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[Sotos]

So you say the British justice system will take political decisions? I will not be very surprised but I wouldn't count on it if I were you.

[bill cobbett]

Er...VP, can you give us some examples where GB hasn't enforced ECJ rulings please.

[bill cobbett]

Anyway, whilst vp is pondering the errors of his ways and the propagandist, partitionist pollocks we've come to expect from him/her....

Would it come as a surprise to find out that the RoC has data on who has illegally traded in the stolen land scam? All it would take to find out is a few cartons of Marlborough or a few designer hand-bags to someone on the inside, in the tnct "land registry".

[DT.]

Anyway, whilst vp is pondering the errors of his ways and the propagandist, partitionist pollocks we've come to expect from him/her....

Would it come as a surprise to find out that the RoC has data on who has illegally traded in the stolen land scam? All it would take to find out is a few cartons of Marlborough or a few designer hand-bags to someone on the inside, in the tnct "land registry".

KYP know perfectly well who has bought what.

[bill cobbett]

Anyway, whilst vp is pondering the errors of his ways and the propagandist, partitionist pollocks we've come to expect from him/her....

Would it come as a surprise to find out that the RoC has data on who has illegally traded in the stolen land scam? All it would take to find out is a few cartons of Marlborough or a few designer hand-bags to someone on the inside, in the tnct "land registry".

KYP know perfectly well who has bought what.

Say no more squire. ........ ..........

[Kikapu]

Do you think the UK system will allow you to enforce your "ruling", they will tie you up in knots and what will it change? how many GCs will go home?

Stop trying to protect these low lives, VP. I know in doing so, you are trying to protect some of your low life friends and family members also, but don't think for a second, that British courts are going to go against these laws approved by the ECJ, so to protect morally corrupted individuals. For what reason. Does the British government set free any criminal that is found guilty in other courtiers and then transferred to Britain. Hell NO. They serve their time for the crimes they have committed, only in jails in Britain and not abroad, for some.

The dye has been cast for these people, because soon or later, peace or no peace, partition or no partition, the north will want to be in the EU along with Turkey, and which ever one comes first, all these low lives will get theirs at that time, if not sooner. You should be mad at these people for trying to hold the TC's back for a better future, instead you are trying to protect these low lives.. How desperate are you by trying to protect these fools, or are you also worried, that the new enforcement laws will effect you also, and if you have done what the rest of these low lives have done, then you have it coming also. If so, happy sleepless nights. You have earned it so don’t blame others for passing a judgement on all the low lives who bought and sold stolen GC lands..!

Kikapu I am not worried at all, I am amused at they way you think a few UN EU decisions will change the dynamics of the problem, the Brits have not forgotten who their friends and enemies were back in 1960s..they will tie you up in knots...there is a very strong lobbying group here in the TRNC. What really interests me is, is that you feel you have a victory and that it will change everythign but are unable to see when andhow it will be implimented and what the real reprecussions will be to the side you have taken which is clearly GC.

What really interests me is, is that you feel you have a victory and that it will change everythign but are unable to see when andhow it will be implimented and what the real reprecussions will be to the side you have taken which is clearly GC.!

The only side I take and have taken is the Rule of Law, that's all, regardless which community wishes to live by those International Laws.

Kikapu I am not worried at all, I am amused at they way you think a few UN EU decisions will change the dynamics of the problem, the Brits have not forgotten who their friends and enemies were back in 1960s..they will tie you up in knots...there is a very strong lobbying group here in the TRNC.

Will you please give it a rest with this nonsense of what a lobbying group the Brits have in the "trnc" that the British Government is going to bow to them. Just for your information, for every 1 Brit in the "trnc", there must be 10 Brits in the RoC, so lets not get carried away who the British think who their friends are. Most of the Brits in the north are TC's, just like yourself who does not have very nice thing to say about the UK . You people do not even pay any taxes in the UK, so why the hell should the British Government care what happens to you people. If the British citizens break the laws of another country, then they will have to deal with it alone. The only help you can expect from the British Government, is to make sure your rights are protected, that's all. They are not going to get you off the hook.

[Viewpoint]

Er...VP, can you give us some examples where GB hasn't enforced ECJ rulings please.

This is a totally different kettle of fish, 10.000 Brits own property in the TRNC and there are around 200.000 TC Brits who have invested in the TRNC, can you really see a wholesale witch hunt and prosecution of these people by their own government??? they will protest and tie this ruling up in knots which will mean no action until a solution. Enjoy your psycological victory as it will bear no fruit just like those before it...over time it will fizzle out and have to wait for a solution to which TCs have 50% of the say.

[Viewpoint]

Anyway, whilst vp is pondering the errors of his ways and the propagandist, partitionist pollocks we've come to expect from him/her....

Would it come as a surprise to find out that the RoC has data on who has illegally traded in the stolen land scam? All it would take to find out is a few cartons of Marlborough or a few designer hand-bags to someone on the inside, in the tnct "land registry".

I am a him so that for your information use it if you wish.

How long do will it take for you to be disheartened that nothing will come of this ruling if indeed is goes against the Orams?

[Viewpoint]

Do you think the UK system will allow you to enforce your "ruling", they will tie you up in knots and what will it change? how many GCs will go home?

Stop trying to protect these low lives, VP. I know in doing so, you are trying to protect some of your low life friends and family members also, but don't think for a second, that British courts are going to go against these laws approved by the ECJ, so to protect morally corrupted individuals. For what reason. Does the British government set free any criminal that is found guilty in other courtiers and then transferred to Britain. Hell NO. They serve their time for the crimes they have committed, only in jails in Britain and not abroad, for some.

The dye has been cast for these people, because soon or later, peace or no peace, partition or no partition, the north will want to be in the EU along with Turkey, and which ever one comes first, all these low lives will get theirs at that time, if not sooner. You should be mad at these people for trying to hold the TC's back for a better future, instead you are trying to protect these low lives.. How desperate are you by trying to protect these fools, or are you also worried, that the new enforcement laws will effect you also, and if you have done what the rest of these low lives have done, then you have it coming also. If so, happy sleepless nights. You have earned it so don’t blame others for passing a judgement on all the low lives who bought and sold stolen GC lands..!

Kikapu I am not worried at all, I am amused at they way you think a few UN EU decisions will change the dynamics of the problem, the Brits have not forgotten who their friends and enemies were back in 1960s..they will tie you up in knots...there is a very strong lobbying group here in the TRNC. What really interests me is, is that you feel you have a victory and that it will change everythign but are unable to see when andhow it will be implimented and what the real reprecussions will be to the side you have taken which is clearly GC.

What really interests me is, is that you feel you have a victory and that it will change everythign but are unable to see when andhow it will be implimented and what the real reprecussions will be to the side you have taken which is clearly GC.!

The only side I take and have taken is the Rule of Law, that's all, regardless which community wishes to live by those International Laws.

Kikapu I am not worried at all, I am amused at they way you think a few UN EU decisions will change the dynamics of the problem, the Brits have not forgotten who their friends and enemies were back in 1960s..they will tie you up in knots...there is a very strong lobbying group here in the TRNC.

Will you please give it a rest with this nonsense of what a lobbying group the Brits have in the "trnc" that the British Government is going to bow to them. Just for your information, for every 1 Brit in the "trnc", there must be 10 Brits in the RoC, so lets not get carried away who the British think who their friends are. Most of the Brits in the north are TC's, just like yourself who does not have very nice thing to say about the UK . You people do not even pay any taxes in the UK, so why the hell should the British Government care what happens to you people. If the British citizens break the laws of another country, then they will have to deal with it alone. The only help you can expect from the British Government, is to make sure your rights are protected, that's all. They are not going to get you off the hook.

The ties between the Brits and the TCs are much stronger than those in the south as we fought together and died together at the end of GC guns. The Brits in the south do not have anything to lobby about so the numbers dont make any difference. The numbers of Brtis who are not citizens of the TRNC is very high and they all pay taxes in the UK so they have every right to lobby the UK government some are even ex MPs and Barristers who carry a lot of weight, You are clearly not knowledgable about the TRNC as you have never been here to understand that the Brits here are mainly Brits unlike myself who is TC in origin although our numbers are also ,ncreasing it is nowhere near those of the expats who are 100% pro Denktaş and 100% anti GC.

How long will you take for you to understand what I am saying is right and that even if this ruling goes against the Orams nothing will actually change, nothing will be enforced and everything will be linked to a comprehensive solution???

[tessintrnc]

Looking at the latest "property scandals" in the local papers, it seems that many of the people who bought their so called exchange land properties don't and probably won't ever own them anyway. Even some of the most "prestigeous" sites have been exposed as heavily mortgaged, and as such individual deeds will never be issued!! So who owns the land according to the TRNC government? And who will be "brought to book"? The people who:
A) Bought the villa/apartment
B) The contractor who built the properties
C) The banks who have up to 70% mortage claims on the land

These people who bought the properties cannot get their deeds, so why bother taking these individuals to court, when officially they don't and are not likely to ever "own" the property, who in their turn will be taking the contractor (the seller) to court? The bank owns most of the land they are built on, so can the (Turkish) banks be brought to court? Puts a different slant on things, and the Orams case will pale into insignificance when you take on the major banks won't it? ın the long run, it may not be a return of land that is possible, but sadly, an acceptance of compensation from Turkey herself. What a mess.