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[Simon]

Who else but FYROM and its supporters quote it as genuine fact?

Precisely. So it is crap.

So the world and its experts are wrong, and the FYROM with a few dissenting voices are right?

The incurable one is you mate who actually believes he descended from a few thousand Bronze Age Cypriots, with all the population settlements and assimilations that have occurred in Cyprus since.

[insan]

2000 + years under foreign rule,invasions and u still naively believe that u r direct descendants of Ancient Greeks. 2000+ years 25 generations? Accept it that Greeks of Greece r very mixed blood of Greco-Romano-Slavo-Turco descendants. There's nothing to be embarassed with it.

Many TCs on this forum including myself r aware of the fact that neither Turks of Turkey nor Turks of Cyprus r direct descendants of Turks. We too have very mixed blood ancestors.

[Simon]

I have never said that I am the direct descendant of the ancient Greeks. I know that there must have been some divergencies of various degrees. Hellenism was never just based on ethnicity as I stated earlier, but language, culture, ideology etc. However, the evidence Oracle cites, and which I produced earlier in this thread, does show a great similarity between today's Greeks and those of ancient times. Clearly, all traces of the ancient Greeks who spread out so far and wide would not have been lost. But of course almost all races/ethnicities are mixed, I don't think anybody was suggesting otherwise.

[yialousa1971]

GR,

Have you read what evidence has been posted against you in this thread? Obviously not. Very little (if any) has been written by Greeks. How about these:

A. R. Burn, Alexander the Great and the Hellenistic Empire, Macmillan, 1948; George Cawkwell, Philip of Macedon, Faber & Faber, London, 1978; Francois Chamoux, Hellenistic Civilization, Blackwell Publishing Professional, 2002; Victor Ehrenberg, The Greek State, Methuen, (July 2000); Malcolm Errington, A History of Macedonia, University of California Press, February 1993; Alan Fildes and Joann Fletcher, Alexander the Great: Son of the Gods, Getty Trust Publications, J. Paul Getty Museum, 2004; John V.A. Fine, The Ancient Greeks: A Critical History, Harvard University Press, 1983; Robin Lane Fox, Alexander the Great; Jonathan M. Hall, Ethnic Identity in Greek Antiquity, Cambridge University Press, 1998; N G L Hammond, A History of Greece to 323 BC, Cambridge University, 1986; Archer Jones, The Art of War in Western World (University of Illinois Press, 2000); Robin Osborne, Greek History, Routledge, 2004; Jacques Pirenne, The Tides of History Vol. 1, E. P. Dutton, 1962; Michael M. Sage, Warfare in Ancient Greece, Routledge; Chester G. Starr, A History of the Ancient World, Oxford University Press, 1991; Hilding Thylander, Den Grekiska världen, (Svenska humanistiska förbundet, 1985); Arnold J. Toynbee, The Greeks and Their Heritages, Oxford University Press, 1981; Ulrich Wilcken, Alexander the Great; Ian Worthington, Alexander the Great, Routledge, 2002.


How about the world's museums, which Lit provided many links for earlier? What about all the other links we posted including genetic evidence from Oracle? Admit it, you haven't got a leg to stand on.

The stuff you lot posted is just contemporary lightweight crap quoting each other! Look at those years of issue!

Fancy Greece telling the Cypriots all these years that they're Slav!

When are you going to respond to what I posted? Actually when are you going to respond to anything here.

[umit07]

The publish dates range from the 1940s up until the 21st century, what is your point? These publishers are world famed and respected, unlike the FYROM crap that you post.

Quit calling it "FYROM Crap" just because the Macedonians are using it as evidence! You're so bloody biased you’re incurable mate…

[Get Real!]

When are you going to respond to what I posted? Actually when are you going to respond to anything here.

Responding is one thing and COUNTERING is quite another!

The Macedonian forum makes mince-meat out of your “Hellenism” yet all you lot could do was to attempt to drown out my posts with dozens of links of your own!

If that’s what you mean by “response” I can always paste a few thousand verses from the Quoran and drown you right off this forum!

[yialousa1971]

When are you going to respond to what I posted? Actually when are you going to respond to anything here.

Responding is one thing and COUNTERING is quite another!

The Macedonian forum makes mince-meat out of your “Hellenism” yet all you lot could do was to attempt to drown out my posts with dozens of links of your own!

If that’s what you mean by “response” I can always paste a few thousand verses from the Quoran and drown you right off this forum!

What you talking about, I was talking about responding to me not anyone else. Unlike your rubbish, I posted neutral sources. So go back and respond to my first 2 posts from Charlton S Coons book, The Races of Europe and the Nicholas Hammond interview.

[Get Real!]

The incurable one is you mate who actually believes he descended from a few thousand Bronze Age Cypriots, with all the population settlements and assimilations that have occurred in Cyprus since.

You idiot! If it’s a toss between a few “Bronze Age Cypriots” from the country of my ancestors, or a few “Bronze Age Greeks” from 300 miles away on another chunk of land, then I think I’ll allow common sense to prevail and take my chances thank you!


Btw, Greece being a natural extension of the rest of Europe would’ve been overrun by the Slavs and other tribes many times over, THOUSANDS of years before Cyprus an isolated island was!

[Get Real!]

When are you going to respond to what I posted? Actually when are you going to respond to anything here.

Responding is one thing and COUNTERING is quite another!

The Macedonian forum makes mince-meat out of your “Hellenism” yet all you lot could do was to attempt to drown out my posts with dozens of links of your own!

If that’s what you mean by “response” I can always paste a few thousand verses from the Quoran and drown you right off this forum!

What you talking about, I was talking about responding to me not anyone else. Unlike your rubbish, I posted neutral sources. So go back and respond to my first 2 posts from Charlton S Coons book, The Races of Europe and the Nicholas Hammond interview.

I’ll show your posts the same respect you lot showed mine so here’s my response to them: FUCK YOUR POSTS!

It goes to show how stupid and immature you Greeks are. Had you been patient and courteous enough we might have had a civilized debate but you turned it into a pasting competition to drown me out!

As we say… “Ebnigikate senna botiri nero!”

[yialousa1971]

When are you going to respond to what I posted? Actually when are you going to respond to anything here.

Responding is one thing and COUNTERING is quite another!

The Macedonian forum makes mince-meat out of your “Hellenism” yet all you lot could do was to attempt to drown out my posts with dozens of links of your own!

If that’s what you mean by “response” I can always paste a few thousand verses from the Quoran and drown you right off this forum!

What you talking about, I was talking about responding to me not anyone else. Unlike your rubbish, I posted neutral sources. So go back and respond to my first 2 posts from Charlton S Coons book, The Races of Europe and the Nicholas Hammond interview.

I’ll show your posts the same respect you lot showed mine so here’s my response to them: FUCK YOUR POSTS!

It goes to show how stupid and immature you Greeks are. Had you been patient and courteous enough we might have had a civilized debate but you turned it into a pasting competition to drown me out!

As we say… “Ebnigikate senna botiri nero!”

Well you need drowing out and anyone like you. As to a pasting competition, thats what you were doing not me. I responded to your points, your a waste of space, all your here for is to try and serve your own ego.