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Postby YFred » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:25 am

Viewpoint wrote:Why do you people ignore these fundamental errors which show that GCs have not changed 1 iota from the same discriminative mindset they displayed against TCs back in the 1960s this has only gone underground to surface here and there but if we unite these will be daily occurancies.

No VP. These people are in a minority. We cannot ignore them but it does not mean that all GC doctors and nurses are like them. I am just sad that the GC forumers treat this so lightly.
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Postby utu » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:45 am

Racism exists in all corners of the world, and in all trades and professions. True, those Doctors - if they started making "Greek Only" comments were IMHO seriously out of line, but to single them out when it occurs all over the world is showing a small part of a very big problem.
I've heard the racist accusations on both sides of the Green Line: Greek Cypriots in the north being harrased by the Turks while Turkish Cypriots living in the south complain that their constitutional rights are being ignored. Let's get serious here, and say honestly that all persons have some degree of prejudice, and how that prejudice is shown and perceived is a key cause of conflict. Now, the mistrust and stereotypes of the Greek and Turkish Communities of Cyprus are not going to disappear overnight, so to say that it will stop completely is not going to happen. However, if there is an effort to at least seriously address the issue and realize just how destructive it is, then there may be hope for the island.
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Postby YFred » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:29 pm

utu wrote:Racism exists in all corners of the world, and in all trades and professions. True, those Doctors - if they started making "Greek Only" comments were IMHO seriously out of line, but to single them out when it occurs all over the world is showing a small part of a very big problem.
I've heard the racist accusations on both sides of the Green Line: Greek Cypriots in the north being harrased by the Turks while Turkish Cypriots living in the south complain that their constitutional rights are being ignored. Let's get serious here, and say honestly that all persons have some degree of prejudice, and how that prejudice is shown and perceived is a key cause of conflict. Now, the mistrust and stereotypes of the Greek and Turkish Communities of Cyprus are not going to disappear overnight, so to say that it will stop completely is not going to happen. However, if there is an effort to at least seriously address the issue and realize just how destructive it is, then there may be hope for the island.

Utu, what shocked me was the fact that these were in the medical profession. I know there is racism in all walks of life but not in a hospital during treatment. If these people did not treat somebody on grounds that they could not speak their language, they should be struck off. They were able to communicate in English; not being able to communicate is not relevant.
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Postby utu » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:15 pm

YFred wrote:
utu wrote:Racism exists in all corners of the world, and in all trades and professions. True, those Doctors - if they started making "Greek Only" comments were IMHO seriously out of line, but to single them out when it occurs all over the world is showing a small part of a very big problem.
I've heard the racist accusations on both sides of the Green Line: Greek Cypriots in the north being harrased by the Turks while Turkish Cypriots living in the south complain that their constitutional rights are being ignored. Let's get serious here, and say honestly that all persons have some degree of prejudice, and how that prejudice is shown and perceived is a key cause of conflict. Now, the mistrust and stereotypes of the Greek and Turkish Communities of Cyprus are not going to disappear overnight, so to say that it will stop completely is not going to happen. However, if there is an effort to at least seriously address the issue and realize just how destructive it is, then there may be hope for the island.

Utu, what shocked me was the fact that these were in the medical profession. I know there is racism in all walks of life but not in a hospital during treatment. If these people did not treat somebody on grounds that they could not speak their language, they should be struck off. They were able to communicate in English; not being able to communicate is not relevant.


I see what you mean. The Hypocratic Oath is not supposed to be subject to prejudice. Then again, patients should not be nasty to doctors as well... Doctors - like patients - are only human, and thus subject to all the uimperfections of humanity.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:36 pm

The issue here is not the act itself as racism exists everywhere but the way GC just brushed to one side these issues making excuses so as not to take swift and concrete action to stamp out and deter people from acting in this manner. This is a sign of what our ives would be like if we ever decide to coexsist with GCs, obvious actions of racism would be ignored.
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Postby utu » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:39 am

Viewpoint wrote:The issue here is not the act itself as racism exists everywhere but the way GC just brushed to one side these issues making excuses so as not to take swift and concrete action to stamp out and deter people from acting in this manner. This is a sign of what our ives would be like if we ever decide to coexsist with GCs, obvious actions of racism would be ignored.


Racism is such an ugly word, and folk like to believe that it doesn't exist. Sweeping such things under the rug is easier than facing the problems. The fact that some are starting to face the issue is encouraging.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:55 pm

The action taken is important here becuase in a united Cyprus TCs will be faced with the same ignorant racists and need to know that action will be taken and not just brushed under the carpet as was the case 1963-1974.
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Postby DT. » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:05 pm

Viewpoint wrote:The action taken is important here becuase in a united Cyprus TCs will be faced with the same ignorant racists and need to know that action will be taken and not just brushed under the carpet as was the case 1963-1974.


What about the GC's faced with the same ignorant TC's? What are you doing about them?

You've got known murderers that interpol is looking for running for Members of parliament over there. Get off your donkeys, wipe the shit of your shoes and then tell us about our carpets that need hoovering.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:08 pm

DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:The action taken is important here becuase in a united Cyprus TCs will be faced with the same ignorant racists and need to know that action will be taken and not just brushed under the carpet as was the case 1963-1974.


What about the GC's faced with the same ignorant TC's? What are you doing about them?

You've got known murderers that interpol is looking for running for Members of parliament over there. Get off your donkeys, wipe the shit of your shoes and then tell us about our carpets that need hoovering.


The difference if you have not noticed is that we do not claim to be a EU country you do, so start acting like one. The old addage comes to mind about the "RoC" placing a saddle on a donkey does not make it a race horse.
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Postby DT. » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:09 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:The action taken is important here becuase in a united Cyprus TCs will be faced with the same ignorant racists and need to know that action will be taken and not just brushed under the carpet as was the case 1963-1974.


What about the GC's faced with the same ignorant TC's? What are you doing about them?

You've got known murderers that interpol is looking for running for Members of parliament over there. Get off your donkeys, wipe the shit of your shoes and then tell us about our carpets that need hoovering.


The difference if you have not noticed is that we do not claim to be a EU country you do, so start acting like one. The old addage comes to mind about the "RoC" placing a saddle on a donkey does not make it a race horse.


You're hardly in a position of claiming what is EU acceptable and what is not. As Turkey is seeking to join our little club we suggest you start paying attention to some of the things we're saying otherwise you'll never get in.
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