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[Paphitis]

Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1

Tentative plans for a Cypriot intervention

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1

Here's the link reh imbecile, Pafidi!

So why did it not happen Insan?

Because Kissinger had his own plans and did not want Britain to do a thing to jeopardise its plan to partition Cyprus!

Nevertheless Insan, the above is all propaganda because the Guardian got their story from a Cypriot propaganda site.

http://www.lobbyforcyprus.org/press/pre ... tain74.htm

[Simon]

Paphiti, I respect many of the things you say, but I think you are the one being naive here if you believe for one minute that the US does not control NATO and the UN.

They are both there to print a 007 licence to kill for the US as it sees fit.

please tell me the difference between resolution 1441 against Iraq (that the US used as an excuse to attack) and the many resolutions against Turkey over Cyprus that they did nothing about?

There is your proof. Einai fos fanari, teleios kelptsia.

No I think you are being very naive for believing in America's absolute power within NATO and the UN, because you are basically saying that other countries such as UK, France, Germany, Canada etc etc have no say. There are at least 2 other superpower nations within NATO, and one thing is for sure, they are not there to simply just make up the numbers or be US subjects!

I am well aware that many Cypriots actually believe that NATO and US are synonymous, but that is simply not the case!

Paphitis, I would be interested to hear who you think the two other superpowers in NATO are?

BTW, don't think I have let you off the hook, because every single time you incompetent bozos get yourselves into a pickle, it is up to Australia and Canada to save your sorry arses...

I know you love us really!

Not since mother Britain is purely responsible for the biggest military blunders in modern history, resulting in thousands of Aussie casualties.

Come on Paphitis everybody makes mistakes, it was a long time ago, and the Brits suffered too. It's time to move on for your own sanity if nothing else.

[insan]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

[insan]

Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1

Tentative plans for a Cypriot intervention

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1

Here's the link reh imbecile, Pafidi!

So why did it not happen Insan?

Because Kissinger had his own plans and did not want Britain to do a thing to jeopardise its plan to partition Cyprus!

Nevertheless Insan, the above is all propaganda because the Guardian got their story from a Cypriot propaganda site.

http://www.lobbyforcyprus.org/press/pre ... tain74.htm

Try to hide urself behind ur little fingers, Pafidi.

From the national archives: Tentative plans for a Cypriot intervention
This article was published on guardian.co.uk at 00.13 GMT on Saturday 1 January 2005.

[YFred]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

I hope Mr T reads this to see what the British Government's view of War with Turkey was.

From this day on he will be known as Comical T.

[Simon]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

This was because the Labour government was too stupid to see the importance of the bases and just wanted to save money. Once the Americans made them realise, Britain has been determined to keep the bases ever since. The Annan Plan is clear proof of that.

[bill cobbett]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

This was because the Labour government was too stupid to see the importance of the bases and just wanted to save money. Once the Americans made them realise, Britain has been determined to keep the bases ever since. The Annan Plan is clear proof of that.

and more ... The Anon Scam would have given GB full rights over the natural resources (oil) offshore from the blooming bases, halfway to bleeding Egypt!

Under the 1960 "independence" provisions, GB didn't have this potentially nice little earner; all the offshore resources were and are the RoC's.

[Simon]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

This was because the Labour government was too stupid to see the importance of the bases and just wanted to save money. Once the Americans made them realise, Britain has been determined to keep the bases ever since. The Annan Plan is clear proof of that.

and more ... The Anon Scam would have given GB full rights over the natural resources (oil) offshore from the blooming bases, halfway to bleeding Egypt!

Under the 1960 "independence" provisions, GB didn't have this potentially nice little earner; all the offshore resources were and are the RoC's.

Spot on bill.

[insan]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

This was because the Labour government was too stupid to see the importance of the bases and just wanted to save money. Once the Americans made them realise, Britain has been determined to keep the bases ever since. The Annan Plan is clear proof of that.

Because of this or that; Calaghan and then the British administration wanted to pull US armed forces into the mess of the events of 1974 with an aim of getting rid of the pain having the sovereign bases... When Kissinger realised the intention of Brits, prevent them intervening in any way... Because if Brits intervened, they would create a situation as if they couldn't manage to stop Turks and needed the military reinforcement of US... They would pull US forces into the mess and after the catastrophe of 1974, they were planing to hand over the bases to US... It didn't work.

[bill cobbett]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

This was because the Labour government was too stupid to see the importance of the bases and just wanted to save money. Once the Americans made them realise, Britain has been determined to keep the bases ever since. The Annan Plan is clear proof of that.

and more ... The Anon Scam would have given GB full rights over the natural resources (oil) offshore from the blooming bases, halfway to bleeding Egypt!

Under the 1960 "independence" provisions, GB didn't have this potentially nice little earner; all the offshore resources were and are the RoC's.

Spot on bill.

Thanks mate, you're very kind.

.. and another thing ... Where are the tens, perhaps hundreds of millions of pounds that GB promised to pay in the early '60s?

Part of the "independence" (pollocks! Never happened) deal was the bases in return for development aid. !!!!!