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[MrH]

Tim Drayton,

Sorry, is it too much to expect one who claims to be a journalist to get his/her English right? I would not be so hard otherwise.

What about this cracker in the initial post in this thread: "warn the soles of their tonges". "Warn" should be "worn" and "tonges" should be "tongues"!

“Barking Made", was a test, I actually hoped that you know it means "Barking Mad".

I deliberately write the way I do on this forum, missing out many of the correct forms of Grammar, spelling and etc, in the hope that no one will notice the similarity in my posting from my newspaper articles. If I were to use the same standard of English, words, style and etc, you'd be shocked to know who I really am!

Sorry Tim, but until a concrete resolution to the Cyprus problem is confirmed, my anonymity is of paramount importance.

Get Real:
The Answer to your posting is this: If the "Turkish Cypriots" were not politically and economically isolated from the rest of the world, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO RELY ON TURKISH HAND OUTS. It is YOU who continue to play us into Turkish hands. Remove the Embargo of Northern Cyprus and watch us prosper, work with everyone in all sectors, and even promote unification without any pre-conditions.

We all know Get Real that the removal of the ISOLATION of Northern Cyprus; allowing direct flights etc, etc, WILL NOT, AND CAN NOT, constitute to the recognition of the TRNC as that would obviously require the unanimous approval of the UN Security Council. Thus, the NON-REMOVAL of the Isolation by the Greek Cypriots is a CLEAR INDICATION of THEIR unwillingness to truly ASSIST the Turkish Cypriots, and keep them reliant on "Turkey's handouts". It is the GC administration who chooses to promote this system. And, you damn well know it!

If you really wanted unification, cared about your so-called Compatriot Turkish Cypriots and not give them the impression that your sole Aim/Policy is to dominate (as that's how the international press is starting to view it), you'd realise that the more you continue to ISOLATE us to the World with your aging-Cyprus policies, the More we BECOME TURKS, and Less TURKISH CYPRIOTS. It’s funny how you talk about not wanting the Guarantor system in a federal deal, but expect the Turkish Cypriots to accept living under a so-called TRUSTED Majority Greek Cypriot population. This is not good relations Get Real, and the Greek Cypriot administration and its people, so far, have, collectively, not proven themselves completely trustworthy!

Give it a few more years of GREEK CYPRIOT Isolation policy and Northern Cyprus' Turkish Cypriots will disappear!

OUR Original Turkish Cypriot accent has already been diluted with that of the Turkish mainland, Our pre-combined Greek Cypriot/Turkish Cypriot WORDS are now never used, removed from our educational system and is regarded as laughable when used in public. ALL of OUR Turkish Cypriot university Graduates have obtained TURKISH LANGUAGE founded degrees, regardless of subject area. There are many more scenarios Get Real that you do not know about, but I truly don't have the time to list the other 2000 or so of them. All I am saying is that your ISOLATION policy of Northern Cyprus is pushing us away, and it is YOU who'll lose in the END - if it hasn't happened already!

[DT.]

Funny lot you TC's. You threaten the GC's that you are disappearing from Cyprus and that soon there will not be any TC's left. What exactly are YOU doing about this? What do you want from us to do? Is this a cry for help? Would you like us to help you?

Will it help if we legitimise Tymbou and sign away the Famagusta port? Which Machiavellian genius thought this one up?

From where I'm standing the worst that could happen to the GC's is that this situation will continue indefinitely and the occupied area will remain a pariah state. You on the other hand will have vanished as a community. Aren't you panicking about this?

Why do you insist on con-federal models and 50-50 representation in the EU if things are so dire? Your leadership is obviously not feeling the pinch since it is still reaching for the ideal Turkish positions in a Cyprus settlement.

If things are so bad, where has talat compromised?

[Get Real!]

The Answer to your posting is this: If the "Turkish Cypriots" were not politically and economically isolated from the rest of the world, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO RELY ON TURKISH HAND OUTS. It is YOU who continue to play us into Turkish hands. Remove the Embargo of Northern Cyprus and watch us prosper, work with everyone in all sectors, and even promote unification without any pre-conditions.

We all know Get Real that the removal of the ISOLATION of Northern Cyprus; allowing direct flights etc, etc, WILL NOT, AND CAN NOT, constitute to the recognition of the TRNC as that would obviously require the unanimous approval of the UN Security Council. Thus, the NON-REMOVAL of the Isolation by the Greek Cypriots is a CLEAR INDICATION of THEIR unwillingness to truly ASSIST the Turkish Cypriots, and keep them reliant on "Turkey's handouts". It is the GC administration who chooses to promote this system. And, you damn well know it!

If you really wanted unification, cared about your so-called Compatriot Turkish Cypriots and not give them the impression that your sole Aim/Policy is to dominate (as that's how the international press is starting to view it), you'd realise that the more you continue to ISOLATE us to the World with your aging-Cyprus policies, the More we BECOME TURKS, and Less TURKISH CYPRIOTS. It’s funny how you talk about not wanting the Guarantor system in a federal deal, but expect the Turkish Cypriots to accept living under a so-called TRUSTED Majority Greek Cypriot population. This is not good relations Get Real, and the Greek Cypriot administration and its people, so far, have, collectively, not proven themselves completely trustworthy!

Give it a few more years of GREEK CYPRIOT Isolation policy and Northern Cyprus' Turkish Cypriots will disappear!

OUR Original Turkish Cypriot accent has already been diluted with that of the Turkish mainland, Our pre-combined Greek Cypriot/Turkish Cypriot WORDS are now never used, removed from our educational system and is regarded as laughable when used in public. ALL of OUR Turkish Cypriot university Graduates have obtained TURKISH LANGUAGE founded degrees, regardless of subject area. There are many more scenarios Get Real that you do not know about, but I truly don't have the time to list the other 2000 or so of them. All I am saying is that your ISOLATION policy of Northern Cyprus is pushing us away, and it is YOU who'll lose in the END - if it hasn't happened already!

Greek Cypriot dominance comes NATURALLY due to their overwhelming numerical majority on Cyprus and subsequent financial strength. The same goes in every other country of the world… the majority is always dominant for obvious reasons! (I can’t believe I need to explain such simple common sense!)

The Turkish Cypriots are foolishly fighting that which is NATURAL and demand that the UNNATURAL becomes the way for the future of Cyprus! Well this has NEVER happened in the history of mankind anywhere in the world, so the probability that it’ll happen in Cyprus just because Turkey says so is zero.

In fact, I’m pretty certain that if by some miracle the Turkish Cypriots were to ever have their unnatural ways, Cyprus would go into such a serious decline in every aspect that the island would become worthless and abandoned in droves by all!

Is that what you really want… regression? Or do you seriously believe that the Turkish Cypriots are capable of properly managing Cyprus in the 21st century? The Ottomans were always BAD managers of Cyprus, everything they touched turned into dust! Do you think anything has changed with your people? Can’t you see what’s happening in the “TRNC” or are you blind?

The Turkish Cypriots are pretty much saying…

“My mommy has a big gun therefore you must make me co-manager!”

And the Greek Cypriots reply…

“Fuck your gun! Who needs you?”

With such incompetence and attitude emanating from the Turkish Cypriots, what kind of response do you expect from the Greek Cypriots who have proved their astuteness on this island over and over? Of course they don’t need you and they’ll happily sit it out because after all… every storm has to end!

[MrH]

Get Real,

I guess it'll most definitely be Partition; in the form of TWO Republic States as either you, or our people will always reject unification. Remember Get Real, the original Cyprus Republic was a Partnership between Turkey, Greece and the UK and not primarily concerned with Greek or Turkish "Cypriots". It was a compromise for the higher powers and not necessarily the two inner-communities.

What you don't understand is, the longer you wait for an "accepted" compromise, the deeper Partition becomes a reality. This is the norm of the 21st Centry; just look at the former states of Europe and how they've been split into sub-republic states; like Kosovo and etc.

A Con-Federation is the best you're going to get Get Real, and there's just no deviating from this reality. And, as the flip side of you suggestion below:

Of course they don’t need you and they’ll happily sit it out because after all… every storm has to end!

...you are only fooling yourselves if you believe that a "No" this time by either community will again result to no progress on Northern Cyprus. The international community will not allow it this time mate, the isolation of Northern Cyprus will be lifted - that's obvious my good man (just look and how many International based companies are now doing business with North Cyprus but as "Northern Cyprus-Turkey").

What you are creating is the complete Turkish-ification of Northern Cyprus, perhaps similar to Northern Ireland-UK.

For some very strange and blind reason, may I, DT and Get Real really believe that the current Cyprus scenario will remain forever if a UN Solution is not found. Come one guys, you must either spend too much time gazing at the flag of Greece on Makenzie Beach, Larnaca, or your move to Cyprus from Australia has Greekified you beyond return.

Perhaps you should hop on a plane to the UK or the U.S to see for yourselves what alternatives for a Cyprus solution is being discussed.

To ignore the removal of the isolation on Northern Cyprus is futile Get Real, but to even believe that the status quo will remain after Dec 2009 (besides it being extremely laughable) leads me to believe that your constant finger-punching on this forum has clouded your sense of reality.

The only reason why we have not all joined hands as the Republic of Cyprus under a unification deal is because we (Turkish Cypriots) can still hear your wolf-like heavy breathing for Greekification of the entire island regardless of your desperate protest of liberalism.

Our trust will only be won in steps Get Real: First a Con-Federation of the Cyprus solution, and then - perhaps 20 years later (Turkey has become a full EU-Member state) unification.

As for Talat, he's an expendable Puppet in waiting to be replaced.

Perhaps we should now discuss the FALKLAND ISLAND? And, how really British they are? Your argument in Cyprus is out-dated and pointless, where a Con-federation formula is a gift from the Turkish Cypriots as opposed to a clean break.

[RichardB]

MrH

Perhaps we should now discuss the FALKLAND ISLAND? And, how really British they are? Your argument in Cyprus is out-dated and pointless, where a Con-federation formula is a gift from the Turkish Cypriots as opposed to a clean break.

Why would one want to discuss the Falkland (isla Malvinas) on a forum dedicated to Cyprus?

Any way it would be irrelevent because the Falkland Islanders voted by an overwhelming majority to remain British in a referendem

I thought you said you were a journalist?

So therefore one would expect you to have a modicum of intelligence and not try to compare a totally different scenario to that which is happening in Cyprus

BTW why on earth woud GR feel the need to discuss the above (not being British and all that)

[utu]

I've been reading this thread with no small amount of displeasure. A lot of you are failing to comprehend one thing: while Mehmet Ali Talat is not recognized as a head of state, he is nontheless recognized as the Turkish Cypriot leader, and thus the invitation is going to be made on that basis. so to all of you folk who have problems with things like this, don't worry: there will be no formal greetings or 21-gun slautes, or displays of the north's flag alongside the U.S. flag.

In any case, getting the Cyprus problem solved is going to involve TALKING! Isolating Talat is not going to have any result, so let the meeting go ahead and see what results from it. Recognition is not going to happen, so stop making waves.