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[Mr. T]

Having just read this thread there are many assumptions made that do not hold water some of which that spring to mind are;

British citizens living in the TRNC must have assets in the UK if they pay tax in the UK . This is NOT A FACT.

If the law is similar in the TRNC to that in the UK, which it almost certainly is, the banks interests in the land on which they have given loans is as mortgagees rather than as holders of the legal estate. Such interest will, no doubt, be registered but is not an interest where the actions proposed on this thread would be at all feasible.
Similarly Tess' comment re the fact that thousands that have paid for properties but are not legal estate holders holds true.

The main assumption which is silly at thie moment is that the EU decision will favour GCs. It may do and it may not. The expression' Don't count your chickens before they hatch' is pertinent here.

[Nikitas]

The argument that it is all the fault of the GCs who hijacked the RoC etc is nonsense. The foundation is the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS and this has nothing to do with the RoC and politics.

The rights ot the owners are protected by the Convention of Human Rights and no matter what the RoC did to anyone these rights do NOT change.

The basis of the claim by the owners of land is against those in possession, and most of them are EU nationals and therefore vulnerable to court actions in the EU. The same goes for those who are not EU nationals except that in their case the legal action might take a different and longr route to get to the individual culprit.

And a final note on this term "exchange land". The term is a falsehood since there has been no voluntary exchange between owners. Its use to convince foreigners to buy is an outright fraud. In law fraud is any representation which is made knowingly and with the intention to influence the victim to part with his money.

So if the Orams and others like them want their money back, that is their solution, sue those that defrauded them by asserting that the land was "exchange land", starting with Denktash and those two ridiculous Eurodeputies who tell expats that there is no such thing as Greek Cypriot land in the north anymore.

And those thinking of buying should do well to read the tourist leaflet published by the TCs on ancient Lambousa. The inhabitants of Lambousa buried their valuables to avoid looting in the 7th century. Three hundred years later they came back and dug them up. Never forget the tenacity of Cypriots!

[DT.]

The argument that it is all the fault of the GCs who hijacked the RoC etc is nonsense. The foundation is the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS and this has nothing to do with the RoC and politics.

The rights ot the owners are protected by the Convention of Human Rights and no matter what the RoC did to anyone these rights do NOT change.

The basis of the claim by the owners of land is against those in possession, and most of them are EU nationals and therefore vulnerable to court actions in the EU. The same goes for those who are not EU nationals except that in their case the legal action might take a different and longr route to get to the individual culprit.

And a final note on this term "exchange land". The term is a falsehood since there has been no voluntary exchange between owners. Its use to convince foreigners to buy is an outright fraud. In law fraud is any representation which is made knowingly and with the intention to influence the victim to part with his money.

So if the Orams and others like them want their money back, that is their solution, sue those that defrauded them by asserting that the land was "exchange land", starting with Denktash and those two ridiculous Eurodeputies who tell expats that there is no such thing as Greek Cypriot land in the north anymore.

And those thinking of buying should do well to read the tourist leaflet published by the TCs on ancient Lambousa. The inhabitants of Lambousa buried their valuables to avoid looting in the 7th century. Three hundred years later they came back and dug them up. Never forget the tenacity of Cypriots!

Nikitas...the term exchange land in "trnc" speak does not mean an exchange with the owner. It means that this land was given to someone with land in the south, the "trnc" govt has taken this land in the south from this individual and given them GC land in the north.

Thus the exchange apprently is between the "trnc" and the tc. I assume this to make sure that any individual actions and tc's might be considering are limited, since the occupation regime now owns most of the tc land in the south.

[Kikapu]

The argument that it is all the fault of the GCs who hijacked the RoC etc is nonsense. The foundation is the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS and this has nothing to do with the RoC and politics.

The rights ot the owners are protected by the Convention of Human Rights and no matter what the RoC did to anyone these rights do NOT change.

The basis of the claim by the owners of land is against those in possession, and most of them are EU nationals and therefore vulnerable to court actions in the EU. The same goes for those who are not EU nationals except that in their case the legal action might take a different and longr route to get to the individual culprit.

And a final note on this term "exchange land". The term is a falsehood since there has been no voluntary exchange between owners. Its use to convince foreigners to buy is an outright fraud. In law fraud is any representation which is made knowingly and with the intention to influence the victim to part with his money.

So if the Orams and others like them want their money back, that is their solution, sue those that defrauded them by asserting that the land was "exchange land", starting with Denktash and those two ridiculous Eurodeputies who tell expats that there is no such thing as Greek Cypriot land in the north anymore.

And those thinking of buying should do well to read the tourist leaflet published by the TCs on ancient Lambousa. The inhabitants of Lambousa buried their valuables to avoid looting in the 7th century. Three hundred years later they came back and dug them up. Never forget the tenacity of Cypriots!

Nikitas...the term exchange land in "trnc" speak does not mean an exchange with the owner. It means that this land was given to someone with land in the south, the "trnc" govt has taken this land in the south from this individual and given them GC land in the north.

Thus the exchange apprently is between the "trnc" and the tc. I assume this to make sure that any individual actions and tc's might be considering are limited, since the occupation regime now owns most of the tc land in the south.

Errr, not my mother's land and they never will.!

[DT.]

The argument that it is all the fault of the GCs who hijacked the RoC etc is nonsense. The foundation is the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS and this has nothing to do with the RoC and politics.

The rights ot the owners are protected by the Convention of Human Rights and no matter what the RoC did to anyone these rights do NOT change.

The basis of the claim by the owners of land is against those in possession, and most of them are EU nationals and therefore vulnerable to court actions in the EU. The same goes for those who are not EU nationals except that in their case the legal action might take a different and longr route to get to the individual culprit.

And a final note on this term "exchange land". The term is a falsehood since there has been no voluntary exchange between owners. Its use to convince foreigners to buy is an outright fraud. In law fraud is any representation which is made knowingly and with the intention to influence the victim to part with his money.

So if the Orams and others like them want their money back, that is their solution, sue those that defrauded them by asserting that the land was "exchange land", starting with Denktash and those two ridiculous Eurodeputies who tell expats that there is no such thing as Greek Cypriot land in the north anymore.

And those thinking of buying should do well to read the tourist leaflet published by the TCs on ancient Lambousa. The inhabitants of Lambousa buried their valuables to avoid looting in the 7th century. Three hundred years later they came back and dug them up. Never forget the tenacity of Cypriots!

Nikitas...the term exchange land in "trnc" speak does not mean an exchange with the owner. It means that this land was given to someone with land in the south, the "trnc" govt has taken this land in the south from this individual and given them GC land in the north.

Thus the exchange apprently is between the "trnc" and the tc. I assume this to make sure that any individual actions and tc's might be considering are limited, since the occupation regime now owns most of the tc land in the south.

Errr, not my mother's land and they never will.!

you didn't get your allowance of gc land either Kiks

[Kikapu]

The argument that it is all the fault of the GCs who hijacked the RoC etc is nonsense. The foundation is the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS and this has nothing to do with the RoC and politics.

The rights ot the owners are protected by the Convention of Human Rights and no matter what the RoC did to anyone these rights do NOT change.

The basis of the claim by the owners of land is against those in possession, and most of them are EU nationals and therefore vulnerable to court actions in the EU. The same goes for those who are not EU nationals except that in their case the legal action might take a different and longr route to get to the individual culprit.

And a final note on this term "exchange land". The term is a falsehood since there has been no voluntary exchange between owners. Its use to convince foreigners to buy is an outright fraud. In law fraud is any representation which is made knowingly and with the intention to influence the victim to part with his money.

So if the Orams and others like them want their money back, that is their solution, sue those that defrauded them by asserting that the land was "exchange land", starting with Denktash and those two ridiculous Eurodeputies who tell expats that there is no such thing as Greek Cypriot land in the north anymore.

And those thinking of buying should do well to read the tourist leaflet published by the TCs on ancient Lambousa. The inhabitants of Lambousa buried their valuables to avoid looting in the 7th century. Three hundred years later they came back and dug them up. Never forget the tenacity of Cypriots!

Nikitas...the term exchange land in "trnc" speak does not mean an exchange with the owner. It means that this land was given to someone with land in the south, the "trnc" govt has taken this land in the south from this individual and given them GC land in the north.

Thus the exchange apprently is between the "trnc" and the tc. I assume this to make sure that any individual actions and tc's might be considering are limited, since the occupation regime now owns most of the tc land in the south.

Errr, not my mother's land and they never will.!

you didn't get your allowance of gc land either Kiks

No, I did not, but look on the bright side, that I will not be expecting any knocks on my door anytime soon from any GC's refugees either.!

[DT.]

I'd really like to get you elected President of the ROC someday and let them suffer a little more by having a tc President after them.

[Kikapu]

I'd really like to get you elected President of the ROC someday and let them suffer a little more by having a tc President after them.

Thanks for the thought, DT, but as a President of the RoC, I would like to guide the TC's from a "Corrupted Society" into a True Democracy and not make them suffer. They have been suffering long enough with leaders such a Denktash for way too long. If not aloud, but silently. It will take a lot of the burden off their shoulders to be living in an "Honest Society" once again. That would be my mission for the TC's. As for the GC's, I will have a mission for them also.!

[DT.]

I'd really like to get you elected President of the ROC someday and let them suffer a little more by having a tc President after them.

Thanks for the thought, DT, but as a President of the RoC, I would like to guide the TC's from a "Corrupted Society" into a True Democracy and not make them suffer. They have been suffering long enough with leaders such a Denktash for way too long. If not aloud, but silently. It will take a lot of the burden off their shoulders to be living in an "Honest Society" once again. That would be my mission for the TC's. As for the GC's, I will have a mission for them also.!

i meant the expats who bought "exchange" land but I like your strategy too.

[Kikapu]

I'd really like to get you elected President of the ROC someday and let them suffer a little more by having a tc President after them.

Thanks for the thought, DT, but as a President of the RoC, I would like to guide the TC's from a "Corrupted Society" into a True Democracy and not make them suffer. They have been suffering long enough with leaders such a Denktash for way too long. If not aloud, but silently. It will take a lot of the burden off their shoulders to be living in an "Honest Society" once again. That would be my mission for the TC's. As for the GC's, I will have a mission for them also.!

i meant the expats who bought "exchange" land but I like your strategy too.

Oh, that will be a given, so don't worry about that.!

When it comes to morally corrupted individuals, I do not discriminate who they are or what they are. They will all get Kikapu's equal treatment.!