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[Simon]

These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams!

What about the Greeks who think they defeated the thousands strong Persian army with just 300 Spartans?

Those Spartans were magnificent...

Great soldiers!

BTW, the Persian Wars really did happen, and the 300 Spartans held the Persians at the narrow passage of Thermopylae for 3 days!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae

The Spartan military training was absolutely incredible and unbelievably brutal. Probably the most disciplined and well-trained soldiers ever.

That's where you are wrong Simon!

The Australian SAS are the most disciplined and well trained soldiers...

I knew that was coming.

Seriously though, take a look at the Spartan training, it is truly amazing.

Those too weak to be soldiers were too week to be Spartans. When a young boy was born to Spartan parents the father would take the child to the council of elders. These old calloused and scarred veterans would look at the naked infant carefully for any birth defects or the slightest sign of weakness or sickness. If they judged the crying baby to be unworthy of carrying a Spartan shield it would be taken immediately to a nearby cliff off Mt. Taygetos and thrown over the edge. If it passed this first of many life tests then the young Spartan boy would be allowed to return to his parent’s home where he lived for six years. Then the agoge or military training would start

When the young Spartan boy reached seven he was deemed too old to be coddled by his parents and was taken from them to live a military life for the rest of his existence. He was placed in a communal barracks with others his age, supervised by an older boy referred to as a Eirena who had respectively been the strongest in his class (and was himself undergoing something like officer training). For the next five years these Spartan boys were conditioned physically and mentally. They were educated- but only enough to count soldiers in a formation, read war sagas and sing and recite war poetry. . They were given rigorous strength and endurance training and physical conditioning through endless field and track events. They were taught wrestling and the art of ancient martial combat to make them lethal. They were fed -but it was a weak broth and in quantities only enough to exist. It was expected that the young starving boys would steal or otherwise find enough food to keep them strong. For this they would only be punished if caught and the lesson learned from this was how to look for food when none was available, a skill that would be needed in the future when occupying a village that had been sacked and abandoned. Discipline was the word to live by, with terrific punishments meted out if caught performing the most minor infraction.

At age twelve the lean and hungry boy was taken from the barracks and made to eat, live and sleep in one garment with no shoes under the open sky for one year, exposed to the beasts and the weather. This yearlong exercise taught survival and fieldcraft skills that he would need when deployed fighting abroad. From age thirteen until he reached what was considered manhood at twenty the Spartan child played very very serious war games. These games often left the contestants dead or injured and would include armed invasions on Messenian agricultural slaves called helots and other non Spartans living nearby. These war games taught small unit tactics, raids, reconnaissance and surveillance, and the art of the ambush. When age twenty was reached the Spartan boy was seen as a solder and had thirteen years of the hardest military training yet devised under his belt. For the next ten years he would still live in barracks as part of the standing army and only at age thirty were they allowed to marry and as a full fledged citizen, reproduce and achieve public office. It was only then that they were granted the privilege to live in their own house and not in barracks. This superbly trained Spartan soldier would still remain in the army no matter where he lived until age sixty when they were allowed to retire.

-----That is, if they were still alive.



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[insan]

One more slap into the faces of 2 Aunt Sallies:

"Shortly afterwards the Turkish prime minister, Bulent Ecevit, arrived in London for urgent consultations and met the prime minister. After he left, Wilson instructed the ministry of defence assessment staff to draw up contingency plans for a British invasion.

Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated. In the early hours of July 20 Turkish troops invaded north Cyprus and in effect partitioned the island on the grounds of protecting the Turkish Cypriot population.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1

insan, what has the above got to do with anything? This is referring to guerilla warfare if the British opposed Greek forces and reinstated Makarios. All major powers struggle with guerilla warfare, because you can't fight your enemy head on. That has nothing to do with the conventional naval warfare I am referring to.

These were British contingency plans regarding the pros and cons of British intervention. Gimme a link to that naval warfare u r refering to... Lemme check it.

Against Greek guerilla forces, yes. But what has that got to do with a naval engagement to prevent the Turkish invasion? Nothing!

Gimme a link to that naval engagement plan and after I read it I'll tell u what it has to do with Turkish peace operation.

[Paphitis]

One more slap into the faces of 2 Aunt Sallies:

"Shortly afterwards the Turkish prime minister, Bulent Ecevit, arrived in London for urgent consultations and met the prime minister. After he left, Wilson instructed the ministry of defence assessment staff to draw up contingency plans for a British invasion.

Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated. In the early hours of July 20 Turkish troops invaded north Cyprus and in effect partitioned the island on the grounds of protecting the Turkish Cypriot population.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1

insan, what has the above got to do with anything? This is referring to guerilla warfare if the British opposed Greek forces and reinstated Makarios. All major powers struggle with guerilla warfare, because you can't fight your enemy head on. That has nothing to do with the conventional naval warfare I am referring to.

These were British contingency plans regarding the pros and cons of British intervention. Gimme a link to that naval warfare u r refering to... Lemme check it.

There were many Royal Naval Ships between Kyrenia and Turkey monitoring the Turkish Naval elements steaming towards Cyprus.

There was enough firepower to send every single Turkish ship to the bottom of the sea.

[insan]

One more slap into the faces of 2 Aunt Sallies:

"Shortly afterwards the Turkish prime minister, Bulent Ecevit, arrived in London for urgent consultations and met the prime minister. After he left, Wilson instructed the ministry of defence assessment staff to draw up contingency plans for a British invasion.

Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated. In the early hours of July 20 Turkish troops invaded north Cyprus and in effect partitioned the island on the grounds of protecting the Turkish Cypriot population.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1

insan, what has the above got to do with anything? This is referring to guerilla warfare if the British opposed Greek forces and reinstated Makarios. All major powers struggle with guerilla warfare, because you can't fight your enemy head on. That has nothing to do with the conventional naval warfare I am referring to.

These were British contingency plans regarding the pros and cons of British intervention. Gimme a link to that naval warfare u r refering to... Lemme check it.

There were many Royal Naval Ships between Kyrenia and Turkey monitoring the Turkish Naval elements steaming towards Cyprus.

There was enough firepower to send every single Turkish ship to the bottom of the sea.

Gimme a link to read the full story!

[zan]

These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams!

What about the Greeks who think they defeated the thousands strong Persian army with just 300 Spartans?

Those Spartans were magnificent...

Great soldiers!

BTW, the Persian Wars really did happen, and the 300 Spartans held the Persians at the narrow passage of Thermopylae for 3 days!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae

Well the Persians had to have something to occupy them after defeating the Spartans in the first few minutes!!!

Actually, the Battle of Thermopylae gave the Greeks enough time to prepare for the Battle of Salamis and allowed them to comprehensively defeat the Persians.

And they haven't stopped using their narrow passages to further their aims since!!!

[Get Real!]

These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams!

What about the Greeks who think they defeated the thousands strong Persian army with just 300 Spartans?

Actually GR, if you knew anything about ancient Greek history, which you clearly don't, you would know that those 300 Spartans were massacred, and did not defeat the Persians. You ignoramus!

But in your Greek heads, not only did you defeat them but you went on to capture Persia and steal their magic carpets with which you ascended to heaven!

[Get Real!]

The Spartan military training was absolutely incredible and unbelievably brutal. Probably the most disciplined and well-trained soldiers ever.

That's just great... the world's "best" army were gays...

[zan]

The Spartan military training was absolutely incredible and unbelievably brutal. Probably the most disciplined and well-trained soldiers ever.

That's just great... the world's "best" army were gays...

Do you mean the world "Best dressed" army where gay??

[Get Real!]

These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams!

What about the Greeks who think they defeated the thousands strong Persian army with just 300 Spartans?

Those Spartans were magnificent...

I'll bet if Paphitis was around in those days he would've been a Spartan soldier's bitch!

[Paphitis]

These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams!

What about the Greeks who think they defeated the thousands strong Persian army with just 300 Spartans?

Actually GR, if you knew anything about ancient Greek history, which you clearly don't, you would know that those 300 Spartans were massacred, and did not defeat the Persians. You ignoramus!

But in your Greek heads, not only did you defeat them but you went on to capture Persia and steal their magic carpets with which you ascended to heaven!

If it were not for the Spartans, then the world would be a very different place today, so you better thank your lucky stars and the Greeks for saving western civilisation!