abroad would have returned with their families and investment plans...

The economic contribution of the "settlers", students mainly from Turkey, Turkish troops and tourists mainly from Turkey has always been an sagnificant element for our economy in North.

Vast majority of "settlers" were granted citizenships according to the relevant laws of TRNC. Due to small size of TC population, the gradual increase of the numbers of "settlers", either by migration or breeding can be considered as "settlers" outnumber TCs but in reality the situation is not like that.

The GC properties they occupy and use is completely a different issue and can be discussed...

Thanks for the lecture Insan.

Are you sure of what you say is 100% true and has nothing to do with the Turkish goverments troubles in the east of the country? They had to relocate thousands of Kurdish villagers from the hundreds of Kurdish villages which were cleared(from the war zone). What better place to resettle them than the unoccupied homes of the GCs. Please do not tell me that I am wrong, otherwise I will doubt my own sanity.

Regards

Sorry Deniz but I've never heard or read something regarding the Kurdification of TRNC by Turkey. The first phase of settlers who arrived from 1975-80 and were distrubuted GC properties temporarily(Later in 1987 permenantly) were mainly from Black Sea and SE Anatolia regions. It is true that there were many Kurdish origin families among them but I've never heard or read anywhere that they were relocated people from Turkey. Have u any credible sources regarding this issue?

As for the second phase of settlers that is directly related with construction boom in TRNC, they were overwhelmingly from Hatay and Adana which their othnic origins r mainly Arabic. The second phase of settlers weren't granted any GC properties because none had left in th early 90s. They all had to settle down to inner walls of Nicosia that was abandoned by TCs and rented to those settlers.

As for whether my intention was a lecture or not; haşa abimizsing sen bizim.

Are you now turning into a TC GR? What credible evidence do you want. I came across 20 of them in the fields in 1975. They were mostly women.( I went there to find out where my relatives were). These people were in their traditonal attire and distinct head dress. They were not talking Turkish or Arabic. I tried to talk to them and they ran away. It was near Dikomo. I met some TCs and they warned me off. Especially as I tried to talk to the women. They told me they were Kurds (as if I did not know).

This is my testimony. My credible evidence. What else can I say. As to the villages they left behind, everyone knows what happened in eastern Turkey.

From 1975 until 1983 I was living in Değirmenlik. The Turks from Black Sea region were accomadated in the properties at the upper side of Değirmenlik that most of the GC houses left behind were made of adobe and partly damaged. Kurdish origin Turks were accomadated in the GC houses towards the middle eastern of the village. Those GC houses were also made of adobe, partly damaged or used by TCs as dairy.

I too witnessed that Kurdish origin Turks could not talk Turkish properly. It was too hard to understand them but Black Sea origin Lazuri Turks could talk more proper than Kurds.

The TC youngsters and kids of village, including me had so many problems with the youngsters and kids of both Black Sea Turks and Kurdish Turks. So many times we fought and clapperclawed each other for a long time until we got integrated by natural evolution.

I made a google search and didn't come across anything related relocated Kurds between 1975-80 era.

Perhaps you need to delve deeper. The family maid and her husband a gardener were my first source. I doubt Turkey would give it much publicity. But then Why would Turkey go to the trouble and move these people to Cyprus. Your explanation may be partially true but can not account for all the cases.

Come to think of it, my encounter was between Dikomo and Kythrea (Degirmenlik).

I have no idea whether the many Kurdish speakers now living in the north of Cyprus went there because they were displaced from their own villages as a result of military action or were simply economic migrants. I can tell you that a couple of months ago I was in an internet cafe in the walled section of north Nicosia. This internet cafe was full of children aged about 8-14. I have a smattering of Kurmanji Kurdish, enough to know that this was the language all of these kids were speaking. I noted that, while a lot of these children were playing games, some of them were using the internet as a resource for schoolwork. I was also impressed by how well behaved and disciplined these childern were. There is a universal phenomenon whereby the second generation of immigrant families are spurred on by the discrimination suffered by their parents to do well at school and succeed. I would watch out for these people in a few decades time. I predict that some of them will rise to prominence.

I am sure you are right Tim. I have nothing against anyone. I was just adding to Insan post, that many of the Kurds were made to leave the war zones in SE Turkey. The relevant goverments would dress it up as anything but. The Kurds living in my family household (Kyrenia) are very nice people and are trusted more than anyone else. Hardworking to boot.

[Tim Drayton]

http://www.euronews.net/2009/03/30abdullah-gul-we-will-fight-pkk-to-the-death/

Thank you.

The translation says, 'there is no immigratio....'. Is that the present tense?

I suppose all those strangely attired people are from Pluto. Someone should inform him of the truth.

Deniz; "settlers" from Turkey is the inevitable consequence of being an unrecognized entity in North. In the begining of the British Rule TCs constituted 1/3 of Cyprus population. From the begining of the British rule until 1974 too many TCs emigrated to other countries, besides the Cyprus problem negatively affected the birth rate, economic, social and psychological conditions of TCs.

Afterwards 1974, the continuation of the Cyprus problem and it's side effects on TC life forced more TCs to emigrate abroad. The remaining TCs in Cyprus needed a labour force in agricultural area and later in construction field to develop an economy that would stand on it's own feet and feed both TCs and all other inhabitants living in North.

Had TRNC or TFSoC or under any name TC administration been a recognized entity we would have not need labour force or a consuming population from Turkey. All TCs would have stayed in Cyprus and most probably those who emigrated from Cyprus to abroad would have returned with their families and investment plans...

The economic contribution of the "settlers", students mainly from Turkey, Turkish troops and tourists mainly from Turkey has always been an sagnificant element for our economy in North.

Vast majority of "settlers" were granted citizenships according to the relevant laws of TRNC. Due to small size of TC population, the gradual increase of the numbers of "settlers", either by migration or breeding can be considered as "settlers" outnumber TCs but in reality the situation is not like that.

The GC properties they occupy and use is completely a different issue and can be discussed...

Thanks for the lecture Insan.

Are you sure of what you say is 100% true and has nothing to do with the Turkish goverments troubles in the east of the country? They had to relocate thousands of Kurdish villagers from the hundreds of Kurdish villages which were cleared(from the war zone). What better place to resettle them than the unoccupied homes of the GCs. Please do not tell me that I am wrong, otherwise I will doubt my own sanity.

Regards

Sorry Deniz but I've never heard or read something regarding the Kurdification of TRNC by Turkey. The first phase of settlers who arrived from 1975-80 and were distrubuted GC properties temporarily(Later in 1987 permenantly) were mainly from Black Sea and SE Anatolia regions. It is true that there were many Kurdish origin families among them but I've never heard or read anywhere that they were relocated people from Turkey. Have u any credible sources regarding this issue?

As for the second phase of settlers that is directly related with construction boom in TRNC, they were overwhelmingly from Hatay and Adana which their othnic origins r mainly Arabic. The second phase of settlers weren't granted any GC properties because none had left in th early 90s. They all had to settle down to inner walls of Nicosia that was abandoned by TCs and rented to those settlers.

As for whether my intention was a lecture or not; haşa abimizsing sen bizim.

Are you now turning into a TC GR? What credible evidence do you want. I came across 20 of them in the fields in 1975. They were mostly women.( I went there to find out where my relatives were). These people were in their traditonal attire and distinct head dress. They were not talking Turkish or Arabic. I tried to talk to them and they ran away. It was near Dikomo. I met some TCs and they warned me off. Especially as I tried to talk to the women. They told me they were Kurds (as if I did not know).

This is my testimony. My credible evidence. What else can I say. As to the villages they left behind, everyone knows what happened in eastern Turkey.

From 1975 until 1983 I was living in Değirmenlik. The Turks from Black Sea region were accomadated in the properties at the upper side of Değirmenlik that most of the GC houses left behind were made of adobe and partly damaged. Kurdish origin Turks were accomadated in the GC houses towards the middle eastern of the village. Those GC houses were also made of adobe, partly damaged or used by TCs as dairy.

I too witnessed that Kurdish origin Turks could not talk Turkish properly. It was too hard to understand them but Black Sea origin Lazuri Turks could talk more proper than Kurds.

The TC youngsters and kids of village, including me had so many problems with the youngsters and kids of both Black Sea Turks and Kurdish Turks. So many times we fought and clapperclawed each other for a long time until we got integrated by natural evolution.

I made a google search and didn't come across anything related relocated Kurds between 1975-80 era.

Perhaps you need to delve deeper. The family maid and her husband a gardener were my first source. I doubt Turkey would give it much publicity. But then Why would Turkey go to the trouble and move these people to Cyprus. Your explanation may be partially true but can not account for all the cases.

Come to think of it, my encounter was between Dikomo and Kythrea (Degirmenlik).

I have no idea whether the many Kurdish speakers now living in the north of Cyprus went there because they were displaced from their own villages as a result of military action or were simply economic migrants. I can tell you that a couple of months ago I was in an internet cafe in the walled section of north Nicosia. This internet cafe was full of children aged about 8-14. I have a smattering of Kurmanji Kurdish, enough to know that this was the language all of these kids were speaking. I noted that, while a lot of these children were playing games, some of them were using the internet as a resource for schoolwork. I was also impressed by how well behaved and disciplined these childern were. There is a universal phenomenon whereby the second generation of immigrant families are spurred on by the discrimination suffered by their parents to do well at school and succeed. I would watch out for these people in a few decades time. I predict that some of them will rise to prominence.

I am sure you are right Tim. I have nothing against anyone. I was just adding to Insan post, that many of the Kurds were made to leave the war zones in SE Turkey. The relevant goverments would dress it up as anything but. The Kurds living in my family household (Kyrenia) are very nice people and are trusted more than anyone else. Hardworking to boot.

I am not attacking you at all. I am simply adding my own observation. I think, unless there is a solution soon, we will gradually witness the emergence of a very different society in the north of Cyprus.

[Kikapu]

I am not attacking you at all. I am simply adding my own observation. I think, unless there is a solution soon, we will gradually witness the emergence of a very different society in the north of Cyprus.

Yes Tim, it is called Ethnic and Cultural Genocide of the TC's by those who came to save them from the GC's, and the sad part in all this is, that the TC's are active participants in their own extinction.!

[Tim Drayton]

I am not attacking you at all. I am simply adding my own observation. I think, unless there is a solution soon, we will gradually witness the emergence of a very different society in the north of Cyprus.

Yes Tim, it is called Ethnic and Cultural Genocide of the TC's by those who came to save them from the GC's, and the sad part in all this is, that the TC's are active participants in their own extinction.!

It would be ironic, though, if one day a political movement started for the inclusion of north Cyprus within Kurdistan (or Lazistan)!

[Kikapu]

I am not attacking you at all. I am simply adding my own observation. I think, unless there is a solution soon, we will gradually witness the emergence of a very different society in the north of Cyprus.

Yes Tim, it is called Ethnic and Cultural Genocide of the TC's by those who came to save them from the GC's, and the sad part in all this is, that the TC's are active participants in their own extinction.!

It would be ironic, though, if one day a political movement started for the inclusion of north Cyprus within Kurdistan (or Lazistan)!

Or Kurdistan within Cyprus as a EU member.!

That would piss off Turkey BIG time I would say, that the Kurds beat them to the EU first.!

[denizaksulu]

I am not attacking you at all. I am simply adding my own observation. I think, unless there is a solution soon, we will gradually witness the emergence of a very different society in the north of Cyprus.

Yes Tim, it is called Ethnic and Cultural Genocide of the TC's by those who came to save them from the GC's, and the sad part in all this is, that the TC's are active participants in their own extinction.!

It would be ironic, though, if one day a political movement started for the inclusion of north Cyprus within Kurdistan (or Lazistan)!

I wish I never mentioned the Kurds of Cyprus.

[denizaksulu]

http://www.euronews.net/2009/03/30abdullah-gul-we-will-fight-pkk-to-the-death/

Thank you.

The translation says, 'there is no immigratio....'. Is that the present tense?

I suppose all those strangely attired people are from Pluto. Someone should inform him of the truth.

Deniz; "settlers" from Turkey is the inevitable consequence of being an unrecognized entity in North. In the begining of the British Rule TCs constituted 1/3 of Cyprus population. From the begining of the British rule until 1974 too many TCs emigrated to other countries, besides the Cyprus problem negatively affected the birth rate, economic, social and psychological conditions of TCs.

Afterwards 1974, the continuation of the Cyprus problem and it's side effects on TC life forced more TCs to emigrate abroad. The remaining TCs in Cyprus needed a labour force in agricultural area and later in construction field to develop an economy that would stand on it's own feet and feed both TCs and all other inhabitants living in North.

Had TRNC or TFSoC or under any name TC administration been a recognized entity we would have not need labour force or a consuming population from Turkey. All TCs would have stayed in Cyprus and most probably those who emigrated from Cyprus to abroad would have returned with their families and investment plans...

The economic contribution of the "settlers", students mainly from Turkey, Turkish troops and tourists mainly from Turkey has always been an sagnificant element for our economy in North.

Vast majority of "settlers" were granted citizenships according to the relevant laws of TRNC. Due to small size of TC population, the gradual increase of the numbers of "settlers", either by migration or breeding can be considered as "settlers" outnumber TCs but in reality the situation is not like that.

The GC properties they occupy and use is completely a different issue and can be discussed...

Thanks for the lecture Insan.

Are you sure of what you say is 100% true and has nothing to do with the Turkish goverments troubles in the east of the country? They had to relocate thousands of Kurdish villagers from the hundreds of Kurdish villages which were cleared(from the war zone). What better place to resettle them than the unoccupied homes of the GCs. Please do not tell me that I am wrong, otherwise I will doubt my own sanity.

Regards

Sorry Deniz but I've never heard or read something regarding the Kurdification of TRNC by Turkey. The first phase of settlers who arrived from 1975-80 and were distrubuted GC properties temporarily(Later in 1987 permenantly) were mainly from Black Sea and SE Anatolia regions. It is true that there were many Kurdish origin families among them but I've never heard or read anywhere that they were relocated people from Turkey. Have u any credible sources regarding this issue?

As for the second phase of settlers that is directly related with construction boom in TRNC, they were overwhelmingly from Hatay and Adana which their othnic origins r mainly Arabic. The second phase of settlers weren't granted any GC properties because none had left in th early 90s. They all had to settle down to inner walls of Nicosia that was abandoned by TCs and rented to those settlers.

As for whether my intention was a lecture or not; haşa abimizsing sen bizim.

Are you now turning into a TC GR? What credible evidence do you want. I came across 20 of them in the fields in 1975. They were mostly women.( I went there to find out where my relatives were). These people were in their traditonal attire and distinct head dress. They were not talking Turkish or Arabic. I tried to talk to them and they ran away. It was near Dikomo. I met some TCs and they warned me off. Especially as I tried to talk to the women. They told me they were Kurds (as if I did not know).

This is my testimony. My credible evidence. What else can I say. As to the villages they left behind, everyone knows what happened in eastern Turkey.

From 1975 until 1983 I was living in Değirmenlik. The Turks from Black Sea region were accomadated in the properties at the upper side of Değirmenlik that most of the GC houses left behind were made of adobe and partly damaged. Kurdish origin Turks were accomadated in the GC houses towards the middle eastern of the village. Those GC houses were also made of adobe, partly damaged or used by TCs as dairy.

I too witnessed that Kurdish origin Turks could not talk Turkish properly. It was too hard to understand them but Black Sea origin Lazuri Turks could talk more proper than Kurds.

The TC youngsters and kids of village, including me had so many problems with the youngsters and kids of both Black Sea Turks and Kurdish Turks. So many times we fought and clapperclawed each other for a long time until we got integrated by natural evolution.

I made a google search and didn't come across anything related relocated Kurds between 1975-80 era.

Perhaps you need to delve deeper. The family maid and her husband a gardener were my first source. I doubt Turkey would give it much publicity. But then Why would Turkey go to the trouble and move these people to Cyprus. Your explanation may be partially true but can not account for all the cases.

Come to think of it, my encounter was between Dikomo and Kythrea (Degirmenlik).

I have no idea whether the many Kurdish speakers now living in the north of Cyprus went there because they were displaced from their own villages as a result of military action or were simply economic migrants. I can tell you that a couple of months ago I was in an internet cafe in the walled section of north Nicosia. This internet cafe was full of children aged about 8-14. I have a smattering of Kurmanji Kurdish, enough to know that this was the language all of these kids were speaking. I noted that, while a lot of these children were playing games, some of them were using the internet as a resource for schoolwork. I was also impressed by how well behaved and disciplined these childern were. There is a universal phenomenon whereby the second generation of immigrant families are spurred on by the discrimination suffered by their parents to do well at school and succeed. I would watch out for these people in a few decades time. I predict that some of them will rise to prominence.

I am sure you are right Tim. I have nothing against anyone. I was just adding to Insan post, that many of the Kurds were made to leave the war zones in SE Turkey. The relevant goverments would dress it up as anything but. The Kurds living in my family household (Kyrenia) are very nice people and are trusted more than anyone else. Hardworking to boot.

I am not attacking you at all. I am simply adding my own observation. I think, unless there is a solution soon, we will gradually witness the emergence of a very different society in the north of Cyprus.

Me, attack? Never. I agree on your last sentence too. The metemorphoses is already taking place. We are currently at the 'Chrysalis' stage.(or is it Kurdalis?)

[insan]

No matter what ethnic origins the people settled down to North have; vast majority of them entirely or partly absorbed TC culture and way of life. They all contributed the development of an economy in North. As far as I observed middle-aged and elder class TCs almost had no problems with the first phase of the settlers. TC farmers employed them in their farms.

Because they were all peasants, normally they couldn't contribute much to TC culture. There was some negatives they injected in our lives too. First of all they greatly enlarged our swearwords. For example the smooth and kind sounding, meaning of TC word "Olan" became "Lan" or "Ulan"

Any other negative effects of first phase of "settlers" on TCs? Anyone remeber?