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[denizaksulu]

The argument that it is all the fault of the GCs who hijacked the RoC etc is nonsense. The foundation is the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS and this has nothing to do with the RoC and politics.

The rights ot the owners are protected by the Convention of Human Rights and no matter what the RoC did to anyone these rights do NOT change.

The basis of the claim by the owners of land is against those in possession, and most of them are EU nationals and therefore vulnerable to court actions in the EU. The same goes for those who are not EU nationals except that in their case the legal action might take a different and longr route to get to the individual culprit.

And a final note on this term "exchange land". The term is a falsehood since there has been no voluntary exchange between owners. Its use to convince foreigners to buy is an outright fraud. In law fraud is any representation which is made knowingly and with the intention to influence the victim to part with his money.

So if the Orams and others like them want their money back, that is their solution, sue those that defrauded them by asserting that the land was "exchange land", starting with Denktash and those two ridiculous Eurodeputies who tell expats that there is no such thing as Greek Cypriot land in the north anymore.

And those thinking of buying should do well to read the tourist leaflet published by the TCs on ancient Lambousa. The inhabitants of Lambousa buried their valuables to avoid looting in the 7th century. Three hundred years later they came back and dug them up. Never forget the tenacity of Cypriots!

Nikitas...the term exchange land in "trnc" speak does not mean an exchange with the owner. It means that this land was given to someone with land in the south, the "trnc" govt has taken this land in the south from this individual and given them GC land in the north.

Thus the exchange apprently is between the "trnc" and the tc. I assume this to make sure that any individual actions and tc's might be considering are limited, since the occupation regime now owns most of the tc land in the south.

Errr, not my mother's land and they never will.!

I agree with Kiks here. My land is still mine under RoC Law.

[YFred]

The argument that it is all the fault of the GCs who hijacked the RoC etc is nonsense. The foundation is the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS and this has nothing to do with the RoC and politics.

The rights ot the owners are protected by the Convention of Human Rights and no matter what the RoC did to anyone these rights do NOT change.

The basis of the claim by the owners of land is against those in possession, and most of them are EU nationals and therefore vulnerable to court actions in the EU. The same goes for those who are not EU nationals except that in their case the legal action might take a different and longr route to get to the individual culprit.

And a final note on this term "exchange land". The term is a falsehood since there has been no voluntary exchange between owners. Its use to convince foreigners to buy is an outright fraud. In law fraud is any representation which is made knowingly and with the intention to influence the victim to part with his money.

So if the Orams and others like them want their money back, that is their solution, sue those that defrauded them by asserting that the land was "exchange land", starting with Denktash and those two ridiculous Eurodeputies who tell expats that there is no such thing as Greek Cypriot land in the north anymore.

And those thinking of buying should do well to read the tourist leaflet published by the TCs on ancient Lambousa. The inhabitants of Lambousa buried their valuables to avoid looting in the 7th century. Three hundred years later they came back and dug them up. Never forget the tenacity of Cypriots!

Nikitas...the term exchange land in "trnc" speak does not mean an exchange with the owner. It means that this land was given to someone with land in the south, the "trnc" govt has taken this land in the south from this individual and given them GC land in the north.

Thus the exchange apprently is between the "trnc" and the tc. I assume this to make sure that any individual actions and tc's might be considering are limited, since the occupation regime now owns most of the tc land in the south.

Errr, not my mother's land and they never will.!

I agree with Kiks here. My land is still mine under RoC Law.

And are you able to use it or benefit from it? Isn't RoC as guilty as everybody else as far as stealing other peoples' land is concerned?
The only difference I see is that one is legalised.

[denizaksulu]

The argument that it is all the fault of the GCs who hijacked the RoC etc is nonsense. The foundation is the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS and this has nothing to do with the RoC and politics.

The rights ot the owners are protected by the Convention of Human Rights and no matter what the RoC did to anyone these rights do NOT change.

The basis of the claim by the owners of land is against those in possession, and most of them are EU nationals and therefore vulnerable to court actions in the EU. The same goes for those who are not EU nationals except that in their case the legal action might take a different and longr route to get to the individual culprit.

And a final note on this term "exchange land". The term is a falsehood since there has been no voluntary exchange between owners. Its use to convince foreigners to buy is an outright fraud. In law fraud is any representation which is made knowingly and with the intention to influence the victim to part with his money.

So if the Orams and others like them want their money back, that is their solution, sue those that defrauded them by asserting that the land was "exchange land", starting with Denktash and those two ridiculous Eurodeputies who tell expats that there is no such thing as Greek Cypriot land in the north anymore.

And those thinking of buying should do well to read the tourist leaflet published by the TCs on ancient Lambousa. The inhabitants of Lambousa buried their valuables to avoid looting in the 7th century. Three hundred years later they came back and dug them up. Never forget the tenacity of Cypriots!

Nikitas...the term exchange land in "trnc" speak does not mean an exchange with the owner. It means that this land was given to someone with land in the south, the "trnc" govt has taken this land in the south from this individual and given them GC land in the north.

Thus the exchange apprently is between the "trnc" and the tc. I assume this to make sure that any individual actions and tc's might be considering are limited, since the occupation regime now owns most of the tc land in the south.

Errr, not my mother's land and they never will.!

I agree with Kiks here. My land is still mine under RoC Law.

And are you able to use it or benefit from it? Isn't RoC as guilty as everybody else as far as stealing other peoples' land is concerned?
The only difference I see is that one is legalised.

I have yet to put it to the test yet. I am waiting for the right moment.

[YFred]

The argument that it is all the fault of the GCs who hijacked the RoC etc is nonsense. The foundation is the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS and this has nothing to do with the RoC and politics.

The rights ot the owners are protected by the Convention of Human Rights and no matter what the RoC did to anyone these rights do NOT change.

The basis of the claim by the owners of land is against those in possession, and most of them are EU nationals and therefore vulnerable to court actions in the EU. The same goes for those who are not EU nationals except that in their case the legal action might take a different and longr route to get to the individual culprit.

And a final note on this term "exchange land". The term is a falsehood since there has been no voluntary exchange between owners. Its use to convince foreigners to buy is an outright fraud. In law fraud is any representation which is made knowingly and with the intention to influence the victim to part with his money.

So if the Orams and others like them want their money back, that is their solution, sue those that defrauded them by asserting that the land was "exchange land", starting with Denktash and those two ridiculous Eurodeputies who tell expats that there is no such thing as Greek Cypriot land in the north anymore.

And those thinking of buying should do well to read the tourist leaflet published by the TCs on ancient Lambousa. The inhabitants of Lambousa buried their valuables to avoid looting in the 7th century. Three hundred years later they came back and dug them up. Never forget the tenacity of Cypriots!

Nikitas...the term exchange land in "trnc" speak does not mean an exchange with the owner. It means that this land was given to someone with land in the south, the "trnc" govt has taken this land in the south from this individual and given them GC land in the north.

Thus the exchange apprently is between the "trnc" and the tc. I assume this to make sure that any individual actions and tc's might be considering are limited, since the occupation regime now owns most of the tc land in the south.

Errr, not my mother's land and they never will.!

I agree with Kiks here. My land is still mine under RoC Law.

And are you able to use it or benefit from it? Isn't RoC as guilty as everybody else as far as stealing other peoples' land is concerned?
The only difference I see is that one is legalised.

I have yet to put it to the test yet. I am waiting for the right moment.

End of this year, if this one fails I will join you perhaps we can pool together for court action?

[denizaksulu]

The argument that it is all the fault of the GCs who hijacked the RoC etc is nonsense. The foundation is the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS and this has nothing to do with the RoC and politics.

The rights ot the owners are protected by the Convention of Human Rights and no matter what the RoC did to anyone these rights do NOT change.

The basis of the claim by the owners of land is against those in possession, and most of them are EU nationals and therefore vulnerable to court actions in the EU. The same goes for those who are not EU nationals except that in their case the legal action might take a different and longr route to get to the individual culprit.

And a final note on this term "exchange land". The term is a falsehood since there has been no voluntary exchange between owners. Its use to convince foreigners to buy is an outright fraud. In law fraud is any representation which is made knowingly and with the intention to influence the victim to part with his money.

So if the Orams and others like them want their money back, that is their solution, sue those that defrauded them by asserting that the land was "exchange land", starting with Denktash and those two ridiculous Eurodeputies who tell expats that there is no such thing as Greek Cypriot land in the north anymore.

And those thinking of buying should do well to read the tourist leaflet published by the TCs on ancient Lambousa. The inhabitants of Lambousa buried their valuables to avoid looting in the 7th century. Three hundred years later they came back and dug them up. Never forget the tenacity of Cypriots!

Nikitas...the term exchange land in "trnc" speak does not mean an exchange with the owner. It means that this land was given to someone with land in the south, the "trnc" govt has taken this land in the south from this individual and given them GC land in the north.

Thus the exchange apprently is between the "trnc" and the tc. I assume this to make sure that any individual actions and tc's might be considering are limited, since the occupation regime now owns most of the tc land in the south.

Errr, not my mother's land and they never will.!

I agree with Kiks here. My land is still mine under RoC Law.

And are you able to use it or benefit from it? Isn't RoC as guilty as everybody else as far as stealing other peoples' land is concerned?
The only difference I see is that one is legalised.

I have yet to put it to the test yet. I am waiting for the right moment.

End of this year, if this one fails I will join you perhaps we can pool together for court action?

I have no case yet against the RoC. We shall see.

[Nikitas]

Deniz,

Why do you need to put your case to any test? As a non resident of the TRNC you have the right to possess your land at any time. Those who reside in the TRNC can reclaim their land as long as they fulfill two conditions:

a- six month residence in RoC, b- provide proof that they do not posses GC land in the north.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz,

Why do you need to put your case to any test? As a non resident of the TRNC you have the right to possess your land at any time. Those who reside in the TRNC can reclaim their land as long as they fulfill two conditions:

a- six month residence in RoC, b- provide proof that they do not posses GC land in the north.

(a-) is the problem.

(b-) is no problem. (Mr. Jacovou FM) knows me. I do not and have never possessed anything in the north.

[YFred]

Deniz,

Why do you need to put your case to any test? As a non resident of the TRNC you have the right to possess your land at any time. Those who reside in the TRNC can reclaim their land as long as they fulfill two conditions:

a- six month residence in RoC, b- provide proof that they do not posses GC land in the north.

You can be asked to provide proof of possessing something. How do you provide proof that you do not possess something if you don't have it?

[denizaksulu]

Deniz,

Why do you need to put your case to any test? As a non resident of the TRNC you have the right to possess your land at any time. Those who reside in the TRNC can reclaim their land as long as they fulfill two conditions:

a- six month residence in RoC, b- provide proof that they do not posses GC land in the north.

You can be asked to provide proof of possessing something. How do you provide proof that you do not possess something if you don't have it?

I have a feeling that the RoC might have means to check whether one is 'double-dipping'. I wish their research was more strident.

[YFred]

Deniz,

Why do you need to put your case to any test? As a non resident of the TRNC you have the right to possess your land at any time. Those who reside in the TRNC can reclaim their land as long as they fulfill two conditions:

a- six month residence in RoC, b- provide proof that they do not posses GC land in the north.

You can be asked to provide proof of possessing something. How do you provide proof that you do not possess something if you don't have it?

I have a feeling that the RoC might have means to check whether one is 'double-dipping'. I wish their research was more strident.

Surely if that was the case, than the comment should have been subject to us proving that you have no greek cypriot land?