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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:46 pm

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DT. wrote:I'd really like to get you elected President of the ROC someday and let them suffer a little more by having a tc President after them.


Thanks for the thought, DT, but as a President of the RoC, I would like to guide the TC's from a "Corrupted Society" into a True Democracy and not make them suffer. They have been suffering long enough with leaders such a Denktash for way too long. If not aloud, but silently. It will take a lot of the burden off their shoulders to be living in an "Honest Society" once again. That would be my mission for the TC's. As for the GC's, I will have a mission for them also.! :lol:


You would lead us to capitulation, surrender to GC dominance and discrimination, you do not know TC well they will never accept living in a GC state as just another minority, they will fight for their rights and would rather become part of Turkey than accept your proposals.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:29 pm

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DT. wrote:I'd really like to get you elected President of the ROC someday and let them suffer a little more by having a tc President after them.


Thanks for the thought, DT, but as a President of the RoC, I would like to guide the TC's from a "Corrupted Society" into a True Democracy and not make them suffer. They have been suffering long enough with leaders such a Denktash for way too long. If not aloud, but silently. It will take a lot of the burden off their shoulders to be living in an "Honest Society" once again. That would be my mission for the TC's. As for the GC's, I will have a mission for them also.! :lol:


You would lead us to capitulation, surrender to GC dominance and discrimination, you do not know TC well they will never accept living in a GC state as just another minority, they will fight for their rights and would rather become part of Turkey than accept your proposals.


Oh, but that's not true, VP, because I already gave you a Democratic plan that safeguards all the TC's rights with 50% power at the upper house. All you have to do, is to agree to return the GC land that does not belong to you.! But you would rather keep the GC land than have peace and an "honest society" for our people. Did you not say, that each side needs to make a compromise.? Well, where the hell is it from your part, if you turn down my BBF plan.?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685
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Postby Z4 » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:33 pm

When we win against the Orams - can they appeal??
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:36 pm

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Kikapu wrote:
DT. wrote:I'd really like to get you elected President of the ROC someday and let them suffer a little more by having a tc President after them.


Thanks for the thought, DT, but as a President of the RoC, I would like to guide the TC's from a "Corrupted Society" into a True Democracy and not make them suffer. They have been suffering long enough with leaders such a Denktash for way too long. If not aloud, but silently. It will take a lot of the burden off their shoulders to be living in an "Honest Society" once again. That would be my mission for the TC's. As for the GC's, I will have a mission for them also.! :lol:


You would lead us to capitulation, surrender to GC dominance and discrimination, you do not know TC well they will never accept living in a GC state as just another minority, they will fight for their rights and would rather become part of Turkey than accept your proposals.


Oh, but that's not true, VP, because I already gave you a Democratic plan that safeguards all the TC's rights with 50% power at the upper house. All you have to do, is to agree to return the GC land that does not belong to you.! But you would rather keep the GC land than have peace and an "honest society" for our people. Did you not say, that each side needs to make a compromise.? Well, where the hell is it from your part, if you turn down my BBF plan.?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685


Your plan was disguised capitualtion which is the worst form of deception you would have the TCs exposed to GC domination by loss of just one seat in the upper house as the lower house was a lost cause from day 1. Your plan was to reduce our numbers to a size that could give the GCs that 1 seat necessary to disregard us and take control of both states, you shoudl feel ashamed that you do not try to close the door on such risks and put forward a plan that would guarantee TCs effective say in a new structure where they cannot be pushed to one side. You may be willing to live in a GC dominated country without any community rights but there is a majority of TCs would fell so strongly that they would rather unite with Turkey than be exposed to GC administered democracy and human rights.
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Postby bill cobbett » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:45 pm

Z4 wrote:When we win against the Orams - can they appeal??


The ECJ is the senior court in matters of EU law so its judgments on the points of EU law on which it has been asked for rulings are final.


8) 8) 8)
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Postby Z4 » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:56 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Z4 wrote:When we win against the Orams - can they appeal??


The ECJ is the senior court in matters of EU law so its judgments on the points of EU law on which it has been asked for rulings are final.


8) 8) 8)


....great. When will the action take place? (i.e passing the Hove house onto the GC or knocking down their house in occupied??
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:10 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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Kikapu wrote:
DT. wrote:I'd really like to get you elected President of the ROC someday and let them suffer a little more by having a tc President after them.


Thanks for the thought, DT, but as a President of the RoC, I would like to guide the TC's from a "Corrupted Society" into a True Democracy and not make them suffer. They have been suffering long enough with leaders such a Denktash for way too long. If not aloud, but silently. It will take a lot of the burden off their shoulders to be living in an "Honest Society" once again. That would be my mission for the TC's. As for the GC's, I will have a mission for them also.! :lol:


You would lead us to capitulation, surrender to GC dominance and discrimination, you do not know TC well they will never accept living in a GC state as just another minority, they will fight for their rights and would rather become part of Turkey than accept your proposals.


Oh, but that's not true, VP, because I already gave you a Democratic plan that safeguards all the TC's rights with 50% power at the upper house. All you have to do, is to agree to return the GC land that does not belong to you.! But you would rather keep the GC land than have peace and an "honest society" for our people. Did you not say, that each side needs to make a compromise.? Well, where the hell is it from your part, if you turn down my BBF plan.?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685


Your plan was disguised capitualtion which is the worst form of deception you would have the TCs exposed to GC domination by loss of just one seat in the upper house as the lower house was a lost cause from day 1. Your plan was to reduce our numbers to a size that could give the GCs that 1 seat necessary to disregard us and take control of both states, you shoudl feel ashamed that you do not try to close the door on such risks and put forward a plan that would guarantee TCs effective say in a new structure where they cannot be pushed to one side. You may be willing to live in a GC dominated country without any community rights but there is a majority of TCs would fell so strongly that they would rather unite with Turkey than be exposed to GC administered democracy and human rights.


Nothing is disguised about my plan. It is written in plain English on ONE page and not the 9000+ pages that the AP had, which was the "mother of all disguises".! I have told you what steps needed to be taken to make it work. Your problem is, you don't want to live in a True Democratic country, because you think you have certain "community rights" that can violate others Democratic and Human Rights. Since you insists on having some "community rights", then ask the EU to allow you to limit the number of GC's can live in the 20% TC state in the north, so that you can always have the majority in the TC state, which means keeping all the Upper House seats. You did it with the AP and you said yes to it, so do it again. See, it's simple to fix if the EU goes along with it. I don't see why not, since there won't be anywhere the GC's will reach the limit to be a problem to cause a Human Rights problem. So, VP, go ahead and ask the EU to bend some of it's rules. I'm sure the GC's will be able to accept this arrangement, since according to my calculations, it is not going to effect any GC's at all. You see, nothing is disguised, so, as soon as you hand over 50% of the north, you can have peace in Cyprus.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:11 pm

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Postby bill cobbett » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:12 pm

Z4 wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Z4 wrote:When we win against the Orams - can they appeal??


The ECJ is the senior court in matters of EU law so its judgments on the points of EU law on which it has been asked for rulings are final.


8) 8) 8)


....great. When will the action take place? (i.e passing the Hove house onto the GC or knocking down their house in occupied??


If things go in favour of Mr A at the ECJ, he'll have to go back to a GB court with the ECJ ruling and ask for an enforcement order, probably a "legal charge" on any GB property that is still in the O's names and this will probably also be appealable (within the GB court system).

So this affair will probably still be making news for a long time.
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Postby Z4 » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:18 pm

The O's will probably put family house in someone elses name!
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