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Postby alexISS » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:36 am

denizaksulu wrote:
The wonders of the search engine.

Oh dear :shock: :shock:


Actually, Deniz, this is exactly what GR was afraid of, that's why he copied the images to a different host. There may not be many googlers more frequent than him, but there are a lot that are more efficient
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Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:57 am

Get Real! wrote:
Nikephoros wrote:I am sorry to say this to you people, but with so many commie traitors like Get Real! on your island, in the future I see you all are heading to extinction. These post-commies even manage to get AKEL back into power.

In a few dozens years or maybe a century, Turkey will have all of Cyprus with all these Cypriot Cypriot idiots chopping at the bit. Turkey will never stop its hostility and these Get Real!, Bananiot's will never stop in their capitulations and treason, eventually the stars will align for a total Turkish invasion of the island.

Absolutely! I’m the BIGGEST traitor to both the Hellenisation and the Turkification of Cyprus. 8)


Fighting on two fronts, huh! :roll:

.... I am not a military tactician, but I seem to recall bad things happen to those who do that :lol:
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Re: “Hellenism” - the greatest mythology of them all!

Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:17 am

Get Real! wrote:“Hellenism” - the greatest mythology of them all!

In this thread the reader will eventually discover that…

1. Modern Greeks are NOT the descendants of ancient Greeks period.


GR! is WRONG! :lol:


A striking demonstration of the persistence of the Greek genetic signature through time can be found in [1].

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Re: “Hellenism” - the greatest mythology of them all!

Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:19 am

Get Real! wrote:“Hellenism” - the greatest mythology of them all!

In this thread the reader will eventually discover that…

1. Modern Greeks are NOT the descendants of ancient Greeks period.


GR! is WRONG! :lol:

The figure on the right is the 4th principal component of variation in Europe and shows a strong cline centered in Greece. Not only is the Greek genetic legacy clearly detectible today, but it is detectible among not only the Greeks, but all their neighboring populations of partial Greek ancestry:


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Re: “Hellenism” - the greatest mythology of them all!

Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:29 am

Get Real! wrote:“Hellenism” - the greatest mythology of them all!

In this thread the reader will eventually discover that…

1. Modern Greeks are NOT the descendants of ancient Greeks period.



GR! is WRONG! :D

Figure 2. Hidden patterns in the geography of Europe shown by the first five principal components, explaining respectively 28%, 22%, 11%, 7%, and 5% of the total genetic variation for 95 classical polymorphisms (1, 13, 14). The first component is almost superimposable to the archaeological dates of the spread of farming from the Middle East between 10,000 and 6,000 years ago. The second principal component parallels a probable spread of Uralic people and/or languages to the northeast of Europe. The third is very similar to the spread of pastoral nomads (and their successors) who domesticated the horse in the steppe towards the end of the farming expansion, and are believed by some archaeologists and linguists to have spread most Indo-European languages to Europe. The fourth is strongly reminiscent of Greek colonization in the first millennium B.C. The fifth corresponds to the progressive retreat of the boundary of the Basque language. Basques have retained, in addition to their language, believed to be descended from an original language spoken in Europe, some of their original genetic characteristics. (From ref. 1, with permission of Princeton University Press, modified.)
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Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:33 am

The genetic affinities of human populations can be determined by examining large numbers of polymorphisms. For example, Ayub et al. [2] used 182 tri- and tetra-autosomal microsatellites, which allowed them to create the following tree based on DAS genetic distance between the sampled populations. It is clear that Greeks belong in the Caucasoid cluster of populations (encompassing groups from “North European” to “Burusho” in the figure), and are clearly distinguished from the Asian/Oceanian/American cluster (“Cambodian” to “Mayan Indian”), and even more from the African groups (“San” to “Zaire Pygmy').



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Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:37 am

Modern studies of autosomal DNA rely on the study of large numbers of single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs), i.e., of changes in a single letter of the genetic code. A recent study [3] used 10,000 such polymorphisms to investigate the genetic structure of European populations, including a sample of Greeks. Two different techniques were used: principal components analysis (PCA) , which find the most important dimensions summarizing the variability of the genetic data, and STRUCTURE a widely-used model-based clustering program, which assigns individuals to a number K of different clusters.

The results of the STRUCTURE runs are pictured below.



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For each number of clusters (K), each cluster is assigned a color. Each individual from the studied populations corresponds to a vertical line, and consists in various proportions of the different clusters. We observe that the Greek individuals belong to the main European-West Asian-North African (Cluster) cluster for K up to 5. At K=6 a "Mediterranean" small cluster (green) emerges which encompasses particularly populations bordering the Mediterranean as well as Armenians. In particular, we observe that there is no visible contribution of the East Eurasian (Mongoloid) pink cluster or of Sub-Saharan African (Negroid) red cluster.

All the above from the most recent review ...

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Re: “Hellenism” - the greatest mythology of them all!

Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:55 am

In Conclusion:

Get Real! wrote:In this thread the reader will eventually discover that…

1. Modern Greeks are NOT the descendants of ancient Greeks period.


GR! is WRONG! :lol:

The figure on the right is the 4th principal component of variation in Europe and shows a strong cline centered in Greece. Not only is the Greek genetic legacy clearly detectible today, but it is detectible among not only the Greeks, but all their neighboring populations of partial Greek ancestry:


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Re: “Hellenism” - the greatest mythology of them all!

Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:14 pm

Get Real! wrote:2. Phillip and his son Alexander the Great of Macedonia, were NOT Greeks but neighboring arch-enemies of Greece who had overrun and ruled Greece among other territories, making the Greeks their slaves!


On point 2; Again GR! is Wrong! :lol:


1. Alexander’s great-great-great grandfather, Alexander I, was certified as Greek at Olympia.

2. Alexander’s father, Philip, won several equestrian victories at Olympia and Delphi (Plutarch, Alexander 4.9; Moralia 105A), the two most Hellenic of all the sanctuaries in ancient Greece where non-Greeks were not allowed to compete. If Philip was Greek, wasn’t his son also Greek?

2.When Euripides – who died and was buried in Macedonia (Thucydides apud Pal. Anth. 7.45; Pausanias 1.2.2; Diodorus Siculus 13.103) – wrote his play Archelaos in honor of the great-uncle of Alexander, did he write it in Slavic?

3. When he wrote the Bacchai while at the court of Archelaos did he not write it in Greek even as it has survived to us? Or should we imagine that Euripides was a “Macedonian” who wrote in Slavic (at a date when that language is not attested) which was translated into Greek?

4. What was the language of instruction when Aristotle taught Alexander?

5. What language was carried by Alexander with him on his expedition to the East?

6. Why do we have ancient inscriptions in Greek in settlements established by Alexander as far away as Afghanistan, and none in Slavic?

7. Why did Greek become the lingua franca in Alexander’s empire if he was actually a “Macedonian”?

8. Why was the New Testament written in Greek rather than Slavic?


Adapted from: Stephen G. Miller, Professor Emeritus at University of California, Berkeley
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Postby T_C » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:41 pm

:roll:

What does Oracle know....

Let's get the opinion of REAL experts. 8)

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=557938

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