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[AWE]

Palio,

CL is right. There are forces in Turkey that do not want full EU membership, also many that do but it is only with full EU membership that they will withdraw the troops.

If France, Austria or Cyprus veto Turkish EU membership, Turkey can say ok - we have access to the EU market but without the EU red tape (EU or EEA membership) that is a strong competitive advantage and can continue as is. Remember something like less than 0.3% of the annual tax revenue in Turkey is spent supporting the TRNC including military.

Given the recent growth in Turkey of between 6-7% per annum and even in the current downturn growth is continuing so that by the time they are ready to join the EU the cost of keeping the TRNC afloat with be minimal.

the only way to remove the troops is thought politics which means EU membership and all the rules etc that go with it.

[paliometoxo]

yes thats true not everyone in turkey wants to see eu no matter what the goverment does to join...

i believe the opposite would happen they would say bye if allowed to join which is why they are in a rush to blackmail and tell the eu to forget cyprus... if this was such an advantage for them eu market without the red tape they wouldent be trying to hard to join europe they would be happy as it is.

[Cem]

turkey should be more concerned about solving the problem NOW not later because later means it wont be solved at ALL gul is full of shit there wont be any solution later if they are allowed into eu they will turn round and say f off.. and turkey is having problems and is desperate for eu and they wont accept anything in cyprus but partition...

cyprus should just veto them already until the cy problem is solved

I'll not comment on the Cyprus question but you are so mistaken Paliometoxo about Turkey and the EU. There are powerful interests, including within AKP, who do not want to join the EU. For these guys Turkey has got as much as it wants from accession negotiations and so how Cyprus may or may not be used as a bargaining chip is not at all clear or given.

Copper.

I wonder even if all on the turkish side unanimously agree to join EU, even if CypRob is solved, even if Armenian genocide is recognized, even if kurdish issue is resolved, will EU let her in ??? Hardly think so...
Turkey is quite a populous country, with a backward infrastructure, and a very high unemployment rate, problematic and terror-prone neighbours such as Iran & Iraq &Syria. Moreover, It would require a tremendous amount of financial sources to revitalize her moribund economy whereas EU itself has been trying hard to pull through the crisis and save her own ass.
Still, for those who naively believe in this, can we then set a date for EU membership ?
Like February 30'th of any year whatsoever...

[paliometoxo]

30th of the year never maybe

[CopperLine]

Cem,
You might be right. Do current EU states want Turkey as a member ? Is it better for them to have Turkey as a special non-member state ? Broadly is it better to have Turkey inside the tent pissing out or outside the tent pissing in ? Fair questions. But whatever the answers may be there's a separate question which has a number of ambiguous answers. Does Turkey - that is the governing elites or ruling class - even want to join the EU ? Some do, some don't. There's an internal battle going on, as you know, and to that extent it is not clear and fixed how Cyprus features as a bargaining chip to be paid at some time or other by those who want to join the Union; or a 'national asset' never to be given up by those who have no wish to join the Union.

I think it mistaken for RoCypriots (and others) to assume that they themselves have a bargaining chip - 'Turkey, settle the Cyprus question or you don't get in the EU' - to be used at the most effective moment. That bargaining chip may be nothing more, to use current terminology, than a 'toxic asset'.

[Cem]

Cem,
You might be right. Do current EU states want Turkey as a member ? Is it better for them to have Turkey as a special non-member state ? Broadly is it better to have Turkey inside the tent pissing out or outside the tent pissing in ? Fair questions. But whatever the answers may be there's a separate question which has a number of ambiguous answers. Does Turkey - that is the governing elites or ruling class - even want to join the EU ? Some do, some don't. There's an internal battle going on, as you know, and to that extent it is not clear and fixed how Cyprus features as a bargaining chip to be paid at some time or other by those who want to join the Union; or a 'national asset' never to be given up by those who have no wish to join the Union.

I think it mistaken for RoCypriots (and others) to assume that they themselves have a bargaining chip - 'Turkey, settle the Cyprus question or you don't get in the EU' - to be used at the most effective moment. That bargaining chip may be nothing more, to use current terminology, than a 'toxic asset'.

No problem with that, I quite agree with you. You are looking at the Turkish side while I am looking at the EU side.

Obviously, the capability and power of RoC is quite asymmetrical. That is, RoC can block Turkey's entry in the event of a discord with her allright. However, she doesn't have enough power by itself to promote Turkey's accession either, even if Turkey goes along her way and makes things easy for her.
I think, there has been serious divergences between RoC and other member states such as Germany and France. regarding the timing and synchronization of policies vis-a-vis Turkey. France in particular, has taken at the outset such a hostile attitude towards Turkey on issues such as Armenian genocide to the extent of screwing up the " carrot and stick policy" devised by Greece and RoC to be used in CyProb issue.

[Sotos]

Turkey and Turkish Cypriots have already done their share for a peaceful settlement of this issue.

Bollocks. Turks have done everything to create the Cyprus problem and they refuse to obey UN resolutions and end their illegal occupation of Cyprus. A country which is illegally occupying EU soil has no place in EU.

[ahristos]

I M SURE EVEN IF 24 CAUNTRIES SAY YES TO TURKEY FOR ENTRY IN EU
IF IN CYPRUS DONT HAPPENT ANY SOLUTION
CYPRUS GONNA BLOCK NEGOTIATIONS AND ENTRY IN EU
OF TURKEY
NOW WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR TURKS CYPRUS INVATION WHO COST MONEY OR
GOOD RELATIONS WITH EUROPE AND POSIBLE ENTRY END MONEY OF EU

[insan]

I M SURE EVEN IF 24 CAUNTRIES SAY YES TO TURKEY FOR ENTRY IN EU
IF IN CYPRUS DONT HAPPENT ANY SOLUTION
CYPRUS GONNA BLOCK NEGOTIATIONS AND ENTRY IN EU
OF TURKEY
NOW WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR TURKS CYPRUS INVATION WHO COST MONEY OR
GOOD RELATIONS WITH EUROPE AND POSIBLE ENTRY END MONEY OF EU

not possibell.

[EPSILON]

What Gul means that they would remove Cyprus issue either by unifying Cyprus based on political equality or partition it to 2 seperate states. So don't get much excited on ur misinterpretations.

Agreement was Cyprus to enter EU on basis G/cs sign ANNAN plan.Finally Cyprus became member and G/cs rejected the plan.
When time arrives it will be agreed that Turkey withdraw its army from Cyprus on basis it will be accepted as member in EU.Army will be withdrawn but Turkey will not be finally accepted - I emphasize the word "accepted" since Turks politicians still consider this membership as an obligation of EU and not, as it realy is -an application by Turkey!!!

I feel that some-very rare times- Greek politicians, can play the game very well!!!!