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“Hellenism” - the greatest mythology of them all!

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Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:15 am

The Cypriot wrote:I think Zionism is a greater and more dangerous mythology than Hellenism, GR. That Jews – after thousands of years of being scattered around the world – were able, in the 20th century, to turn Palestine into the modern Jewish state of Israel – simply because of a few religious stories in the Torah – is the reason why the Middle East is in the mess it's in.

Israel, like all nation states (including Greece) is a modern construct. But unlike most other modern states, it's largely constructed on land belonging to others (just like the 'TRNC').

But aside from the Israelis, and maybe the Egyptians, it's certainly true that only the modern Greeks's sense of self is so wrapped up in the myths and legends of thousands of years ago.

Perhaps if they and their Cypriot cousins spent more time living in the present and looking to the future, instead of convincing themselves ('cos no one else gives a flying fig) that Alexander was really "Greek" rather than "Macedonian"; perhaps if they spent less time resting on their laurels simply because their forefathers supposedly conquered everything, thought of everything and invented everything, we wouldn't need modern-day bins next to our modern-day toilets for our modern-day toilet paper.

Your average modern Brit doesn't spend time arguing that the ancient warrior Queen Boudicca was an ancient Brit, rather than a Celt or an Angle, to prove his sense of self. Your average Brit doesn't try and convince himself, let alone anyone else, that he is a direct (or even just cultural) descendant of the victorious Vikings, or the magnificent Normans or the superior Saxons. A lot has happened since then after all.

Most Brits think even the Battle of Britain – their country's "finest hour"– is ancient history. I expect they'd rather admire the contribution their nation makes to today's world of design, engineering, literature, music or film (I won't mention banking and financial services) for their sense of self.

Your average modern Italian doesn't spend time trying to convince himself that Julius Caeser was "Italian" rather than "Roman"; or both; to prove his sense of self. Nor is he filled with a huge sense of pride because of how dominant the Roman empire of 2,000 years ago was. Nor does he spend endless hours convincing himself that Archimedes was "Italian" rather than "Sicilian"; or get annoyed because those sad-old modern Greeks want to claim him too. He'd rather dream of owning a Lamborghini or staying in a Bvlgari hotel to feel good about himself.


I think you are sadly out of touch.

The genetics testing industry is booming because people want to know their roots!

BTW Greece is only a "modern construct" because of its hundreds of years of slavery.

Are you suggesting Cyprus is worthless because it is an even more "modern construct" (1960)?
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Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:17 am

Get Real! wrote:The CF has never seen so many Greeks simultaneously scrambling in damage control like we’ve witnessed on this thread tonight! :lol:

Little do they know what lies ahead for them tomorrow, or the day after that for the “Hellenic” files will be a long-term project for GR so that every single online Cypriot will eventually be well informed of how badly we’ve been had!

It’s a depressing case of a Greek mythology turning into a major Cypriot tragedy…


I am still waiting for ONE credible source to back up your claims ....
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Postby Simon » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:17 am

If tomorrow will be anything like today GR, then the only thing that will need to be controlled is your embarrassment following a severe beating. :lol:

The weight of evidence is clearly against you thus far.
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Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:18 am

Oracle wrote:
Simon wrote:Thanks Oracle, I think this needed your expertise. :D

GR doesn't appear to be making any coherent arguments, but just scanning lots from his books. He has even used authors from the FYROM :lol:


I don't know what he is trying to prove now :?

His initial argument was that Cypriots are not Hellenic. Now he is trying to say that Greeks are not Hellenic also?

I've been out all evening, so I have some catching up to do ....


It's because he can't prove either, he tried to prove Cyprus was not Hellenic but he failed so now he wants to prove Hellas isn't Hellenic. This is the sign of a classic fool. :twisted:
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Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:37 am

I think we need to ask DT. to describe how GR! says "NO" :wink:

Greek Negation Body Language is a characteristic of Greeks going back thousands of years and it has been passed on to some other groups with which they have interacted.

I bet GR! raises his chin, eyebrows up, head tilt backwards and a little "tsk" emanates from his lips :lol:
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Postby Simon » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:39 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Lit » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:59 am

Get Real! wrote:The CF has never seen so many Greeks


You mean like here, in New York City. Sweet. Check out my play ground:

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Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:01 am

Get Real! wrote:The CF has never seen so many Greeks simultaneously scrambling in damage control like we’ve witnessed on this thread tonight! :lol:

Little do they know what lies ahead for them tomorrow, or the day after that for the “Hellenic” files will be a long-term project for GR so that every single online Cypriot will eventually be well informed of how badly we’ve been had!

It’s a depressing case of a Greek mythology turning into a major Cypriot tragedy…


My mum is not from Greece shes from Cyprus (Yialousa), shes a Greek Cypriot so don't get what your talking about! I read you like an open book, I knew you were going to post Fallmeryer crap.
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Postby Simon » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:10 am

[quote]The CF has never seen so many Greeks [/quote]


At least you now admit that we ARE Greeks GR. Thanks for the admission.

That didn't take long. :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:14 am

Do you Greeks ever SHUT UP? Bloody hell… :roll:
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