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[turkkan]

You did not say who Turkey will team up to prevent Cyprus from becoming a member if the above proposals are accepted.!

My god are you quick with these wet dreams. Before we answer your hypothetical question please do tell us how these proposals are to be accepted without turkey or greece vetoing them at the preliminary stage.

[insan]

Insan, it dosent matter what he wants the ROC can simply not join it without bypassing turkeys veto. It just wont happen. All he can do is get rejected which he wont. Hes going to stick to the line that ideologically he is against it. If there was a small chance that the ROC could enter it im sure he would consider the membership although im not sure how he would sell it but given that it dosent exist this is all BS talk.

Canadian Defense Minister asks for change in NATO consensus on admitting new members

March 8, 2009


Canadian Defense Minister Peter McCay has asked NATO to change the concept on accession of new members, because of recent problems the Alliance has experienced with Macedonia and Croatia.

At a meeting with his US counterpart Robert Gates in Washington, McCay asked NATO to revise the article for consensus in order to avoid any possible failures due to bilateral issues, such as those between Greece and Macedonia and Slovenia and Croatia, which result in blocking the Alliance while admitting new members.

McCay suggests the present system to be replaced with a new system where at least two countries must object the accession of a new member, which means Greece will no longer be able to prevent Macedonia from joining NATO.http://www.mhrmi.org/news/2009/march08_e.asp



Never say never...

So which country is going to team up with Turkey to prevent Cyprus from becoming a NATO member, if the above proposal goes through.?

Uncle Sam provides one, if necessary.

[Kifeas]

just like turkey is trying to join eu... if turkey does not allow cyprus to join nato why should cyporus allow turkey to join eu ? both can use their veto until a solution is found

This is very simplistic. I would agree that the ROC would have massive leverage over turkey if the rest of the EU was dying to take turkey overnight and the ROC was the only reason it couldnt join. TUrkey would probably conceed to a lot of your demands during negotiations if that was the case. But given the vast majority of the EU public is wary to turkey entering, france and austria as well as the netherlands being openly against it and have now put a public referendum in place for any such possibility turkeys gates into the EU have long been shut and turkey understands this full well. ANy EU talk by AKP is for public consumption only and most editorial comments in the major newspapers aside from idiots like mehmet ali birand also recognise this. Even those optimistic are giving dates such as 2020-2025 before any eventual accession. Your veto with all these constraints for membership is worthless. If anything cyprus will be used as a tool for when 2020 or 2025 does come for negotiations. At that point in time we will be discussing an event that happened 51 years ago since 74 and approximately 60 years since 63. You will be begging for the annan plan then. Unless of course getreal starts using proteinmax with his workouts and then singlehandedly takes back the north before that date. In that case you still wont need your veto.



Insan- for the new voting scheme to pass every member has to accept that canadian proposal. Turkey and greece aint accepting that mate.

Beg for the Annan plan for what reason? Just to have gotten only 7% of the scrappiest land you currently occupy, and which would have been of no much use to us; and in exchange to have given you the recognised ownership and the status of a co-founding state on 30% of the best part of Cyprus (55% of the coastlines,) as well as EU access and a 50% sharing of all the privileges that we now control and enjoy alone, as the RoC? Don't you think we are a bit smarter than that?

[Viewpoint]

just like turkey is trying to join eu... if turkey does not allow cyprus to join nato why should cyporus allow turkey to join eu ? both can use their veto until a solution is found

This is very simplistic. I would agree that the ROC would have massive leverage over turkey if the rest of the EU was dying to take turkey overnight and the ROC was the only reason it couldnt join. TUrkey would probably conceed to a lot of your demands during negotiations if that was the case. But given the vast majority of the EU public is wary to turkey entering, france and austria as well as the netherlands being openly against it and have now put a public referendum in place for any such possibility turkeys gates into the EU have long been shut and turkey understands this full well. ANy EU talk by AKP is for public consumption only and most editorial comments in the major newspapers aside from idiots like mehmet ali birand also recognise this. Even those optimistic are giving dates such as 2020-2025 before any eventual accession. Your veto with all these constraints for membership is worthless. If anything cyprus will be used as a tool for when 2020 or 2025 does come for negotiations. At that point in time we will be discussing an event that happened 51 years ago since 74 and approximately 60 years since 63. You will be begging for the annan plan then. Unless of course getreal starts using proteinmax with his workouts and then singlehandedly takes back the north before that date. In that case you still wont need your veto.



Insan- for the new voting scheme to pass every member has to accept that canadian proposal. Turkey and greece aint accepting that mate.

Beg for the Annan plan for what reason? Just to have gotten only 7% of the scrappiest land you currently occupy, and which would have been of no much use to us; and in exchange to have given you the ownership and the status of a co-founding state on 30% of the best part of Cyprus (55% of the coastlines,) as well as EU access and a 50% sharing of all the privileges that we now control and enjoy alone, as the RoC? Don't you think we are a bit smarter than that?

Maraş scrappy??? Güzelyurt scrappy?? you talk as it suits.

[insan]

just like turkey is trying to join eu... if turkey does not allow cyprus to join nato why should cyporus allow turkey to join eu ? both can use their veto until a solution is found

This is very simplistic. I would agree that the ROC would have massive leverage over turkey if the rest of the EU was dying to take turkey overnight and the ROC was the only reason it couldnt join. TUrkey would probably conceed to a lot of your demands during negotiations if that was the case. But given the vast majority of the EU public is wary to turkey entering, france and austria as well as the netherlands being openly against it and have now put a public referendum in place for any such possibility turkeys gates into the EU have long been shut and turkey understands this full well. ANy EU talk by AKP is for public consumption only and most editorial comments in the major newspapers aside from idiots like mehmet ali birand also recognise this. Even those optimistic are giving dates such as 2020-2025 before any eventual accession. Your veto with all these constraints for membership is worthless. If anything cyprus will be used as a tool for when 2020 or 2025 does come for negotiations. At that point in time we will be discussing an event that happened 51 years ago since 74 and approximately 60 years since 63. You will be begging for the annan plan then. Unless of course getreal starts using proteinmax with his workouts and then singlehandedly takes back the north before that date. In that case you still wont need your veto.



Insan- for the new voting scheme to pass every member has to accept that canadian proposal. Turkey and greece aint accepting that mate.

Beg for the Annan plan for what reason? Just to have gotten only 7% of the scrappiest land you currently occupy, and which would have been of no much use to us; and in exchange to have given you the ownership and the status of a co-founding state on 30% of the best part of Cyprus (55% of the coastlines,) as well as EU access and a 50% sharing of all the privileges that we now control and enjoy alone, as the RoC? Don't you think we are a bit smarter than that?

Maraş scrappy??? Güzelyurt scrappy?? you talk as it suits.

I second viewpoint besides he forgot that up to 20% of TC state would have consisted by GCs.

[Kifeas]

Anything can be expected from Christofias... From 1960 to 1964 AKEL was supposedly against ENOSIS, all of a sudden it switched to pursue Enosis policy from 1964 till 1967. AKEL stopped pursuing Enosis policy in 1967 because it wasn't in interests of leftists to become under control of Junta regime.

Akel was supposedly against EU accession of so-called RoC but for the sake of national cause Chris accepted to support EU accession of Cyprus.

Now Chris tells that he is against NATO membership of so-called RoC I bet soon he will begin struggle for NATO membership of so-called RoC.

Insan, I will again tell you something that I said to you before. Had we GCs been only the 18% of the people with 400 years of history in this country, and you TCs the 82% with 4,000 years of history in this country, not only you would have never considered giving us even 10% of what you demand from us, but further, had we ever even considered asking this 10% of what you demand now from us, you would have chopped the heads of every single one of us and would have thrown them into the sea.

Say whatever you want! I do not care! We and you know too well what the truth is, or what the truth would have been!

[Viewpoint]

Anything can be expected from Christofias... From 1960 to 1964 AKEL was supposedly against ENOSIS, all of a sudden it switched to pursue Enosis policy from 1964 till 1967. AKEL stopped pursuing Enosis policy in 1967 because it wasn't in interests of leftists to become under control of Junta regime.

Akel was supposedly against EU accession of so-called RoC but for the sake of national cause Chris accepted to support EU accession of Cyprus.

Now Chris tells that he is against NATO membership of so-called RoC I bet soon he will begin struggle for NATO membership of so-called RoC.

Insan, I will again tell you something that I said to you before. Had we GCs been only the 18% of the people with 400 years of history in this country, and you TCs the 82% with 4,000 years of history in this country, not only you would have never considered giving us even 10% of what you demand from us, but further, had we ever even considered asking this 10% of what you demand now from us, you would have chopped the heads of every single one of us and would have thrown them into the sea.

Say whatever you want! I do not care! We and you know too well what the truth is, or what the truth would have been!

[Kifeas]

just like turkey is trying to join eu... if turkey does not allow cyprus to join nato why should cyporus allow turkey to join eu ? both can use their veto until a solution is found

This is very simplistic. I would agree that the ROC would have massive leverage over turkey if the rest of the EU was dying to take turkey overnight and the ROC was the only reason it couldnt join. TUrkey would probably conceed to a lot of your demands during negotiations if that was the case. But given the vast majority of the EU public is wary to turkey entering, france and austria as well as the netherlands being openly against it and have now put a public referendum in place for any such possibility turkeys gates into the EU have long been shut and turkey understands this full well. ANy EU talk by AKP is for public consumption only and most editorial comments in the major newspapers aside from idiots like mehmet ali birand also recognise this. Even those optimistic are giving dates such as 2020-2025 before any eventual accession. Your veto with all these constraints for membership is worthless. If anything cyprus will be used as a tool for when 2020 or 2025 does come for negotiations. At that point in time we will be discussing an event that happened 51 years ago since 74 and approximately 60 years since 63. You will be begging for the annan plan then. Unless of course getreal starts using proteinmax with his workouts and then singlehandedly takes back the north before that date. In that case you still wont need your veto.



Insan- for the new voting scheme to pass every member has to accept that canadian proposal. Turkey and greece aint accepting that mate.

Beg for the Annan plan for what reason? Just to have gotten only 7% of the scrappiest land you currently occupy, and which would have been of no much use to us; and in exchange to have given you the ownership and the status of a co-founding state on 30% of the best part of Cyprus (55% of the coastlines,) as well as EU access and a 50% sharing of all the privileges that we now control and enjoy alone, as the RoC? Don't you think we are a bit smarter than that?

Maraş scrappy??? Güzelyurt scrappy?? you talk as it suits.

Yes, scrappy and worthless, in comparison to what you would have retained and which would have been by far more than what you used to own and possess in Cyprus, not just before 1974, but also before 1964. The mere fact that you would have become the owners of 55% of Cyprus coastline areas, the most expensive and useful part of Cyprus, says it all.

[Kifeas]

Anything can be expected from Christofias... From 1960 to 1964 AKEL was supposedly against ENOSIS, all of a sudden it switched to pursue Enosis policy from 1964 till 1967. AKEL stopped pursuing Enosis policy in 1967 because it wasn't in interests of leftists to become under control of Junta regime.

Akel was supposedly against EU accession of so-called RoC but for the sake of national cause Chris accepted to support EU accession of Cyprus.

Now Chris tells that he is against NATO membership of so-called RoC I bet soon he will begin struggle for NATO membership of so-called RoC.

Insan, I will again tell you something that I said to you before. Had we GCs been only the 18% of the people with 400 years of history in this country, and you TCs the 82% with 4,000 years of history in this country, not only you would have never considered giving us even 10% of what you demand from us, but further, had we ever even considered asking this 10% of what you demand now from us, you would have chopped the heads of every single one of us and would have thrown them into the sea.

Say whatever you want! I do not care! We and you know too well what the truth is, or what the truth would have been!

You laugh because you know that this is the necked truth of the case!

[insan]

Anything can be expected from Christofias... From 1960 to 1964 AKEL was supposedly against ENOSIS, all of a sudden it switched to pursue Enosis policy from 1964 till 1967. AKEL stopped pursuing Enosis policy in 1967 because it wasn't in interests of leftists to become under control of Junta regime.

Akel was supposedly against EU accession of so-called RoC but for the sake of national cause Chris accepted to support EU accession of Cyprus.

Now Chris tells that he is against NATO membership of so-called RoC I bet soon he will begin struggle for NATO membership of so-called RoC.

Insan, I will again tell you something that I said to you before. Had we GCs been only the 18% of the people with 400 years of history in this country, and you TCs the 82% with 4,000 years of history in this country, not only you would have never considered giving us even 10% of what you demand from us, but further, had we ever even considered asking this 10% of what you demand now from us, you would have chopped the heads of every single one of us and would have thrown them into the sea.

Say whatever you want! I do not care! We and you know too well what the truth is, or what the truth would have been!

Since u won't care; let it be. Time and great powers of earth will pull our strings somewhere that fits into realities and globalizing world.