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Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:29 pm

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insan wrote:One more slap into the faces of 2 Aunt Sallies:
"Shortly afterwards the Turkish prime minister, Bulent Ecevit, arrived in London for urgent consultations and met the prime minister. After he left, Wilson instructed the ministry of defence assessment staff to draw up contingency plans for a British invasion.

Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated. In the early hours of July 20 Turkish troops invaded north Cyprus and in effect partitioned the island on the grounds of protecting the Turkish Cypriot population.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1


insan, what has the above got to do with anything? This is referring to guerilla warfare if the British opposed Greek forces and reinstated Makarios. All major powers struggle with guerilla warfare, because you can't fight your enemy head on. That has nothing to do with the conventional naval warfare I am referring to.


I think Insan has been taking some serious drugs again! :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:32 pm

Simon wrote:These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams! :lol:

What about the Greeks who think they defeated the thousands strong Persian army with just 300 Spartans? :lol:
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Postby Simon » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:35 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Simon wrote:These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams! :lol:

What about the Greeks who think they defeated the thousands strong Persian army with just 300 Spartans? :lol:


Actually GR, if you knew anything about ancient Greek history, which you clearly don't, you would know that those 300 Spartans were massacred, and did not defeat the Persians. You ignoramus! :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:35 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Simon wrote:These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams! :lol:

What about the Greeks who think they defeated the thousands strong Persian army with just 300 Spartans? :lol:


Those Spartans were magnificent...8)

Great soldiers! :lol:

BTW, the Persian Wars really did happen, and the 300 Spartans held the Persians at the narrow passage of Thermopylae for 3 days! :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
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Postby insan » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:38 pm

Simon wrote:
insan wrote:One more slap into the faces of 2 Aunt Sallies:
"Shortly afterwards the Turkish prime minister, Bulent Ecevit, arrived in London for urgent consultations and met the prime minister. After he left, Wilson instructed the ministry of defence assessment staff to draw up contingency plans for a British invasion.

Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated. In the early hours of July 20 Turkish troops invaded north Cyprus and in effect partitioned the island on the grounds of protecting the Turkish Cypriot population.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1


insan, what has the above got to do with anything? This is referring to guerilla warfare if the British opposed Greek forces and reinstated Makarios. All major powers struggle with guerilla warfare, because you can't fight your enemy head on. That has nothing to do with the conventional naval warfare I am referring to.


These were British contingency plans regarding the pros and cons of British intervention. Gimme a link to that naval warfare u r refering to... Lemme check it. :lol:
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Postby Simon » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:38 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Simon wrote:These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams! :lol:

What about the Greeks who think they defeated the thousands strong Persian army with just 300 Spartans? :lol:


Those Spartans were magnificent...8)

Great soldiers! :lol:

BTW, the Persian Wars really did happen, and the 300 Spartans held the Persians at the narrow passage of Thermopylae for 3 days! :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae


The Spartan military training was absolutely incredible and unbelievably brutal. Probably the most disciplined and well-trained soldiers ever.
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Postby zan » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:40 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Simon wrote:These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams! :lol:

What about the Greeks who think they defeated the thousands strong Persian army with just 300 Spartans? :lol:


Those Spartans were magnificent...8)

Great soldiers! :lol:

BTW, the Persian Wars really did happen, and the 300 Spartans held the Persians at the narrow passage of Thermopylae for 3 days! :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae


Well the Persians had to have something to occupy them after defeating the Spartans in the first few minutes!!! 8) :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:40 pm

Simon wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Simon wrote:These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams! :lol:

What about the Greeks who think they defeated the thousands strong Persian army with just 300 Spartans? :lol:


Those Spartans were magnificent...8)

Great soldiers! :lol:

BTW, the Persian Wars really did happen, and the 300 Spartans held the Persians at the narrow passage of Thermopylae for 3 days! :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae


The Spartan military training was absolutely incredible and unbelievably brutal. Probably the most disciplined and well-trained soldiers ever.


That's where you are wrong Simon!

The Australian SAS are the most disciplined and well trained soldiers...:lol:
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Postby Simon » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:41 pm

insan wrote:
Simon wrote:
insan wrote:One more slap into the faces of 2 Aunt Sallies:
"Shortly afterwards the Turkish prime minister, Bulent Ecevit, arrived in London for urgent consultations and met the prime minister. After he left, Wilson instructed the ministry of defence assessment staff to draw up contingency plans for a British invasion.

Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated. In the early hours of July 20 Turkish troops invaded north Cyprus and in effect partitioned the island on the grounds of protecting the Turkish Cypriot population.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1


insan, what has the above got to do with anything? This is referring to guerilla warfare if the British opposed Greek forces and reinstated Makarios. All major powers struggle with guerilla warfare, because you can't fight your enemy head on. That has nothing to do with the conventional naval warfare I am referring to.


These were British contingency plans regarding the pros and cons of British intervention. Gimme a link to that naval warfare u r refering to... Lemme check it. :lol:


Against Greek guerilla forces, yes. But what has that got to do with a naval engagement to prevent the Turkish invasion? Nothing! :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:43 pm

zan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Simon wrote:These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams! :lol:

What about the Greeks who think they defeated the thousands strong Persian army with just 300 Spartans? :lol:


Those Spartans were magnificent...8)

Great soldiers! :lol:

BTW, the Persian Wars really did happen, and the 300 Spartans held the Persians at the narrow passage of Thermopylae for 3 days! :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae


Well the Persians had to have something to occupy them after defeating the Spartans in the first few minutes!!! 8) :lol:


Actually, the Battle of Thermopylae gave the Greeks enough time to prepare for the Battle of Salamis and allowed them to comprehensively defeat the Persians.
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