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[Kikapu]

just like turkey is trying to join eu... if turkey does not allow cyprus to join nato why should cyporus allow turkey to join eu ? both can use their veto until a solution is found

This is very simplistic. I would agree that the ROC would have massive leverage over turkey if the rest of the EU was dying to take turkey overnight and the ROC was the only reason it couldnt join. TUrkey would probably conceed to a lot of your demands during negotiations if that was the case. But given the vast majority of the EU public is wary to turkey entering, france and austria as well as the netherlands being openly against it and have now put a public referendum in place for any such possibility turkeys gates into the EU have long been shut and turkey understands this full well. ANy EU talk by AKP is for public consumption only and most editorial comments in the major newspapers aside from idiots like mehmet ali birand also recognise this. Even those optimistic are giving dates such as 2020-2025 before any eventual accession. Your veto with all these constraints for membership is worthless. If anything cyprus will be used as a tool for when 2020 or 2025 does come for negotiations. At that point in time we will be discussing an event that happened 51 years ago since 74 and approximately 60 years since 63. You will be begging for the annan plan then. Unless of course getreal starts using proteinmax with his workouts and then singlehandedly takes back the north before that date. In that case you still wont need your veto.



Insan- for the new voting scheme to pass every member has to accept that canadian proposal. Turkey and greece aint accepting that mate.

Beg for the Annan plan for what reason? Just to have gotten only 7% of the scrappiest land you currently occupy, and which would have been of no much use to us; and in exchange to have given you the ownership and the status of a co-founding state on 30% of the best part of Cyprus (55% of the coastlines,) as well as EU access and a 50% sharing of all the privileges that we now control and enjoy alone, as the RoC? Don't you think we are a bit smarter than that?

Maraş scrappy??? Güzelyurt scrappy?? you talk as it suits.

I second viewpoint besides he forgot that up to 20% of TC state would have consisted by GCs.

As foreigners in their own country without any political rights in the TC state which Turkish must be spoken to get any government jobs, and only after paying allegiance to Ataturk, of course.! Oh, almost forgot. They could not sell their land to another GC or leave it in their inheritance to their families, but the Brits and any other foreign national could. Those damn 30,000 GC's missed out on a good thing by saying OXI to the AP.!

Had TPAP genuinely negotiated they could have got political rights just like how TCs would have got political rights in federal government. Where did u invent that Turkis must have been spoken to get any government jobs? Why any GC or TC should pay allegiance to Ataturk in order to get any government jobs? Selling their land or leaving it in their inheritence could also have been solved by genuinely negotiating. It's irrational to deprive them from those rights. What crucial is keeping the political equality of 2 constituent states based on 2 communities until we manage to fully and safely get mixed island wide.

I did not think one had to negotiate to get their basic fundamental rights in a Democracy, such as Democratic and Human Rights. Perhaps PapaD thought such details were given and were not meant to be negotiated. Why is it, that several undemocratic and Human Rights violations on the GC's were so easily accepted by the TC's rather than refuse to accept them as being unfair. Do you really need to be told Insan, the difference between RIGHT and WRONG, or do you want to blame it on others, for not asking for those rights. So, no political equality in the TC state, GC properties cannot be sold to other GC's or left for their families in a will, Turkish needed to be spoken along giving allegiance to Attaturk to get a job in the TC state government (ask VP to confirm this if you don't believe me), and many more violations of ones basic Human Rights and you want to blame all these racist Human Rights violations on the GC's to PapaD for not negotiating in good faith. Lets just say that he did not negotiate in good faith because he thought the whole AP was stacked up against his people, which it was, but what is your excuse for the TC's in having all these racist Human Rights violations against the GC's in the AP in first place. It is almost like every time a husband beats the crap out of his wife, he blames her for making him do it to her. Is this your understanding also, Insan, because judging from your above excuses as to why so many Racist proposals were in the final AP, you would take the battering husbands side over the wife's, just because the wife did not say to the husband "please don't beat me up", therefore it gave him the right to beat her up.! Nice going, Insan.!

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just like turkey is trying to join eu... if turkey does not allow cyprus to join nato why should cyporus allow turkey to join eu ? both can use their veto until a solution is found

This is very simplistic. I would agree that the ROC would have massive leverage over turkey if the rest of the EU was dying to take turkey overnight and the ROC was the only reason it couldnt join. TUrkey would probably conceed to a lot of your demands during negotiations if that was the case. But given the vast majority of the EU public is wary to turkey entering, france and austria as well as the netherlands being openly against it and have now put a public referendum in place for any such possibility turkeys gates into the EU have long been shut and turkey understands this full well. ANy EU talk by AKP is for public consumption only and most editorial comments in the major newspapers aside from idiots like mehmet ali birand also recognise this. Even those optimistic are giving dates such as 2020-2025 before any eventual accession. Your veto with all these constraints for membership is worthless. If anything cyprus will be used as a tool for when 2020 or 2025 does come for negotiations. At that point in time we will be discussing an event that happened 51 years ago since 74 and approximately 60 years since 63. You will be begging for the annan plan then. Unless of course getreal starts using proteinmax with his workouts and then singlehandedly takes back the north before that date. In that case you still wont need your veto.



Insan- for the new voting scheme to pass every member has to accept that canadian proposal. Turkey and greece aint accepting that mate.

Beg for the Annan plan for what reason? Just to have gotten only 7% of the scrappiest land you currently occupy, and which would have been of no much use to us; and in exchange to have given you the ownership and the status of a co-founding state on 30% of the best part of Cyprus (55% of the coastlines,) as well as EU access and a 50% sharing of all the privileges that we now control and enjoy alone, as the RoC? Don't you think we are a bit smarter than that?

Maraş scrappy??? Güzelyurt scrappy?? you talk as it suits.

I second viewpoint besides he forgot that up to 20% of TC state would have consisted by GCs.

As foreigners in their own country without any political rights in the TC state which Turkish must be spoken to get any government jobs, and only after paying allegiance to Ataturk, of course.! Oh, almost forgot. They could not sell their land to another GC or leave it in their inheritance to their families, but the Brits and any other foreign national could. Those damn 30,000 GC's missed out on a good thing by saying OXI to the AP.!

Had TPAP genuinely negotiated they could have got political rights just like how TCs would have got political rights in federal government. Where did u invent that Turkis must have been spoken to get any government jobs? Why any GC or TC should pay allegiance to Ataturk in order to get any government jobs? Selling their land or leaving it in their inheritence could also have been solved by genuinely negotiating. It's irrational to deprive them from those rights. What crucial is keeping the political equality of 2 constituent states based on 2 communities until we manage to fully and safely get mixed island wide.

I did not think one had to negotiate to get their basic fundamental rights in a Democracy, such as Democratic and Human Rights. Perhaps PapaD thought such details were given and were not meant to be negotiated. Why is it, that several undemocratic and Human Rights violations on the GC's were so easily accepted by the TC's rather than refuse to accept them as being unfair. Do you really need to be told Insan, the difference between RIGHT and WRONG, or do you want to blame it on others, for not asking for those rights. So, no political equality in the TC state, GC properties cannot be sold to other GC's or left for their families in a will, Turkish needed to be spoken along giving allegiance to Attaturk to get a job in the TC state government (ask VP to confirm this if you don't believe me), and many more violations of ones basic Human Rights and you want to blame all these racist Human Rights violations on the GC's to PapaD for not negotiating in good faith. Lets just say that he did not negotiate in good faith because he thought the whole AP was stacked up against his people, which it was, but what is your excuse for the TC's in having all these racist Human Rights violations against the GC's in the AP in first place. It is almost like every time a husband beats the crap out of his wife, he blames her for making him do it to her. Is this your understanding also, Insan, because judging from your above excuses as to why so many Racist proposals were in the final AP, you would take the battering husbands side over the wife's, just because the wife did not say to the husband "please don't beat me up", therefore it gave him the right to beat her up.! Nice going, Insan.!

Did the EU and UN back the AP?

Do you want us to trust the EU and UN?

[Kikapu]

just like turkey is trying to join eu... if turkey does not allow cyprus to join nato why should cyporus allow turkey to join eu ? both can use their veto until a solution is found

This is very simplistic. I would agree that the ROC would have massive leverage over turkey if the rest of the EU was dying to take turkey overnight and the ROC was the only reason it couldnt join. TUrkey would probably conceed to a lot of your demands during negotiations if that was the case. But given the vast majority of the EU public is wary to turkey entering, france and austria as well as the netherlands being openly against it and have now put a public referendum in place for any such possibility turkeys gates into the EU have long been shut and turkey understands this full well. ANy EU talk by AKP is for public consumption only and most editorial comments in the major newspapers aside from idiots like mehmet ali birand also recognise this. Even those optimistic are giving dates such as 2020-2025 before any eventual accession. Your veto with all these constraints for membership is worthless. If anything cyprus will be used as a tool for when 2020 or 2025 does come for negotiations. At that point in time we will be discussing an event that happened 51 years ago since 74 and approximately 60 years since 63. You will be begging for the annan plan then. Unless of course getreal starts using proteinmax with his workouts and then singlehandedly takes back the north before that date. In that case you still wont need your veto.



Insan- for the new voting scheme to pass every member has to accept that canadian proposal. Turkey and greece aint accepting that mate.

Beg for the Annan plan for what reason? Just to have gotten only 7% of the scrappiest land you currently occupy, and which would have been of no much use to us; and in exchange to have given you the ownership and the status of a co-founding state on 30% of the best part of Cyprus (55% of the coastlines,) as well as EU access and a 50% sharing of all the privileges that we now control and enjoy alone, as the RoC? Don't you think we are a bit smarter than that?

Maraş scrappy??? Güzelyurt scrappy?? you talk as it suits.

I second viewpoint besides he forgot that up to 20% of TC state would have consisted by GCs.

As foreigners in their own country without any political rights in the TC state which Turkish must be spoken to get any government jobs, and only after paying allegiance to Ataturk, of course.! Oh, almost forgot. They could not sell their land to another GC or leave it in their inheritance to their families, but the Brits and any other foreign national could. Those damn 30,000 GC's missed out on a good thing by saying OXI to the AP.!

Had TPAP genuinely negotiated they could have got political rights just like how TCs would have got political rights in federal government. Where did u invent that Turkis must have been spoken to get any government jobs? Why any GC or TC should pay allegiance to Ataturk in order to get any government jobs? Selling their land or leaving it in their inheritence could also have been solved by genuinely negotiating. It's irrational to deprive them from those rights. What crucial is keeping the political equality of 2 constituent states based on 2 communities until we manage to fully and safely get mixed island wide.

I did not think one had to negotiate to get their basic fundamental rights in a Democracy, such as Democratic and Human Rights. Perhaps PapaD thought such details were given and were not meant to be negotiated. Why is it, that several undemocratic and Human Rights violations on the GC's were so easily accepted by the TC's rather than refuse to accept them as being unfair. Do you really need to be told Insan, the difference between RIGHT and WRONG, or do you want to blame it on others, for not asking for those rights. So, no political equality in the TC state, GC properties cannot be sold to other GC's or left for their families in a will, Turkish needed to be spoken along giving allegiance to Attaturk to get a job in the TC state government (ask VP to confirm this if you don't believe me), and many more violations of ones basic Human Rights and you want to blame all these racist Human Rights violations on the GC's to PapaD for not negotiating in good faith. Lets just say that he did not negotiate in good faith because he thought the whole AP was stacked up against his people, which it was, but what is your excuse for the TC's in having all these racist Human Rights violations against the GC's in the AP in first place. It is almost like every time a husband beats the crap out of his wife, he blames her for making him do it to her. Is this your understanding also, Insan, because judging from your above excuses as to why so many Racist proposals were in the final AP, you would take the battering husbands side over the wife's, just because the wife did not say to the husband "please don't beat me up", therefore it gave him the right to beat her up.! Nice going, Insan.!

Did the EU and UN back the AP?

Cyprus was not in the EU, therefore the EU was willing to accept the wishes of the Cypriots in choosing what they wanted and would have accepted the outcome of the referendum, but then again, who is to say, that once Cyprus was in the EU, that they were not going to demand to make changes, assuming of course, that the EU would take the "New Cyprus" into the EU in the first place. There was a very good chance that they would have refused to take the "New Cyprus" in, on the grounds that it was only the RoC who was to be admitted and not this New Virgin Birth thing. That would have suited the NeoPartitionist very well. It would have made partition that much easier after the referendum was a "YES". As for the UN, Kofi Annan was corrupted all along and was only trying to serve the interest of the Bush administration in what ever they wanted, so that he can keep his job, since Bush was ready to dump Kofi with all the corruption with the Iraq's Oil for Food program, as well as Kofi's son's corrupted actions in Africa. Kofi was a YES man to Bush. Kofi disgraced himself with what he went along with in the AP

Do you want us to trust the EU and UN?

You can now, since everything is on the up and up, but of course, that really does not suit the interest of the NeoPartitionist. You all like it better when it's corrupted and gives you racist advantages, which you willingly accepted. You could have said "NO" to all those Racist and Democratic and Human Rights violated provisions that were in the AP, but you said NOTHING, and now you question the ethics of the UN and the EU, but not yourselves.!

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just like turkey is trying to join eu... if turkey does not allow cyprus to join nato why should cyporus allow turkey to join eu ? both can use their veto until a solution is found

This is very simplistic. I would agree that the ROC would have massive leverage over turkey if the rest of the EU was dying to take turkey overnight and the ROC was the only reason it couldnt join. TUrkey would probably conceed to a lot of your demands during negotiations if that was the case. But given the vast majority of the EU public is wary to turkey entering, france and austria as well as the netherlands being openly against it and have now put a public referendum in place for any such possibility turkeys gates into the EU have long been shut and turkey understands this full well. ANy EU talk by AKP is for public consumption only and most editorial comments in the major newspapers aside from idiots like mehmet ali birand also recognise this. Even those optimistic are giving dates such as 2020-2025 before any eventual accession. Your veto with all these constraints for membership is worthless. If anything cyprus will be used as a tool for when 2020 or 2025 does come for negotiations. At that point in time we will be discussing an event that happened 51 years ago since 74 and approximately 60 years since 63. You will be begging for the annan plan then. Unless of course getreal starts using proteinmax with his workouts and then singlehandedly takes back the north before that date. In that case you still wont need your veto.



Insan- for the new voting scheme to pass every member has to accept that canadian proposal. Turkey and greece aint accepting that mate.

Beg for the Annan plan for what reason? Just to have gotten only 7% of the scrappiest land you currently occupy, and which would have been of no much use to us; and in exchange to have given you the ownership and the status of a co-founding state on 30% of the best part of Cyprus (55% of the coastlines,) as well as EU access and a 50% sharing of all the privileges that we now control and enjoy alone, as the RoC? Don't you think we are a bit smarter than that?

Maraş scrappy??? Güzelyurt scrappy?? you talk as it suits.

I second viewpoint besides he forgot that up to 20% of TC state would have consisted by GCs.

As foreigners in their own country without any political rights in the TC state which Turkish must be spoken to get any government jobs, and only after paying allegiance to Ataturk, of course.! Oh, almost forgot. They could not sell their land to another GC or leave it in their inheritance to their families, but the Brits and any other foreign national could. Those damn 30,000 GC's missed out on a good thing by saying OXI to the AP.!

Had TPAP genuinely negotiated they could have got political rights just like how TCs would have got political rights in federal government. Where did u invent that Turkis must have been spoken to get any government jobs? Why any GC or TC should pay allegiance to Ataturk in order to get any government jobs? Selling their land or leaving it in their inheritence could also have been solved by genuinely negotiating. It's irrational to deprive them from those rights. What crucial is keeping the political equality of 2 constituent states based on 2 communities until we manage to fully and safely get mixed island wide.

I did not think one had to negotiate to get their basic fundamental rights in a Democracy, such as Democratic and Human Rights. Perhaps PapaD thought such details were given and were not meant to be negotiated. Why is it, that several undemocratic and Human Rights violations on the GC's were so easily accepted by the TC's rather than refuse to accept them as being unfair. Do you really need to be told Insan, the difference between RIGHT and WRONG, or do you want to blame it on others, for not asking for those rights. So, no political equality in the TC state, GC properties cannot be sold to other GC's or left for their families in a will, Turkish needed to be spoken along giving allegiance to Attaturk to get a job in the TC state government (ask VP to confirm this if you don't believe me), and many more violations of ones basic Human Rights and you want to blame all these racist Human Rights violations on the GC's to PapaD for not negotiating in good faith. Lets just say that he did not negotiate in good faith because he thought the whole AP was stacked up against his people, which it was, but what is your excuse for the TC's in having all these racist Human Rights violations against the GC's in the AP in first place. It is almost like every time a husband beats the crap out of his wife, he blames her for making him do it to her. Is this your understanding also, Insan, because judging from your above excuses as to why so many Racist proposals were in the final AP, you would take the battering husbands side over the wife's, just because the wife did not say to the husband "please don't beat me up", therefore it gave him the right to beat her up.! Nice going, Insan.!

Did the EU and UN back the AP?

Cyprus was not in the EU, therefore the EU was willing to accept the wishes of the Cypriots in choosing what they wanted and would have accepted the outcome of the referendum, but then again, who is to say, that once Cyprus was in the EU, that they were not going to demand to make changes, assuming of course, that the EU would take the "New Cyprus" into the EU in the first place. There was a very good chance that they would have refused to take the "New Cyprus" in, on the grounds that it was only the RoC who was to be admitted and not this New Virgin Birth thing. That would have suited the NeoPartitionist very well. It would have made partition that much easier after the referendum was a "YES". As for the UN, Kofi Annan was corrupted all along and was only trying to serve the interest of the Bush administration in what ever they wanted, so that he can keep his job, since Bush was ready to dump Kofi with all the corruption with the Iraq's Oil for Food program, as well as Kofi's son's corrupted actions in Africa. Kofi was a YES man to Bush. Kofi disgraced himself with what he went along with in the AP

Do you want us to trust the EU and UN?

You can now, since everything is on the up and up, but of course, that really does not suit the interest of the NeoPartitionist. You all like it better when it's corrupted and gives you racist advantages, which you willingly accepted. You could have said "NO" to all those Racist and Democratic and Human Rights violated provisions that were in the AP, but you said NOTHING, and now you question the ethics of the UN and the EU, but not yourselves.!

You are skirting around the question, do you trust the EU and UN?

Do you expect us to trust the EU and UN?

YES OR NO will do...as the above shit is only excuses so that you dont have to answer the questions.

You say trust the EU and UN and when it does not suit GC intentions you have no problem rejecting out right. Something very wrong here and a clear reflection of GC mentality either its our way or noway. TCs need to leaern and learn well the mentality they will face if they ever make the mistkes of taking a leap of fairth right into the dangerous structure the GCs have in store for us.

[Kikapu]

Did the EU and UN back the AP?

Cyprus was not in the EU, therefore the EU was willing to accept the wishes of the Cypriots in choosing what they wanted and would have accepted the outcome of the referendum, but then again, who is to say, that once Cyprus was in the EU, that they were not going to demand to make changes, assuming of course, that the EU would take the "New Cyprus" into the EU in the first place. There was a very good chance that they would have refused to take the "New Cyprus" in, on the grounds that it was only the RoC who was to be admitted and not this New Virgin Birth thing. That would have suited the NeoPartitionist very well. It would have made partition that much easier after the referendum was a "YES". As for the UN, Kofi Annan was corrupted all along and was only trying to serve the interest of the Bush administration in what ever they wanted, so that he can keep his job, since Bush was ready to dump Kofi with all the corruption with the Iraq's Oil for Food program, as well as Kofi's son's corrupted actions in Africa. Kofi was a YES man to Bush. Kofi disgraced himself with what he went along with in the AP

Do you want us to trust the EU and UN?

You can now, since everything is on the up and up, but of course, that really does not suit the interest of the NeoPartitionist. You all like it better when it's corrupted and gives you racist advantages, which you willingly accepted. You could have said "NO" to all those Racist and Democratic and Human Rights violated provisions that were in the AP, but you said NOTHING, and now you question the ethics of the UN and the EU, but not yourselves.!

You are skirting around the question, do you trust the EU and UN?

As long as they do not violate my Democtaric and Human rights, then, YES, I would trust them. What is the alternative.?

Do you expect us to trust the EU and UN?

Well, you trusted them before when they were trying to violate the Democratic and Human Rights of the GC's with Racist provisions, so why would you not trust them now, when they can't do those anymore.?

YES OR NO will do...as the above shit is only excuses so that you dont have to answer the questions.

You never asked me a direct question before. You were asking the question for yourself, which I aswered. But the above answer I gave as a "YES" should satisfy your question here also.

You say trust the EU and UN and when it does not suit GC intentions you have no problem rejecting out right. Something very wrong here and a clear reflection of GC mentality either its our way or noway. TCs need to leaern and learn well the mentality they will face if they ever make the mistkes of taking a leap of fairth right into the dangerous structure the GCs have in store for us.

What the GC's objected in the AP, was clear violations of their Democratic and Human Rights with racists provisions. But lets leave that aside for the moments and ask you why you would accept such violations on others and supported the EU and the UN at that time, but now that the EU and UN cannot do those same violations, you are not supporting them and also question their intentions.

What I reject is clear violations of ANYONES Democratic and Human Rights. Show me where the EU and the UN has violated any of those rights to the TC's during these recent talks on BBF proposals that I have refused to defend the TC's.!

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Kikapu

As long as they do not violate my Democtaric and Human rights, then, YES, I would trust them. What is the alternative.?

So what you are saying is the EU and UN do back decisions and plans which are wrong?

Well, you trusted them before when they were trying to violate the Democratic and Human Rights of the GC's with Racist provisions, so why would you not trust them now, when they can't do those anymore.?

So this is another confirmation that the EU cna UN can be wrong?

You never asked me a direct question before. You were asking the question for yourself, which I aswered. But the above answer I gave as a "YES" should satisfy your question here also.

So you are saying weshould trust the EU and UN and not you when it doesnt suit you? isnt that being a hypocrite?

What the GC's objected in the AP, was clear violations of their Democratic and Human Rights with racists provisions. But lets leave that aside for the moments and ask you why you would accept such violations on others and supported the EU and the UN at that time, but now that the EU and UN cannot do those same violations, you are not supporting them and also question their intentions.

So why do you not complain about how undemocratic and racists the EU and UN are to the world? We backed a EU and UN plan who you say we should trust please make up your mind should we place our security in the hands of the EU and UN as you Gcs want us to do.

What I reject is clear violations of ANYONES Democratic and Human Rights. Show me where the EU and the UN has violated any of those rights to the TC's during these recent talks on BBF proposals that I have refused to defend the TC's.!

Do we alsohave the right to reject anything the EU and UN try to impose on us if we feel it is undemocratic and racist yet meets GC demands?

[Kikapu]

What I reject is clear violations of ANYONES Democratic and Human Rights. Show me where the EU and the UN has violated any of those rights to the TC's during these recent talks on BBF proposals that I have refused to defend the TC's.!

Do we alsohave the right to reject anything the EU and UN try to impose on us if we feel it is undemocratic and racist yet meets GC demands?

Most of tyour other arguments regarding the EU/UN were silly, so no point in trying to respond to them, but I would like to on the above quote that you made.

Can you tell me what Racist and Undemocratic things that the GC's are demanding from the EU/UN that you feel it will be justified in rejecting them, because if there are such demands by the GC's, I will join you in rejecting them also, so please tell us what those Democratic and Human Rights violations are, that it is asked by the GC's to be imposed on the TC's by the EU and UN.

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What I reject is clear violations of ANYONES Democratic and Human Rights. Show me where the EU and the UN has violated any of those rights to the TC's during these recent talks on BBF proposals that I have refused to defend the TC's.!

Do we alsohave the right to reject anything the EU and UN try to impose on us if we feel it is undemocratic and racist yet meets GC demands?

Most of tyour other arguments regarding the EU/UN were silly, so no point in trying to respond to them, but I would like to on the above quote that you made.

Can you tell me what Racist and Undemocratic things that the GC's are demanding from the EU/UN that you feel it will be justified in rejecting them, because if there are such demands by the GC's, I will join you in rejecting them also, so please tell us what those Democratic and Human Rights violations are, that it is asked by the GC's to be imposed on the TC's by the EU and UN.

Silly as in I cannot deal with them so label them silly and they will go away, you fell into your own trap you support the EU and UN as long as they do not support anything you do not like, eg the AP.

Our community rights.

Guarantees.

[DT.]

What I reject is clear violations of ANYONES Democratic and Human Rights. Show me where the EU and the UN has violated any of those rights to the TC's during these recent talks on BBF proposals that I have refused to defend the TC's.!

Do we alsohave the right to reject anything the EU and UN try to impose on us if we feel it is undemocratic and racist yet meets GC demands?

Most of tyour other arguments regarding the EU/UN were silly, so no point in trying to respond to them, but I would like to on the above quote that you made.

Can you tell me what Racist and Undemocratic things that the GC's are demanding from the EU/UN that you feel it will be justified in rejecting them, because if there are such demands by the GC's, I will join you in rejecting them also, so please tell us what those Democratic and Human Rights violations are, that it is asked by the GC's to be imposed on the TC's by the EU and UN.

Silly as in I cannot deal with them so label them silly and they ill go away, you fell into your own trap you support the EU and UN as long as they do not support anything you do not like the AP.

Our community rights.

Guarantees.

I believe Kiks asked for undemocratic and racist demands from us. VP stick to the question.

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What I reject is clear violations of ANYONES Democratic and Human Rights. Show me where the EU and the UN has violated any of those rights to the TC's during these recent talks on BBF proposals that I have refused to defend the TC's.!

Do we alsohave the right to reject anything the EU and UN try to impose on us if we feel it is undemocratic and racist yet meets GC demands?

Most of tyour other arguments regarding the EU/UN were silly, so no point in trying to respond to them, but I would like to on the above quote that you made.

Can you tell me what Racist and Undemocratic things that the GC's are demanding from the EU/UN that you feel it will be justified in rejecting them, because if there are such demands by the GC's, I will join you in rejecting them also, so please tell us what those Democratic and Human Rights violations are, that it is asked by the GC's to be imposed on the TC's by the EU and UN.

Silly as in I cannot deal with them so label them silly and they ill go away, you fell into your own trap you support the EU and UN as long as they do not support anything you do not like the AP.

Our community rights.

Guarantees.

I believe Kiks asked for undemocratic and racist demands from us. VP stick to the question.

The above are our rights which you wish to get rid of, democracy and human rights are just a veil for allowing the revenge seeking GC majority to apply their will against us, we will not give up our rights as set out in the internationally recognized agreement signed by no other than the GCs.

Are Switzerland Belgium Malta or the former Serbia Montenegro undemocratic?? they are either federations, confederations, have derrogrations or division rights.