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[denizaksulu]

I'd really like to get you elected President of the ROC someday and let them suffer a little more by having a tc President after them.

Thanks for the thought, DT, but as a President of the RoC, I would like to guide the TC's from a "Corrupted Society" into a True Democracy and not make them suffer. They have been suffering long enough with leaders such a Denktash for way too long. If not aloud, but silently. It will take a lot of the burden off their shoulders to be living in an "Honest Society" once again. That would be my mission for the TC's. As for the GC's, I will have a mission for them also.!

You would lead us to capitulation, surrender to GC dominance and discrimination, you do not know TC well they will never accept living in a GC state as just another minority, they will fight for their rights and would rather become part of Turkey than accept your proposals.

Oh, but that's not true, VP, because I already gave you a Democratic plan that safeguards all the TC's rights with 50% power at the upper house. All you have to do, is to agree to return the GC land that does not belong to you.! But you would rather keep the GC land than have peace and an "honest society" for our people. Did you not say, that each side needs to make a compromise.? Well, where the hell is it from your part, if you turn down my BBF plan.?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

Your plan was disguised capitualtion which is the worst form of deception you would have the TCs exposed to GC domination by loss of just one seat in the upper house as the lower house was a lost cause from day 1. Your plan was to reduce our numbers to a size that could give the GCs that 1 seat necessary to disregard us and take control of both states, you shoudl feel ashamed that you do not try to close the door on such risks and put forward a plan that would guarantee TCs effective say in a new structure where they cannot be pushed to one side. You may be willing to live in a GC dominated country without any community rights but there is a majority of TCs would fell so strongly that they would rather unite with Turkey than be exposed to GC administered democracy and human rights.

Nothing is disguised about my plan. It is written in plain English on ONE page and not the 9000+ pages that the AP had, which was the "mother of all disguises".! I have told you what steps needed to be taken to make it work. Your problem is, you don't want to live in a True Democratic country, because you think you have certain "community rights" that can violate others Democratic and Human Rights. Since you insists on having some "community rights", then ask the EU to allow you to limit the number of GC's can live in the 20% TC state in the north, so that you can always have the majority in the TC state, which means keeping all the Upper House seats. You did it with the AP and you said yes to it, so do it again. See, it's simple to fix if the EU goes along with it. I don't see why not, since there won't be anywhere the GC's will reach the limit to be a problem to cause a Human Rights problem. So, VP, go ahead and ask the EU to bend some of it's rules. I'm sure the GC's will be able to accept this arrangement, since according to my calculations, it is not going to effect any GC's at all. You see, nothing is disguised, so, as soon as you hand over 50% of the north, you can have peace in Cyprus.

Although that proposal was backed by both the UN and EU the GCs rejected that idea as it did not serve their purpose.

No, VP, what the GC's rejected was the Annan Plan as a package and not individual proposals in it, just as you accepted the AP as a whole also, which included Racist , Undemocratic and Human Rights violations against the GC's.!

So the UN is also sponsoring the following....'included Racist , Undemocratic and Human Rights violations against the GC'. What ever next. The UN should be taken to the ECHR.

[Kikapu]

I'd really like to get you elected President of the ROC someday and let them suffer a little more by having a tc President after them.

Thanks for the thought, DT, but as a President of the RoC, I would like to guide the TC's from a "Corrupted Society" into a True Democracy and not make them suffer. They have been suffering long enough with leaders such a Denktash for way too long. If not aloud, but silently. It will take a lot of the burden off their shoulders to be living in an "Honest Society" once again. That would be my mission for the TC's. As for the GC's, I will have a mission for them also.!

You would lead us to capitulation, surrender to GC dominance and discrimination, you do not know TC well they will never accept living in a GC state as just another minority, they will fight for their rights and would rather become part of Turkey than accept your proposals.

Oh, but that's not true, VP, because I already gave you a Democratic plan that safeguards all the TC's rights with 50% power at the upper house. All you have to do, is to agree to return the GC land that does not belong to you.! But you would rather keep the GC land than have peace and an "honest society" for our people. Did you not say, that each side needs to make a compromise.? Well, where the hell is it from your part, if you turn down my BBF plan.?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

Your plan was disguised capitualtion which is the worst form of deception you would have the TCs exposed to GC domination by loss of just one seat in the upper house as the lower house was a lost cause from day 1. Your plan was to reduce our numbers to a size that could give the GCs that 1 seat necessary to disregard us and take control of both states, you shoudl feel ashamed that you do not try to close the door on such risks and put forward a plan that would guarantee TCs effective say in a new structure where they cannot be pushed to one side. You may be willing to live in a GC dominated country without any community rights but there is a majority of TCs would fell so strongly that they would rather unite with Turkey than be exposed to GC administered democracy and human rights.

Nothing is disguised about my plan. It is written in plain English on ONE page and not the 9000+ pages that the AP had, which was the "mother of all disguises".! I have told you what steps needed to be taken to make it work. Your problem is, you don't want to live in a True Democratic country, because you think you have certain "community rights" that can violate others Democratic and Human Rights. Since you insists on having some "community rights", then ask the EU to allow you to limit the number of GC's can live in the 20% TC state in the north, so that you can always have the majority in the TC state, which means keeping all the Upper House seats. You did it with the AP and you said yes to it, so do it again. See, it's simple to fix if the EU goes along with it. I don't see why not, since there won't be anywhere the GC's will reach the limit to be a problem to cause a Human Rights problem. So, VP, go ahead and ask the EU to bend some of it's rules. I'm sure the GC's will be able to accept this arrangement, since according to my calculations, it is not going to effect any GC's at all. You see, nothing is disguised, so, as soon as you hand over 50% of the north, you can have peace in Cyprus.

Although that proposal was backed by both the UN and EU the GCs rejected that idea as it did not serve their purpose.

No, VP, what the GC's rejected was the Annan Plan as a package and not individual proposals in it, just as you accepted the AP as a whole also, which included Racist , Undemocratic and Human Rights violations against the GC's.!

So the UN is also sponsoring the following....'included Racist , Undemocratic and Human Rights violations against the GC'. What ever next. The UN should be taken to the ECHR.

At least Kofi Annan anyway.!

[denizaksulu]

I'd really like to get you elected President of the ROC someday and let them suffer a little more by having a tc President after them.

Thanks for the thought, DT, but as a President of the RoC, I would like to guide the TC's from a "Corrupted Society" into a True Democracy and not make them suffer. They have been suffering long enough with leaders such a Denktash for way too long. If not aloud, but silently. It will take a lot of the burden off their shoulders to be living in an "Honest Society" once again. That would be my mission for the TC's. As for the GC's, I will have a mission for them also.!

You would lead us to capitulation, surrender to GC dominance and discrimination, you do not know TC well they will never accept living in a GC state as just another minority, they will fight for their rights and would rather become part of Turkey than accept your proposals.

Oh, but that's not true, VP, because I already gave you a Democratic plan that safeguards all the TC's rights with 50% power at the upper house. All you have to do, is to agree to return the GC land that does not belong to you.! But you would rather keep the GC land than have peace and an "honest society" for our people. Did you not say, that each side needs to make a compromise.? Well, where the hell is it from your part, if you turn down my BBF plan.?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

Your plan was disguised capitualtion which is the worst form of deception you would have the TCs exposed to GC domination by loss of just one seat in the upper house as the lower house was a lost cause from day 1. Your plan was to reduce our numbers to a size that could give the GCs that 1 seat necessary to disregard us and take control of both states, you shoudl feel ashamed that you do not try to close the door on such risks and put forward a plan that would guarantee TCs effective say in a new structure where they cannot be pushed to one side. You may be willing to live in a GC dominated country without any community rights but there is a majority of TCs would fell so strongly that they would rather unite with Turkey than be exposed to GC administered democracy and human rights.

Nothing is disguised about my plan. It is written in plain English on ONE page and not the 9000+ pages that the AP had, which was the "mother of all disguises".! I have told you what steps needed to be taken to make it work. Your problem is, you don't want to live in a True Democratic country, because you think you have certain "community rights" that can violate others Democratic and Human Rights. Since you insists on having some "community rights", then ask the EU to allow you to limit the number of GC's can live in the 20% TC state in the north, so that you can always have the majority in the TC state, which means keeping all the Upper House seats. You did it with the AP and you said yes to it, so do it again. See, it's simple to fix if the EU goes along with it. I don't see why not, since there won't be anywhere the GC's will reach the limit to be a problem to cause a Human Rights problem. So, VP, go ahead and ask the EU to bend some of it's rules. I'm sure the GC's will be able to accept this arrangement, since according to my calculations, it is not going to effect any GC's at all. You see, nothing is disguised, so, as soon as you hand over 50% of the north, you can have peace in Cyprus.

Although that proposal was backed by both the UN and EU the GCs rejected that idea as it did not serve their purpose.

No, VP, what the GC's rejected was the Annan Plan as a package and not individual proposals in it, just as you accepted the AP as a whole also, which included Racist , Undemocratic and Human Rights violations against the GC's.!

So the UN is also sponsoring the following....'included Racist , Undemocratic and Human Rights violations against the GC'. What ever next. The UN should be taken to the ECHR.

At least Kofi Annan anyway.!

I cant imagine the Annan Plan was written by him solely. But when I read the whole thing, I thought the GCs would be mad to accept it.

[DT.]

I cant imagine the Annan Plan was written by him solely. But when I read the whole thing, I thought the GCs would be mad to accept it.

Deniz, would you mind telling that to Bananiot?

[denizaksulu]

Bananiot reads everything on this forum. We are all individuals and make up our own minds from what we read.
When I first brought this matter up, I was disappointed that it was not open to further 'tweaking'/Ironing out. Perhaps that is why Bananiot had a different view from yourselves.
Since then I think there have been additional versions. I did not have the time to read them all over again.

[DT.]

Bananiot reads everything on this forum. We are all individuals and make up our own minds from what we read.
When I first brought this matter up, I was disappointed that it was not open to further 'tweaking'/Ironing out. Perhaps that is why Bananiot had a different view from yourselves.
Since then I think there have been additional versions. I did not have the time to read them all over again.

later versions got progressively worse. AP 3 is better than AP 5. the argument that Bananiot makes is that it was negotiated badly by Tpap (which is something I agree with) This still however does not help me understand how someone could have voted for it.

[Jerry]

Deniz, if you want an insight into the drafting of the Annan Plans you should read "An International Relations Debacle" by Claire Palley who is/was a constitutional and international rights lawyer. It's quite clear, to me, from reading the book that the plan was a con. Its main aim was to appease Turkey at the expense of the Greek Cypriots. The only fair way to solve the Cyprus Problem in my view is to go back to 1959 with a clean sheet and apply the princples of the UN Charter - wishful thinking, I know.

[di-di]

Hi all. Not posted for absolutely ages but was wondering when, if anyone knows, will the date be set for the case to be reviewed?

I am a Brit who consciously bought in the RoC after being made aware of the problems and history on this beautiful island. Therefore we made an educated decision of where to buy and it is a pity that for some greed overtook conscience.

As regards the Orams, well i think feelings do run high even amongst the ex-pat community and rightly so and an end to this case is urgently needed now before things can move forward for so many. Justice is needed for GC's, ex-pats and in fact the whole island.

If anyone knows the date for the next trial/hearing please let us all know as a lot of interest is being shown and this is now long overdue


Di-Di

[Jerry]

Hi all. Not posted for absolutely ages but was wondering when, if anyone knows, will the date be set for the case to be reviewed?

I am a Brit who consciously bought in the RoC after being made aware of the problems and history on this beautiful island. Therefore we made an educated decision of where to buy and it is a pity that for some greed overtook conscience.

As regards the Orams, well i think feelings do run high even amongst the ex-pat community and rightly so and an end to this case is urgently needed now before things can move forward for so many. Justice is needed for GC's, ex-pats and in fact the whole island.

If anyone knows the date for the next trial/hearing please let us all know as a lot of interest is being shown and this is now long overdue


Di-Di

28th April

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[Z4]

Hi all. Not posted for absolutely ages but was wondering when, if anyone knows, will the date be set for the case to be reviewed?

I am a Brit who consciously bought in the RoC after being made aware of the problems and history on this beautiful island. Therefore we made an educated decision of where to buy and it is a pity that for some greed overtook conscience.

As regards the Orams, well i think feelings do run high even amongst the ex-pat community and rightly so and an end to this case is urgently needed now before things can move forward for so many. Justice is needed for GC's, ex-pats and in fact the whole island.

If anyone knows the date for the next trial/hearing please let us all know as a lot of interest is being shown and this is now long overdue


Di-Di

Nicely put di-di