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Postby insan » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:59 pm

Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:08 pm

insan wrote:
Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1


Of course hindsight is a wonderful thing, but the way that the coupist regime rapidly collapsed after Turkey invaded shows that the British assessement of the situation as reported above was flawed.
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Postby CopperLine » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:09 pm

eracles wrote:http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=588483&I=1&SE=1

The full folder is here - seems impossible to link to particular pages but i think there was a 2nd page to that document.


This page is page 18, it continues briefly on page 19.
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:41 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
insan wrote:
Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1


Of course hindsight is a wonderful thing, but the way that the coupist regime rapidly collapsed after Turkey invaded shows that the British assessement of the situation as reported above was flawed.


The above excerpt is just the brief summary of why Brits was not willing to intervene bilaterally with Turkey. Tim, in order to see the whole picture, u still need to read that 400 pages of CIA report, plus some other top secret Bulgarian Military Secret Service reports available at:

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?t ... Cold%20War

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?f ... h&filter=p

Under the then circumstances, all concerned parties(including USSR and some other socialist countries) should be very precautious before taking any steps for any purpose. The situation was too complicated. Even a little mistake could cause more bloodshed and a highly possible world war over Cyprus.
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Postby utu » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:46 pm

When you think about it, this type of document is hardly unique in the world. All nations - not just the major ones - have similar pieces of "dirty laundry" closeted away. Why should the UK be any different? Ankara probably has lots of secret documents about Taksim, while Athens pobably has tons of documents pertaining to enosis. And who knows what documentation is in the secret archives in Lefkosia?

It is all very well to hear the public announcements from governments giving "obstensive rationales" to courses of action, but NEVER forget that there are other - more cynical - reasons and motives lurking just under that public veneer...
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:23 pm

I fail to see the relevance of a possible guerilla movement against the British if they intervened in 1974 to reinstate Makarios and prevent the invasion. Oer 95 per cent of the GC population were pro Makarios and anti junta. They were more than capable of dealing with the EOKA B' people if the few tanks of the national guard were neutralised.

In the end this document is another piece of evidence that drives home the message that freedom is won, never granted. We will relearn this lesson after the Christofias Talat talks finish.
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Postby utu » Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:26 pm

Nikitas wrote: We will relearn this lesson after the Christofias Talat talks finish.


Finish? Or collapse?
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Postby insan » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:33 am

YFred, what u r looking for msut be on any page of this Australian archive. I'll have a look. :D

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine ... 3&I=1&SE=1
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Postby YFred » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:38 am

insan wrote:YFred, what u r looking for msut be on any page of this Australian archive. I'll have a look. :D

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine ... 3&I=1&SE=1

Thanks Insan. I have lots of work today so I will not be able to search for it, but the comment that Callaghan made would be very useful for The A-Team member.
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Re: take a third of the island but make it quick.

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:30 am

eracles wrote:Over in Cyprus right now and there's an article in Phileftheros on previously classified documents...

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....publicly calling for an immediate ceasfire but hey Turkey....take a third of the island but make it quick.


That's not a British Cablegram.

These are declassified documents from Australia's Department of Foreign Affairs.


http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine ... 3&I=1&SE=1
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