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[DT.]

You mean the following:

Points 3 and 10 are the parts (well, at least two) that first kicked it all off for the Turkish Cypriots, I guess!


1. The right of veto of the President and the Vice-President of the Republic to be abandoned.

2. The Vice-President of the Republic to deputise for the President of the Republic in case of his temporary absence or in capacity to perform his duties.

3. The Greek President of the House of Representatives and the Turkish Vice-President to be elected by the House as a whole and not as at present the President by the Greek Members of the House and the Vice-President by the Turkish Members of the House.

4. The Vice-President of the House of Representatives to deputise for the President of the House in case of his temporary absence or incapacity to perform his duties.

5. The constitutional provisions regarding separate majorities for enactment of certain laws by the House of Representatives to be abolished.

6. Unified Municipalities to be established.

7. The administration of Justice to be unified.

8. The division of the Security Forces into Police and Gendarmerie to be abolished.

9. The numerical strength of the Security Forces and of the Defence Forces to be determined by a Law.

10. The proportion of the participation of Greek and Turkish Cypriots in the composition of the Public Service and the Forces of the Republic to be modified in proportion to the ratio of the population of Greek and Turkish-Cypriots.

11. The number of the Members of the Public Service Commission to be reduced from ten to five.

12. All decisions of the Public Service Commission to be taken by simple majority.

13. The Greek Communal Chamber to be abolished.


Smooth Running! I don't think so! Point 10 in particular is a clear indication of Greek Cypriot "Majority" dominance of the Turkish Cypriots.

and your problem with No 10 was god forbid you actually get reresentation in govt that your population deserves?

What makes you happy MrH? How many GC's should equal 1 TC? How many more votes should the chosen people get?

[kurupetos]

Cyprus doesn’t need any military guarantees from foreigners, given her 14,000 strong National Guard and 90,000 strong reservists that could easily increase to around 20,000 soldiers and 150,000 reservists if TCs, Armenians, and Maronites were to be included as they should. That’s more than enough to deter most adventurers from wondering in this direction with bad intentions.

What about mandatory female conscription for say 6-months? That would double that number! Moreover it would increase the soldiers' moral fortitude!

[Get Real!]

Cyprus doesn’t need any military guarantees from foreigners, given her 14,000 strong National Guard and 90,000 strong reservists that could easily increase to around 20,000 soldiers and 150,000 reservists if TCs, Armenians, and Maronites were to be included as they should. That’s more than enough to deter most adventurers from wondering in this direction with bad intentions.

What about mandatory female conscription for say 6-months? That would double that number! Moreover it would increase the soldiers' moral fortitude!

We already have career females in the NG! They're great for relieving men from admin duties so they can be used in combative roles.

Btw, many are very ugly so moral can go the other way...

[CBBB]

Cyprus doesn’t need any military guarantees from foreigners, given her 14,000 strong National Guard and 90,000 strong reservists that could easily increase to around 20,000 soldiers and 150,000 reservists if TCs, Armenians, and Maronites were to be included as they should. That’s more than enough to deter most adventurers from wondering in this direction with bad intentions.

What about mandatory female conscription for say 6-months? That would double that number! Moreover it would increase the soldiers' moral fortitude!

We already have career females in the NG! They're great for relieving men from admin duties so they can be used in combative roles.

Btw, many are very ugly so moral can go the other way...

I wondered what they did!

[Get Real!]

Cyprus doesn’t need any military guarantees from foreigners, given her 14,000 strong National Guard and 90,000 strong reservists that could easily increase to around 20,000 soldiers and 150,000 reservists if TCs, Armenians, and Maronites were to be included as they should. That’s more than enough to deter most adventurers from wondering in this direction with bad intentions.

What about mandatory female conscription for say 6-months? That would double that number! Moreover it would increase the soldiers' moral fortitude!

We already have career females in the NG! They're great for relieving men from admin duties so they can be used in combative roles.

Btw, many are very ugly so moral can go the other way...

I wondered what they did!

Yeah, that sounded kinda kinky...

[Simon]

I would accept the 1960 Constitution on the condition that the TC veto can ONLY be used where TCs are being specifically discriminated against, and not to paralyse the government.

If the guarantor rights are to remain, they must be strengthened, so that if there is ever another occupation of Cyprus by one of the guarantors or any other state, the others MUST intervene to end the occupation as soon as possible.

The 1960 Constitution is miles better than the Annan Plan, for starters, every GC would be able to return to their properties.

[Jerry]

NO

The 1960 Constitution did not create a sovereign State since it "legally" allowed other States to interfere in its business.

It was not democratic, some of its citizens votes were worth more than others.

Solution

Arbitration, ask a body such as the EHCR to appoint a commission to write a new constitution.

Guess what - Turkey would never agree such a move because it's a fair and just way to solve the problem.

[runaway]

If the guarantor rights are to remain, they must be strengthened, so that if there is ever another occupation of Cyprus by one of the guarantors or any other state, the others MUST intervene to end the occupation as soon as possible.
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I would be delighted to see Greece intervene. But we know their cowardness would avoid that.

[insan]

NO

The 1960 Constitution did not create a sovereign State since it "legally" allowed other States to interfere in its business.

It was not democratic, some of its citizens votes were worth more than others.

Solution

Arbitration, ask a body such as the EHCR to appoint a commission to write a new constitution.

Guess what - Turkey would never agree such a move because it's a fair and just way to solve the problem.

We well know what u call fair... Giving TCs a minority status... In most of the ex-Ottoman lands Turks accepted to be a minority. In some of them they fought for freedom and established their seperate states and in some others they managed to have autonomous government.

In Cyprus, TCs have been struggling not to be a minority for more than 100 years. Our priority has always been a common state based on political eaquality of 2 communities which was determined by western alliance; according to the feasibility, balance of powers and stability of western alliance.

In age of globalization one state is either in alliance or not. If u chose to be in alliance, either by joining EU or NATO or both; it requires u to contribute the interests of alliance.

In western alliance, while right wing political parties and interest groups have an aspiration to contribute all kinds of capitalistic interests of alliance; left wing political parties and interests groups usually r against most of the approachments and plans of right wing ideology.

In such a case, the dominant right wing political parties and interest groups begin pressurizing the left wing political parties and interest groups and the situation is labeled as an interference to internal affairs by left wing. However it's not an internal affair, it's an international affair that is binded with the interests of big bosses of globalizing world. Only a left wing political party can label the situation as an interference to internal affairs.

In our region, Turks and Hellenes must reconcile and establish a sub alliance based on economic, militaristic and socio-cultural elements. That's what primarily US and most of the other NATO states push 2 countries for...

Under such a circumstance, I'm sure we can share the legislative and judicial powers equally without any fears of each other and fierce rivalry that might cause inter-communal or international strives.

[Jerry]

NO

The 1960 Constitution did not create a sovereign State since it "legally" allowed other States to interfere in its business.

It was not democratic, some of its citizens votes were worth more than others.

Solution

Arbitration, ask a body such as the EHCR to appoint a commission to write a new constitution.

Guess what - Turkey would never agree such a move because it's a fair and just way to solve the problem.

We well know what u call fair... Giving TCs a minority status... In most of the ex-Ottoman lands Turks accepted to be a minority. In some of them they fought for freedom and established their seperate states and in some others they managed to have autonomous government.

In Cyprus, TCs have been struggling not to be a minority for more than 100 years. Our priority has always been a common state based on political eaquality of 2 communities which was determined by western alliance; according to the feasibility, balance of powers and stability of western alliance.

In age of globalization one state is either in alliance or not. If u chose to be in alliance, either by joining EU or NATO or both; it requires u to contribute the interests of alliance.

In western alliance, while right wing political parties and interest groups have an aspiration to contribute all kinds of capitalistic interests of alliance; left wing political parties and interests groups usually r against most of the approachments and plans of right wing ideology.

In such a case, the dominant right wing political parties and interest groups begin pressurizing the left wing political parties and interest groups and the situation is labeled as an interference to internal affairs by left wing. However it's not an internal affair, it's an international affair that is binded with the interests of big bosses of globalizing world. Only a left wing political party can label the situation as an interference to internal affairs.

In our region, Turks and Hellenes must reconcile and establish a sub alliance based on economic, militaristic and socio-cultural elements. That's what primarily US and most of the other NATO states push 2 countries for...

Under such a circumstance, I'm sure we can share the legislative and judicial powers equally without any fears of each other and fierce rivalry that might cause inter-communal or international strives.

Go back to school and pay attention in arithmetic lessons, 18% is a minority. You don't allow Kurds or Armenians equal community status in Turkey, why should you be treated differently in Cyprus.

The rest of your post is incomprehensible gibberish to me, I can't be bothered to try and understand it.