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[GeorgeV97qaue]

I assume this would have already been posted:

So any excuses for Turkeys 'Intervention' like 'saving the TC's' is utter
c--p.

It's not an excuse, Deniz. Intervention was necessary and Turkey intervened... Why do u think it was an excuse?

Ps: Barouti, provide a link to the above document please.

I am confident that NATO (in fact USA) had made their decision prior to the intervention.

Do you think I am wrong?


btw; I do believe the TCs were in danger from the Sampson regime.

How can NATO be infact USA, Deniz? Yes, I think u r wrong.

NATO is the 'mouth piece ' of America. NATO is America's brainchild. Have you forotten why it was formed? Do you remember the USSR? The great big bear?

Yes, I won't deny the strong influence of US in NATO but don't forget that there r many sovereign and strong European countries which r members of NATO, too... if NATO approved Turkish intervention in 1974 it was because they believed that was right not because of just US pressure...

You do talk crap insan. Nato is america. Why are you so stupid. I guess because you dont want to give back what you stole.

Don't talk crap, George! if NATO is US, what is Greece and all other NATO members job there?

And, btw; what's the relation between my acceptance of NATO being US and not giving back what we supposedly stole?

I'm affraid it's you that is talking crap. Are you telling me Greece, France & Germany gave the go ahead for the invasion of Cyprus. It was Kissinger and America who did that with UK's help. You seem to forget it was at the height of the Cold War so america had to lick turkeys arse if they wanted to keep their bases. Nothing to do with it being right or anything else.

It's u r talking crap! It was Barudi's and Hellenic propaganda website's claim that NATO approved Turkish intervention. Go tell ur Hellenic propaganda websites how crap they talk!

Since when did TC's believe Greek propaganda web sites. You always state they talk shit. As I said US lead NATO they NATO does what its told.

[insan]

I assume this would have already been posted:

So any excuses for Turkeys 'Intervention' like 'saving the TC's' is utter
c--p.

It's not an excuse, Deniz. Intervention was necessary and Turkey intervened... Why do u think it was an excuse?

Ps: Barouti, provide a link to the above document please.

I am confident that NATO (in fact USA) had made their decision prior to the intervention.

Do you think I am wrong?


btw; I do believe the TCs were in danger from the Sampson regime.

How can NATO be infact USA, Deniz? Yes, I think u r wrong.

NATO is the 'mouth piece ' of America. NATO is America's brainchild. Have you forotten why it was formed? Do you remember the USSR? The great big bear?

Yes, I won't deny the strong influence of US in NATO but don't forget that there r many sovereign and strong European countries which r members of NATO, too... if NATO approved Turkish intervention in 1974 it was because they believed that was right not because of just US pressure...

Insan, you have to be the biggest idiot on this forum!

If some NATO countries approved of the invasion, then why don't those nations actually recognise the "trnc"? They don't recognise you, because they know that the Turkish invasion was wrong!

NATO, and the US knew from the outset that the invasion was illegal, so their support had to be covert.

What is your IQ again?

The extreme idiot, Bafidi; i said IF NATO approved... it is the first time I hear that NATO approved Turkish intervention to Cyprus, in 1974. I googled abt that document and found out that it was published by only a several Hellenic propaganda websites, for a purpose most probably feed the anti-NATO sentiments of GCs and/or put the blame on US, Britain and Turkey with an aim whitewashing the actions of Greece, Junta, GC national front and EOKA-B that all primarily contributed to the Cyprus tragedy.

If NATO did not approve the invasion, then it would not have taken place you gollywog!

Reh bugaboo, Turkey waited 5 long days either for a joint intervention or resignation of Sampson... Neither happened and Turkey intervened alone despite the US opposition! Gologo!

The paper under the subtitle “Three hours before the operation” writes: “The time is 02:00 am. Three hours before the deployment of the troops to the island, that is before the beginning of the operation. Ecevit is meeting the mediator between Turkey and Greece and who is reluctant to the peace operation to Cyprus, the US Under-Secretary of Foreign Affairs Joseph Sisco and the US Ambassador William Macomber.”

The paper continuous: “Sisco transferred to Ecevit the message of the US Secretary of State Kissinger, ‘We are open to all the alternatives in order to solve the problem’. But [Sisco] by seeing Ecevit determined he said: ‘If you continue your way you know the difficulties that you will encounter. The 80% of the island are Greek Cypriots. The USA is not a bad ally. Nor in the past was it a bad ally; and in the future it will not be’.”

In its inside pages the paper adds, inter alia, the following under the title “You made me go on a milk truck: “Sisco starts the conversation and says: ‘You may have heard some words before. We understand your worries. We know the history of Cyprus. On certain occasions we agreed with Turkey’. He continues by explaining the atmosphere existing in Greece: ‘They are aware about the seriousness of the situation. They are ready to negotiate, bargain and start a dialogue. In parallel they are preparing to fight as this is a situation that interests the army as well. America is opposing to direct or indirect ‘ENOSIS’.”

The paper writes also an incident which happened the night of the “operation”: “The UK Prime Minister of that time Harold Wilson called Ecevit and said: ‘You made me run from my house to Downing Street (the Prime Ministry). I could not even find a vehicle; I came to the Prime Ministry on a dairy truck.”

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.ns ... enDocument

[Paphitis]

I assume this would have already been posted:

So any excuses for Turkeys 'Intervention' like 'saving the TC's' is utter
c--p.

It's not an excuse, Deniz. Intervention was necessary and Turkey intervened... Why do u think it was an excuse?

Ps: Barouti, provide a link to the above document please.

I am confident that NATO (in fact USA) had made their decision prior to the intervention.

Do you think I am wrong?


btw; I do believe the TCs were in danger from the Sampson regime.

How can NATO be infact USA, Deniz? Yes, I think u r wrong.

NATO is the 'mouth piece ' of America. NATO is America's brainchild. Have you forotten why it was formed? Do you remember the USSR? The great big bear?

Yes, I won't deny the strong influence of US in NATO but don't forget that there r many sovereign and strong European countries which r members of NATO, too... if NATO approved Turkish intervention in 1974 it was because they believed that was right not because of just US pressure...

You do talk crap insan. Nato is america. Why are you so stupid. I guess because you dont want to give back what you stole.

Don't talk crap, George! if NATO is US, what is Greece and all other NATO members job there?

And, btw; what's the relation between my acceptance of NATO being US and not giving back what we supposedly stole?

I'm affraid it's you that is talking crap. Are you telling me Greece, France & Germany gave the go ahead for the invasion of Cyprus. It was Kissinger and America who did that with UK's help. You seem to forget it was at the height of the Cold War so america had to lick turkeys arse if they wanted to keep their bases. Nothing to do with it being right or anything else.

It's u r talking crap! It was Barudi's and Hellenic propaganda website's claim that NATO approved Turkish intervention. Go tell ur Hellenic propaganda websites how crap they talk!

Since when did TC's believe Greek propaganda web sites. You always state they talk shit. As I said US lead NATO they NATO does what its told.

That's not true either!

NATO has 28 member states, and each state has an equal say in NATO affairs.

Among the members you have the UK, Canada, Germany, France, Italy, and Spain. So simply stating that the US completely controls NATO is very naive.

[Paphitis]

I assume this would have already been posted:

So any excuses for Turkeys 'Intervention' like 'saving the TC's' is utter
c--p.

It's not an excuse, Deniz. Intervention was necessary and Turkey intervened... Why do u think it was an excuse?

Ps: Barouti, provide a link to the above document please.

I am confident that NATO (in fact USA) had made their decision prior to the intervention.

Do you think I am wrong?


btw; I do believe the TCs were in danger from the Sampson regime.

How can NATO be infact USA, Deniz? Yes, I think u r wrong.

NATO is the 'mouth piece ' of America. NATO is America's brainchild. Have you forotten why it was formed? Do you remember the USSR? The great big bear?

Yes, I won't deny the strong influence of US in NATO but don't forget that there r many sovereign and strong European countries which r members of NATO, too... if NATO approved Turkish intervention in 1974 it was because they believed that was right not because of just US pressure...

Insan, you have to be the biggest idiot on this forum!

If some NATO countries approved of the invasion, then why don't those nations actually recognise the "trnc"? They don't recognise you, because they know that the Turkish invasion was wrong!

NATO, and the US knew from the outset that the invasion was illegal, so their support had to be covert.

What is your IQ again?

The extreme idiot, Bafidi; i said IF NATO approved... it is the first time I hear that NATO approved Turkish intervention to Cyprus, in 1974. I googled abt that document and found out that it was published by only a several Hellenic propaganda websites, for a purpose most probably feed the anti-NATO sentiments of GCs and/or put the blame on US, Britain and Turkey with an aim whitewashing the actions of Greece, Junta, GC national front and EOKA-B that all primarily contributed to the Cyprus tragedy.

If NATO did not approve the invasion, then it would not have taken place you gollywog!

Reh bugaboo, Turkey waited 5 long days either for a joint intervention or resignation of Sampson... Neither happened and Turkey intervened alone despite the US opposition! Gologo!

The paper under the subtitle “Three hours before the operation” writes: “The time is 02:00 am. Three hours before the deployment of the troops to the island, that is before the beginning of the operation. Ecevit is meeting the mediator between Turkey and Greece and who is reluctant to the peace operation to Cyprus, the US Under-Secretary of Foreign Affairs Joseph Sisco and the US Ambassador William Macomber.”

The paper continuous: “Sisco transferred to Ecevit the message of the US Secretary of State Kissinger, ‘We are open to all the alternatives in order to solve the problem’. But [Sisco] by seeing Ecevit determined he said: ‘If you continue your way you know the difficulties that you will encounter. The 80% of the island are Greek Cypriots. The USA is not a bad ally. Nor in the past was it a bad ally; and in the future it will not be’.”

In its inside pages the paper adds, inter alia, the following under the title “You made me go on a milk truck: “Sisco starts the conversation and says: ‘You may have heard some words before. We understand your worries. We know the history of Cyprus. On certain occasions we agreed with Turkey’. He continues by explaining the atmosphere existing in Greece: ‘They are aware about the seriousness of the situation. They are ready to negotiate, bargain and start a dialogue. In parallel they are preparing to fight as this is a situation that interests the army as well. America is opposing to direct or indirect ‘ENOSIS’.”

The paper writes also an incident which happened the night of the “operation”: “The UK Prime Minister of that time Harold Wilson called Ecevit and said: ‘You made me run from my house to Downing Street (the Prime Ministry). I could not even find a vehicle; I came to the Prime Ministry on a dairy truck.”

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.ns ... enDocument

If NATO did not offer its endorsement then there would not have been an invasion.

You are being very stupid Insan, because Turkey did not wait for NATO to intervene but somehow miraculously mobilised army and naval units to stage the invasion in record time, which to me indicates that Turkey was preparing for the invasion well before the coup even took place!

[insan]

I assume this would have already been posted:

So any excuses for Turkeys 'Intervention' like 'saving the TC's' is utter
c--p.

It's not an excuse, Deniz. Intervention was necessary and Turkey intervened... Why do u think it was an excuse?

Ps: Barouti, provide a link to the above document please.

I am confident that NATO (in fact USA) had made their decision prior to the intervention.

Do you think I am wrong?


btw; I do believe the TCs were in danger from the Sampson regime.

How can NATO be infact USA, Deniz? Yes, I think u r wrong.

NATO is the 'mouth piece ' of America. NATO is America's brainchild. Have you forotten why it was formed? Do you remember the USSR? The great big bear?

Yes, I won't deny the strong influence of US in NATO but don't forget that there r many sovereign and strong European countries which r members of NATO, too... if NATO approved Turkish intervention in 1974 it was because they believed that was right not because of just US pressure...

Insan, you have to be the biggest idiot on this forum!

If some NATO countries approved of the invasion, then why don't those nations actually recognise the "trnc"? They don't recognise you, because they know that the Turkish invasion was wrong!

NATO, and the US knew from the outset that the invasion was illegal, so their support had to be covert.

What is your IQ again?

The extreme idiot, Bafidi; i said IF NATO approved... it is the first time I hear that NATO approved Turkish intervention to Cyprus, in 1974. I googled abt that document and found out that it was published by only a several Hellenic propaganda websites, for a purpose most probably feed the anti-NATO sentiments of GCs and/or put the blame on US, Britain and Turkey with an aim whitewashing the actions of Greece, Junta, GC national front and EOKA-B that all primarily contributed to the Cyprus tragedy.

If NATO did not approve the invasion, then it would not have taken place you gollywog!

Reh bugaboo, Turkey waited 5 long days either for a joint intervention or resignation of Sampson... Neither happened and Turkey intervened alone despite the US opposition! Gologo!

The paper under the subtitle “Three hours before the operation” writes: “The time is 02:00 am. Three hours before the deployment of the troops to the island, that is before the beginning of the operation. Ecevit is meeting the mediator between Turkey and Greece and who is reluctant to the peace operation to Cyprus, the US Under-Secretary of Foreign Affairs Joseph Sisco and the US Ambassador William Macomber.”

The paper continuous: “Sisco transferred to Ecevit the message of the US Secretary of State Kissinger, ‘We are open to all the alternatives in order to solve the problem’. But [Sisco] by seeing Ecevit determined he said: ‘If you continue your way you know the difficulties that you will encounter. The 80% of the island are Greek Cypriots. The USA is not a bad ally. Nor in the past was it a bad ally; and in the future it will not be’.”

In its inside pages the paper adds, inter alia, the following under the title “You made me go on a milk truck: “Sisco starts the conversation and says: ‘You may have heard some words before. We understand your worries. We know the history of Cyprus. On certain occasions we agreed with Turkey’. He continues by explaining the atmosphere existing in Greece: ‘They are aware about the seriousness of the situation. They are ready to negotiate, bargain and start a dialogue. In parallel they are preparing to fight as this is a situation that interests the army as well. America is opposing to direct or indirect ‘ENOSIS’.”

The paper writes also an incident which happened the night of the “operation”: “The UK Prime Minister of that time Harold Wilson called Ecevit and said: ‘You made me run from my house to Downing Street (the Prime Ministry). I could not even find a vehicle; I came to the Prime Ministry on a dairy truck.”

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.ns ... enDocument

If NATO did not offer its endorsement then there would not have been an invasion.

You are being very stupid Insan, because Turkey did not wait for NATO to intervene but somehow miraculously mobilised army and naval units to stage the invasion in record time, which to me indicates that Turkey was preparing for the invasion well before the coup even took place!

Reh gologo, did i claim that Turkey waited for Nato? Turkey waited for a joint intervention of Britain and Turkey... also waited for US mediation to presurrize Greece to convince Sampson to resign and restoration of Makarios' status. Ma ne gologosun reh Bafidi öyle!

[GeorgeV97qaue]

I assume this would have already been posted:

So any excuses for Turkeys 'Intervention' like 'saving the TC's' is utter
c--p.

It's not an excuse, Deniz. Intervention was necessary and Turkey intervened... Why do u think it was an excuse?

Ps: Barouti, provide a link to the above document please.

I am confident that NATO (in fact USA) had made their decision prior to the intervention.

Do you think I am wrong?


btw; I do believe the TCs were in danger from the Sampson regime.

How can NATO be infact USA, Deniz? Yes, I think u r wrong.

NATO is the 'mouth piece ' of America. NATO is America's brainchild. Have you forotten why it was formed? Do you remember the USSR? The great big bear?

Yes, I won't deny the strong influence of US in NATO but don't forget that there r many sovereign and strong European countries which r members of NATO, too... if NATO approved Turkish intervention in 1974 it was because they believed that was right not because of just US pressure...

You do talk crap insan. Nato is america. Why are you so stupid. I guess because you dont want to give back what you stole.

Don't talk crap, George! if NATO is US, what is Greece and all other NATO members job there?

And, btw; what's the relation between my acceptance of NATO being US and not giving back what we supposedly stole?

I'm affraid it's you that is talking crap. Are you telling me Greece, France & Germany gave the go ahead for the invasion of Cyprus. It was Kissinger and America who did that with UK's help. You seem to forget it was at the height of the Cold War so america had to lick turkeys arse if they wanted to keep their bases. Nothing to do with it being right or anything else.

It's u r talking crap! It was Barudi's and Hellenic propaganda website's claim that NATO approved Turkish intervention. Go tell ur Hellenic propaganda websites how crap they talk!

Since when did TC's believe Greek propaganda web sites. You always state they talk shit. As I said US lead NATO they NATO does what its told.

That's not true either!


NATO has 28 member states, and each state has an equal say in NATO affairs.

Among the members you have the UK, Canada, Germany, France, Italy, and Spain. So simply stating that the US completely controls NATO is very naive.

At that time NATO was basicly Americas mouth peace. It's now very different but back then America lead the way. Why then did kissinger tell the brits to stay out of it then if the yanks werent running the show.

[Paphitis]

This is for you Insan!

Henry Kissinger and Cyprus: A War Crime?

Nicolas Mottas

September 24, 2009

Henry Kissinger is perhaps the most controversial U.S. Secretary of State of the 20th Century. Like any famous political personality he has two sides, one bright and one darker: The prominent Harvard Scholar, father of the so-called 'realpolitik' doctrine who became an expert in International Relations, but also the head of a shady diplomatic machine, whose name has been involved in political tragedies around the world. From the Vietnam war to the establishment of dictatorial regimes in Latin America.

One of these tragedies that has insolubly wounded Kissinger's reputation is the 1974 Cyprus events - the Turkish military invasion which led to the island's division. A situation which remains quite the same until today, making Nicosia the only divided capital city in the world. Actually, what was the role of Nixon and Ford's Secretary of State in Cyprus?

From his side, Mr.Kissinger has supported that the United States couldn't intervene in order to prevent Turkey's invasion in northern Cyprus. For more than 30 years, the former U.S. Secretary has tried to "wash his hands" over the Cyprus Issue by arguing that he hadn't the needed information in order to predict the aftermath of the coup against Makarios. However, Kissinger's allegations have been decomposed, since the U.S. State Department published specific declassified documents. An important number of such documents certifies that the then U.S Secretary of State had in his hands relevant C.I.A. reports which were prognosticating the Turkish military operation.

In his book "The United States and the Making of Modern Greece, History and Power, 1950-1974", american historian James Miller supports that the State Department knew what was going to happen: Kissinger was actually informed about the actions of Grivas, leader of EOKA 'B, who in co-operation with Athens' colonels planned the July 15th coup d'etat against Archbishop Makarios. These events eventually led to the Turkish invasion and island's division. Reviewing Miller's book, former U.S. diplomat John Brady Kiesling writes (2) that "Miller is properly tough in condemning Kissinger for diplomatic incompetence as well as ideological blindness" while he mentions that "(ambassador) Tasca made himself persona non grata with Secretary of State Henry Kissinger by fervently urging 6th Fleet intervention to save Cyprus".

According to Cypriot journalist Makarios Drousiotis, Mr.Kissinger constructed his strategy on the Soviet threat. But, in fact, he knew that there wasn't any serious interest from the side of Moscow - apart from verbal support of lawfulness in the island. Drousiotis, a correspondent for the Greek daily 'Eleftherotypia', has presented (1) a very interesting document of a conversation between Henry Kissinger and the Soviet ambassador in Washington Anatoly Dobrinin, just after the coup against Archbishop Makarios on July 1974: When ambassador Dobrinin says that "there are information that the British and the Turks are planning to do something (regarding the situation in Cyprus)" Kissinger replies that "we (the US) know for sure that Turkey is not going to do anything". Miscalculation, diplomatic mistake or just pure lies?

In any case, Drousiotis successfully comments that Kissinger was actually trying to avoid the "internationalization of the Cyprus case" and therefore was seeking a U.S. - U.S.S.R. regulation on the issue. Furthermore, the perspective of Turkey's withdrawal from NATO was a nighmare for the then leader of U.S. diplomacy. Mr.Kissinger himself had expressed that fear during a discussion with Archbishop Makarios on October 2, 1974 in Washington D.C. (Eleftherotypia, 12 August 2009).

Apart from the various C.I.A. reports, Henry Kissinger had received relevant information from the then head of State Department's office in Cyprus, Thomas Boyatt (Ta Nea, 19.8.2009). Just after the coup against Archbishop Makarios in Nicosia, Boyatt proposed the immediate restoration of Archbishop's authority and the eviction of the Greek military officers who took active role in the events of July 15. That was probably the safest way to avert the Turkish invasion - nonetheless, Mr.Kissinger inexcusably rejected Boyatt's proposals.

Unfortunately for Cyprus and its people, the U.S. Secretary of State repeated the same stance a few months after the first bloody invasion. He consistently rejected the proposal of the then British Foreign Minister James Callaghan to pose the threat of war against Ankara, in case of a new Turkish attack on Cyprus. It could be another strategic "mistake" of Kissinger, but in fact it was a conscious decision. Moreover, American Intelligence officers seem to have confirmed (3) that Kissinger allowed arms to be moved to Ankara (The Raw Story, 27.6.2007). The results of the Kissinger tactic towards Cyprus are quite known.

More than 1500 Greek Cypriots still missing (the bones of three young men were found recently in a mass grave), thousands of uprooted families and continuous violation of Human Rights (4) from the side of the Turkish army. Unfortunately for the fame of U.S. Foreign Policy, Henry Kissinger and his policy contributed to this war crime. Since then, he has remained in the collective memory of the Greeks as an active - negative - protagonist in one of the darkest events of modern Greek history. And many of us would agree that a whole nation's collective memory is perhaps stronger and tougher than any court's decision. The truth is that Mr.Kissinger's reputation - both moral and political - died in Cyprus, 35 years ago.

Footnotes -

1. http://www.makarios.eu/cgibin/hweb?-A=283&-V=history

2. http://www.speroforum.com/a/19815/The-U ... ern-Greece

3. http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Intel ... _0626.html

4. In 1976 and again in 1983, the European Commission of Human Rights (E.C.H.R) found Turkey guilty of repeated violations of the European Convention of Human Rights, while numerous U.N. resolutions have condemned the 1974 effort of 'ethnic cleansing' against Greek Cypriots.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/120506

[insan]

Nicolas Mottas Where's Pafidis Buttas, for more Greek propaganda!

[Paphitis]

I assume this would have already been posted:

So any excuses for Turkeys 'Intervention' like 'saving the TC's' is utter
c--p.

It's not an excuse, Deniz. Intervention was necessary and Turkey intervened... Why do u think it was an excuse?

Ps: Barouti, provide a link to the above document please.

I am confident that NATO (in fact USA) had made their decision prior to the intervention.

Do you think I am wrong?


btw; I do believe the TCs were in danger from the Sampson regime.

How can NATO be infact USA, Deniz? Yes, I think u r wrong.

NATO is the 'mouth piece ' of America. NATO is America's brainchild. Have you forotten why it was formed? Do you remember the USSR? The great big bear?

Yes, I won't deny the strong influence of US in NATO but don't forget that there r many sovereign and strong European countries which r members of NATO, too... if NATO approved Turkish intervention in 1974 it was because they believed that was right not because of just US pressure...

Insan, you have to be the biggest idiot on this forum!

If some NATO countries approved of the invasion, then why don't those nations actually recognise the "trnc"? They don't recognise you, because they know that the Turkish invasion was wrong!

NATO, and the US knew from the outset that the invasion was illegal, so their support had to be covert.

What is your IQ again?

The extreme idiot, Bafidi; i said IF NATO approved... it is the first time I hear that NATO approved Turkish intervention to Cyprus, in 1974. I googled abt that document and found out that it was published by only a several Hellenic propaganda websites, for a purpose most probably feed the anti-NATO sentiments of GCs and/or put the blame on US, Britain and Turkey with an aim whitewashing the actions of Greece, Junta, GC national front and EOKA-B that all primarily contributed to the Cyprus tragedy.

If NATO did not approve the invasion, then it would not have taken place you gollywog!

Reh bugaboo, Turkey waited 5 long days either for a joint intervention or resignation of Sampson... Neither happened and Turkey intervened alone despite the US opposition! Gologo!

The paper under the subtitle “Three hours before the operation” writes: “The time is 02:00 am. Three hours before the deployment of the troops to the island, that is before the beginning of the operation. Ecevit is meeting the mediator between Turkey and Greece and who is reluctant to the peace operation to Cyprus, the US Under-Secretary of Foreign Affairs Joseph Sisco and the US Ambassador William Macomber.”

The paper continuous: “Sisco transferred to Ecevit the message of the US Secretary of State Kissinger, ‘We are open to all the alternatives in order to solve the problem’. But [Sisco] by seeing Ecevit determined he said: ‘If you continue your way you know the difficulties that you will encounter. The 80% of the island are Greek Cypriots. The USA is not a bad ally. Nor in the past was it a bad ally; and in the future it will not be’.”

In its inside pages the paper adds, inter alia, the following under the title “You made me go on a milk truck: “Sisco starts the conversation and says: ‘You may have heard some words before. We understand your worries. We know the history of Cyprus. On certain occasions we agreed with Turkey’. He continues by explaining the atmosphere existing in Greece: ‘They are aware about the seriousness of the situation. They are ready to negotiate, bargain and start a dialogue. In parallel they are preparing to fight as this is a situation that interests the army as well. America is opposing to direct or indirect ‘ENOSIS’.”

The paper writes also an incident which happened the night of the “operation”: “The UK Prime Minister of that time Harold Wilson called Ecevit and said: ‘You made me run from my house to Downing Street (the Prime Ministry). I could not even find a vehicle; I came to the Prime Ministry on a dairy truck.”

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.ns ... enDocument

If NATO did not offer its endorsement then there would not have been an invasion.

You are being very stupid Insan, because Turkey did not wait for NATO to intervene but somehow miraculously mobilised army and naval units to stage the invasion in record time, which to me indicates that Turkey was preparing for the invasion well before the coup even took place!

Reh gologo, did i claim that Turkey waited for Nato? Turkey waited for a joint intervention of Britain and Turkey... also waited for US mediation to presurrize Greece to convince Sampson to resign and restoration of Makarios' status. Ma ne gologosun reh Bafidi öyle!

Why would England have intervened when at one stage Callaghan wanted to threaten Turkey with war if it invaded Cyprus. This was met with severe opposition from Kissinger who was plotting the partition of Cyprus.

This is why the Americans helped initiate the coup against Makarios in the first place.

[insan]

I assume this would have already been posted:

So any excuses for Turkeys 'Intervention' like 'saving the TC's' is utter
c--p.

It's not an excuse, Deniz. Intervention was necessary and Turkey intervened... Why do u think it was an excuse?

Ps: Barouti, provide a link to the above document please.

I am confident that NATO (in fact USA) had made their decision prior to the intervention.

Do you think I am wrong?


btw; I do believe the TCs were in danger from the Sampson regime.

How can NATO be infact USA, Deniz? Yes, I think u r wrong.

NATO is the 'mouth piece ' of America. NATO is America's brainchild. Have you forotten why it was formed? Do you remember the USSR? The great big bear?

Yes, I won't deny the strong influence of US in NATO but don't forget that there r many sovereign and strong European countries which r members of NATO, too... if NATO approved Turkish intervention in 1974 it was because they believed that was right not because of just US pressure...

You do talk crap insan. Nato is america. Why are you so stupid. I guess because you dont want to give back what you stole.

Don't talk crap, George! if NATO is US, what is Greece and all other NATO members job there?

And, btw; what's the relation between my acceptance of NATO being US and not giving back what we supposedly stole?

I'm affraid it's you that is talking crap. Are you telling me Greece, France & Germany gave the go ahead for the invasion of Cyprus. It was Kissinger and America who did that with UK's help. You seem to forget it was at the height of the Cold War so america had to lick turkeys arse if they wanted to keep their bases. Nothing to do with it being right or anything else.

It's u r talking crap! It was Barudi's and Hellenic propaganda website's claim that NATO approved Turkish intervention. Go tell ur Hellenic propaganda websites how crap they talk!

Since when did TC's believe Greek propaganda web sites. You always state they talk shit. As I said US lead NATO they NATO does what its told.

That's not true either!


NATO has 28 member states, and each state has an equal say in NATO affairs.

Among the members you have the UK, Canada, Germany, France, Italy, and Spain. So simply stating that the US completely controls NATO is very naive.

At that time NATO was basicly Americas mouth peace. It's now very different but back then America lead the way. Why then did kissinger tell the brits to stay out of it then if the yanks werent running the show.

First of all, it was Brits who were not willing for a joint intervention at least until evacuation of 35.000 Britis citizens from Cyprus. After all British citizens evacuated island, Brits still didn't willing to participate in the armed intervention because the danger of causing more blood shed during cross fire and making the already existed mess bigger.