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[DT.]

Yfred said

It has taken Talat nearly 20 years to convince Turkey of the significance of peace in Cyprus. Do you really think that Turkey would allow UBP to deviate from this path. For all the partitionist, before you start rejoicing, wait and see what happens to Mr Eroglu if he should win. You will see the gretaest 180 degree turn you are likely to see.

[YFred]

Yfred said

It has taken Talat nearly 20 years to convince Turkey of the significance of peace in Cyprus. Do you really think that Turkey would allow UBP to deviate from this path. For all the partitionist, before you start rejoicing, wait and see what happens to Mr Eroglu if he should win. You will see the gretaest 180 degree turn you are likely to see.

Have you just found out how politics work? DT.

[Sotos]

Yfred said

It has taken Talat nearly 20 years to convince Turkey of the significance of peace in Cyprus. Do you really think that Turkey would allow UBP to deviate from this path. For all the partitionist, before you start rejoicing, wait and see what happens to Mr Eroglu if he should win. You will see the gretaest 180 degree turn you are likely to see.

Who convinced Turkey was not Talat but the entry of Cyprus in EU That is when they realized that they have a problem too. But after that you are right. The puppeteer is always the same and is Turkey. It doesn't matter at all who the muppet TC is. Pseudo elections mean nothing.

[DT.]

Yfred said

It has taken Talat nearly 20 years to convince Turkey of the significance of peace in Cyprus. Do you really think that Turkey would allow UBP to deviate from this path. For all the partitionist, before you start rejoicing, wait and see what happens to Mr Eroglu if he should win. You will see the gretaest 180 degree turn you are likely to see.

Have you just found out how politics work? DT.

I actually studied Politics and economics in uni. I know how politics works quite well thankyou, do you? You see, what usually happens is

People elect govt......govt gets into power.....govt governs country. What you're doing is
People elect gov.....govt gets into power......foreign govt governs country!

It seems I'm not the one you should be asking matey.

[YFred]

Yfred said

It has taken Talat nearly 20 years to convince Turkey of the significance of peace in Cyprus. Do you really think that Turkey would allow UBP to deviate from this path. For all the partitionist, before you start rejoicing, wait and see what happens to Mr Eroglu if he should win. You will see the gretaest 180 degree turn you are likely to see.

Who convinced Turkey was not Talat but the entry of Cyprus in EU That is when they realized that they have a problem too. But after that you are right. The puppeteer is always the same and is Turkey. It doesn't matter at all who the muppet TC is. Pseudo elections mean nothing.

I think we flogged that one to death. Turkey is in Customs Union, and freely trades with EU.

[CopperLine]

Here is some real news, not that Cyprus Mail garbage about Talat's bravery. Talat sees the writing on the wall. his party isnt doing to good. We have Christofias with his words below trying to give Talat's party a boost. It will probably have the opposite effect. And to Bana and Y-Fronts:
1) Try and comprehend what the article states below.
2) Try to keep your irrelevant questions about 1571 and the like to yourselves.

In other words, keep on topic:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/03/ ... -Talks.php

NICOSIA, Cyprus: Cyprus' president said Monday that efforts to reunify the island would suffer a serious setback if political opponents of a Turkish Cypriot leader involved in negotiations win parliamentary elections next month.

Dimitris Christofias, a Greek Cypriot, has been in talks with Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat for six months trying to hammer out an agreement to end the island's 35-year division.

Chances of a deal would be "very difficult" if Talat's party loses support in Turkish Cypriot elections April 19.

Although the vote does not directly affect Talat's position as president, it is considered an important gauge of popular support for his reunification effort.

Opinion polls place Talat's left-wing party supporters behind the rightist UBP party.

Cyprus was divided into an internationally recognized Greek Cypriot south and a breakaway Turkish Cypriot north in 1974 when Turkey invaded in response to a coup by supporters of union with Greece. The north's administration is recognized only by Turkey.

"If we can't work things out with this man (Talat), who is considered progressive, then I don't know if we could ever work things out," Christofias said.

Talat favors a loose federation with the majority Greek Cypriots, but his conservative opponents back a two-state model that Greek Cypriots reject.

Lets begin with 1571, you will find that it is not us dear man, blame Piratis and his gang mainly Capo Mafiso GRo.

It has taken Talat nearly 20 years to convince Turkey of the significance of peace in Cyprus. Do you really think that Turkey would allow UBP to deviate from this path. For all the partitionist, before you start rejoicing, wait and see what happens to Mr Eroglu if he should win. You will see the gretaest 180 degree turn you are likely to see.

You have Talat to thank for this situation and you have the RoC and the EU to thank for his demise.

We shall overcome. Yes we can. You now we can.

If it all goes pear shaped then I blame the RoC and the EU in equal measure.

refreshing to see a Tc with no illusions of TC's running their own destiny and acknowledging that everything is controlled by Ankara.

trnc my arse. Yfred has faced facts that the north is Turkish occupied territory, when will the rest of you?

I've never been under any illusion how crucial Turkey is to northern Cyprus - as 'saviour', as occupier, as paymaster, as market, as culture, as ... veto power. Many GCs have insisted to the point of boredom how utterly subservient TRNC is to Turkey. Maybe so, maybe not to that degree. Whatever the case the UN and the EU as well as Turkey all equally insist (as did a succession of GC leaders in effect) that the legitimate negotiating partner in any peace settlement has to be the TCs. That legitimate negotiating partner has been embodied in the person of the unrecognised president of an unrecognised state. Funny old business this politics lark, isn't it.

If it is not the TCs - in whatever shape or form - that RoC negotiates with then who is it to be ? Turkey, directly ? TCs are positive softies compared with some of the crackpots in Ankara. We should be careful what we wish for, it may come true.

[DT.]

Here is some real news, not that Cyprus Mail garbage about Talat's bravery. Talat sees the writing on the wall. his party isnt doing to good. We have Christofias with his words below trying to give Talat's party a boost. It will probably have the opposite effect. And to Bana and Y-Fronts:
1) Try and comprehend what the article states below.
2) Try to keep your irrelevant questions about 1571 and the like to yourselves.

In other words, keep on topic:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/03/ ... -Talks.php

NICOSIA, Cyprus: Cyprus' president said Monday that efforts to reunify the island would suffer a serious setback if political opponents of a Turkish Cypriot leader involved in negotiations win parliamentary elections next month.

Dimitris Christofias, a Greek Cypriot, has been in talks with Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat for six months trying to hammer out an agreement to end the island's 35-year division.

Chances of a deal would be "very difficult" if Talat's party loses support in Turkish Cypriot elections April 19.

Although the vote does not directly affect Talat's position as president, it is considered an important gauge of popular support for his reunification effort.

Opinion polls place Talat's left-wing party supporters behind the rightist UBP party.

Cyprus was divided into an internationally recognized Greek Cypriot south and a breakaway Turkish Cypriot north in 1974 when Turkey invaded in response to a coup by supporters of union with Greece. The north's administration is recognized only by Turkey.

"If we can't work things out with this man (Talat), who is considered progressive, then I don't know if we could ever work things out," Christofias said.

Talat favors a loose federation with the majority Greek Cypriots, but his conservative opponents back a two-state model that Greek Cypriots reject.

Lets begin with 1571, you will find that it is not us dear man, blame Piratis and his gang mainly Capo Mafiso GRo.

It has taken Talat nearly 20 years to convince Turkey of the significance of peace in Cyprus. Do you really think that Turkey would allow UBP to deviate from this path. For all the partitionist, before you start rejoicing, wait and see what happens to Mr Eroglu if he should win. You will see the gretaest 180 degree turn you are likely to see.

You have Talat to thank for this situation and you have the RoC and the EU to thank for his demise.

We shall overcome. Yes we can. You now we can.

If it all goes pear shaped then I blame the RoC and the EU in equal measure.

refreshing to see a Tc with no illusions of TC's running their own destiny and acknowledging that everything is controlled by Ankara.

trnc my arse. Yfred has faced facts that the north is Turkish occupied territory, when will the rest of you?

I've never been under any illusion how crucial Turkey is to northern Cyprus - as 'saviour', as occupier, as paymaster, as market, as culture, as ... veto power. Many GCs have insisted to the point of boredom how utterly subservient TRNC is to Turkey. Maybe so, maybe not to that degree. Whatever the case the UN and the EU as well as Turkey all equally insist (as did a succession of GC leaders in effect) that the legitimate negotiating partner in any peace settlement has to be the TCs. That legitimate negotiating partner has been embodied in the person of the unrecognised president of an unrecognised state. Funny old business this politics lark, isn't it.

If it is not the TCs - in whatever shape or form - that RoC negotiates with then who is it to be ? Turkey, directly ? TCs are positive softies compared with some of the crackpots in Ankara. We should be careful what we wish for, it may come true.

Then whats wrong with calling the tc leader the Turkish representative in Cyprus?

[CopperLine]

DT,
Talat (or any other TC negotiator) has to satisfy three constituencies : i. the TCs, ii, Turkey and iii. RoC. Christofias (or any other GC negotiator) has to satisfy two parties, the RoC and EITHER TCs (if you believe TCs matter) OR RoT (if you think only Turkey matters).

I'm not complaining; I'm just pointing out an obvious complication.

I should add - that Talat may be the Turkish rep, but he's not only that. He also represents TCs who are NOT identical with Turkey - never have been, never will be.

[insan]

Softies or hawks or eagles or a mongolian origin TC or Turk or linobambaki or Tassos or Chris or Garamannis or an indo-Greek origin GC or gavvoloz don't matter much. TC leadership has always been in cooperation with Turkey like GC leadership has always been in cooperation with Greece since 1821. Cyprus problem is a national and international problem. Besides the role of local and national actors, international actors also have a lot of influence on course of the problem. Determinant is the most powerful group in this chain. The local representatives of 2 communities r in direct or indirect communication and cooperation with median and major powers in order to provide a solution based on their respective solution thesis. TC leadership is disadvantageous because of it's unrecognized status. Under such circumstances it is very natural TC leadership to be in full cooperation with Turkey for indirect communication with median and major powers concerning the solution of the Cyprus problem.

[utu]

One thought comes to mind: if Turkey is in total control of the northern Administration, they could rig the vote to ensure that Talat's and Soyer's party retains power.... That is, of course, if Turkey's control is that ubiquitous... If the UBP unseats Soyer and replaces his administration with Eroglu, I don't think it will be because of vote-rigging...