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[Paphitis]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

This was because the Labour government was too stupid to see the importance of the bases and just wanted to save money. Once the Americans made them realise, Britain has been determined to keep the bases ever since. The Annan Plan is clear proof of that.

Because of this or that; Calaghan and then the British administration wanted to pull US armed forces into the mess of the events of 1974 with an aim of getting rid of the pain having the sovereign bases... When Kissinger realised the intention of Brits, prevent them intervening in any way... Because if Brits intervened, they would create a situation as if they couldn't manage to stop Turks and needed the military reinforcement of US... They would pull US forces into the mess and after the catastrophe of 1974, they were planing to hand over the bases to US... It didn't work.

There is absolutely no chance Callaghan would have been allowed to get rid of the bases!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_%2 ... ligence%29

There are at least 4 other nations with a massive interest in the SBAs. They are Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and US.

Get it?

Well, at least they would have tried to get rid of the bases had US not realised their dirty plot.

You are fantasising as usual.

There is not one single piece of evidence to suggest that Britain was planning to get rid of the SBAs.

NATO, Australia, NZ, Canada and US would clearly not allow such a thing at the peak of the cold war!

[insan]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

So where does it state that Britain threatened Military action against Turkey as a ploy to get American Forces involved when the US alread had the 6th fleet in the region and could have stopped the invasion if it wanted to?

Insan, you don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.

Furthermore, there was absolutely no chance of Britain abandoning the SBAs and any source that states this is just pure rubbish.

You are the most hilarious imbecile on this forum.

Reh Aunt Sally, reh imbecile!

K: Right. The British are all out backing the Greeks right now and
are even threatening military action against the Turks which is one of
the stupidest things I have heard. All they have there on Cyprus are a
few Phantoms and 1,000 troops. It is purely a political thing. They could
not pull it off. They want to get a crisis started and we would then
have to settle it and they would claim credit.

F: Why don’t you proceed. I will be here in Washington all weekend.
It seems sensible to me and I would rely on your good judgment.

K: Right, Mr. President. If anything happens I will call you. I will
not bother you with every tactical move.

F: The general idea, I approve.

K: It is to take a position which is between the British and the
Greek position and the Turkish one so we can ameliorate the Turkish
demand but not let the Turks claim that we were the ones that thwarted
them and at the same time be tough against unilateral Turkish military
moves.

F: And calm down our British friends a bit.

K: Yes. We will get a message to Callaghan.5

F: Sounds sensible to me.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96606.pdf

Once again, where does it state that Britain threatened war against Turkey to rid itself of the "pain" of the SBAs?

Furthermore, if Britain did want to wage war against Turkey, then you could rest assured that your invasion of Cyprus would not have even got off the ground.

U will never get it right reh Aunt Sally, never. So why did Britain threaten a war against Turkey? What interests of Britain would be served by waring with Turkey while at that time Britain was the little pussy cat of US? Where did Brits get the balls threaten Turkey with war? What motives were behind their war threat reh, Aunt Sally?

[Paphitis]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

So where does it state that Britain threatened Military action against Turkey as a ploy to get American Forces involved when the US alread had the 6th fleet in the region and could have stopped the invasion if it wanted to?

Insan, you don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.

Furthermore, there was absolutely no chance of Britain abandoning the SBAs and any source that states this is just pure rubbish.

You are the most hilarious imbecile on this forum.

Reh Aunt Sally, reh imbecile!

K: Right. The British are all out backing the Greeks right now and
are even threatening military action against the Turks which is one of
the stupidest things I have heard. All they have there on Cyprus are a
few Phantoms and 1,000 troops. It is purely a political thing. They could
not pull it off. They want to get a crisis started and we would then
have to settle it and they would claim credit.

F: Why don’t you proceed. I will be here in Washington all weekend.
It seems sensible to me and I would rely on your good judgment.

K: Right, Mr. President. If anything happens I will call you. I will
not bother you with every tactical move.

F: The general idea, I approve.

K: It is to take a position which is between the British and the
Greek position and the Turkish one so we can ameliorate the Turkish
demand but not let the Turks claim that we were the ones that thwarted
them and at the same time be tough against unilateral Turkish military
moves.

F: And calm down our British friends a bit.

K: Yes. We will get a message to Callaghan.5

F: Sounds sensible to me.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96606.pdf

Insan, firstly, Britain transferred more troops to Cyprus to defend its interests, so they had far more than 1,000. Secondly, it is irrelevant how many troops Britain actually had on Cyprus, because the Royal Navy could have stopped the invasion before it had even started. A British Select Committee has even confirmed this.

They bloody think Turkey is a superpower and can militarily defeat the UK!

[Paphitis]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

So where does it state that Britain threatened Military action against Turkey as a ploy to get American Forces involved when the US alread had the 6th fleet in the region and could have stopped the invasion if it wanted to?

Insan, you don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.

Furthermore, there was absolutely no chance of Britain abandoning the SBAs and any source that states this is just pure rubbish.

You are the most hilarious imbecile on this forum.

Reh Aunt Sally, reh imbecile!

K: Right. The British are all out backing the Greeks right now and
are even threatening military action against the Turks which is one of
the stupidest things I have heard. All they have there on Cyprus are a
few Phantoms and 1,000 troops. It is purely a political thing. They could
not pull it off. They want to get a crisis started and we would then
have to settle it and they would claim credit.

F: Why don’t you proceed. I will be here in Washington all weekend.
It seems sensible to me and I would rely on your good judgment.

K: Right, Mr. President. If anything happens I will call you. I will
not bother you with every tactical move.

F: The general idea, I approve.

K: It is to take a position which is between the British and the
Greek position and the Turkish one so we can ameliorate the Turkish
demand but not let the Turks claim that we were the ones that thwarted
them and at the same time be tough against unilateral Turkish military
moves.

F: And calm down our British friends a bit.

K: Yes. We will get a message to Callaghan.5

F: Sounds sensible to me.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96606.pdf

Once again, where does it state that Britain threatened war against Turkey to rid itself of the "pain" of the SBAs?

Furthermore, if Britain did want to wage war against Turkey, then you could rest assured that your invasion of Cyprus would not have even got off the ground.

U will never get it right reh Aunt Sally, never. So why did Britain threaten a war against Turkey? What interests of Britain would be served by waring with Turkey while at that time Britain was the little pussy cat of US? Where did Brits get the balls threaten Turkey with war? What motives were behind their war threat reh, Aunt Sally?

Britain did not threaten Turkey with war, but there was a point during the second advance when Callaghan threatened to confront the TA in Cyprus because their advance proceeded right up to the Dhekelia SBA frontier.

So stop making things up Insan, because the above Kissinger statement was in mid August!

[Simon]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

So where does it state that Britain threatened Military action against Turkey as a ploy to get American Forces involved when the US alread had the 6th fleet in the region and could have stopped the invasion if it wanted to?

Insan, you don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.

Furthermore, there was absolutely no chance of Britain abandoning the SBAs and any source that states this is just pure rubbish.

You are the most hilarious imbecile on this forum.

Reh Aunt Sally, reh imbecile!

K: Right. The British are all out backing the Greeks right now and
are even threatening military action against the Turks which is one of
the stupidest things I have heard. All they have there on Cyprus are a
few Phantoms and 1,000 troops. It is purely a political thing. They could
not pull it off. They want to get a crisis started and we would then
have to settle it and they would claim credit.

F: Why don’t you proceed. I will be here in Washington all weekend.
It seems sensible to me and I would rely on your good judgment.

K: Right, Mr. President. If anything happens I will call you. I will
not bother you with every tactical move.

F: The general idea, I approve.

K: It is to take a position which is between the British and the
Greek position and the Turkish one so we can ameliorate the Turkish
demand but not let the Turks claim that we were the ones that thwarted
them and at the same time be tough against unilateral Turkish military
moves.

F: And calm down our British friends a bit.

K: Yes. We will get a message to Callaghan.5

F: Sounds sensible to me.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96606.pdf

Insan, firstly, Britain transferred more troops to Cyprus to defend its interests, so they had far more than 1,000. Secondly, it is irrelevant how many troops Britain actually had on Cyprus, because the Royal Navy could have stopped the invasion before it had even started. A British Select Committee has even confirmed this.

They bloody think Turkey is a superpower and can militarily defeat the UK!

These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams!

[Paphitis]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

So where does it state that Britain threatened Military action against Turkey as a ploy to get American Forces involved when the US alread had the 6th fleet in the region and could have stopped the invasion if it wanted to?

Insan, you don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.

Furthermore, there was absolutely no chance of Britain abandoning the SBAs and any source that states this is just pure rubbish.

You are the most hilarious imbecile on this forum.

Reh Aunt Sally, reh imbecile!

K: Right. The British are all out backing the Greeks right now and
are even threatening military action against the Turks which is one of
the stupidest things I have heard. All they have there on Cyprus are a
few Phantoms and 1,000 troops. It is purely a political thing. They could
not pull it off. They want to get a crisis started and we would then
have to settle it and they would claim credit.

F: Why don’t you proceed. I will be here in Washington all weekend.
It seems sensible to me and I would rely on your good judgment.

K: Right, Mr. President. If anything happens I will call you. I will
not bother you with every tactical move.

F: The general idea, I approve.

K: It is to take a position which is between the British and the
Greek position and the Turkish one so we can ameliorate the Turkish
demand but not let the Turks claim that we were the ones that thwarted
them and at the same time be tough against unilateral Turkish military
moves.

F: And calm down our British friends a bit.

K: Yes. We will get a message to Callaghan.5

F: Sounds sensible to me.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96606.pdf

Insan, firstly, Britain transferred more troops to Cyprus to defend its interests, so they had far more than 1,000. Secondly, it is irrelevant how many troops Britain actually had on Cyprus, because the Royal Navy could have stopped the invasion before it had even started. A British Select Committee has even confirmed this.

They bloody think Turkey is a superpower and can militarily defeat the UK!

These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams!

They seem to forget that even if they could pull all of the above off, then they would have to deal with the Aussies and Canadians and then they would have been fucked!

[insan]

One more slap into the faces of 2 Aunt Sallies:

"Shortly afterwards the Turkish prime minister, Bulent Ecevit, arrived in London for urgent consultations and met the prime minister. After he left, Wilson instructed the ministry of defence assessment staff to draw up contingency plans for a British invasion.

Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated. In the early hours of July 20 Turkish troops invaded north Cyprus and in effect partitioned the island on the grounds of protecting the Turkish Cypriot population.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1

[insan]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

So where does it state that Britain threatened Military action against Turkey as a ploy to get American Forces involved when the US alread had the 6th fleet in the region and could have stopped the invasion if it wanted to?

Insan, you don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.

Furthermore, there was absolutely no chance of Britain abandoning the SBAs and any source that states this is just pure rubbish.

You are the most hilarious imbecile on this forum.

Reh Aunt Sally, reh imbecile!

K: Right. The British are all out backing the Greeks right now and
are even threatening military action against the Turks which is one of
the stupidest things I have heard. All they have there on Cyprus are a
few Phantoms and 1,000 troops. It is purely a political thing. They could
not pull it off. They want to get a crisis started and we would then
have to settle it and they would claim credit.

F: Why don’t you proceed. I will be here in Washington all weekend.
It seems sensible to me and I would rely on your good judgment.

K: Right, Mr. President. If anything happens I will call you. I will
not bother you with every tactical move.

F: The general idea, I approve.

K: It is to take a position which is between the British and the
Greek position and the Turkish one so we can ameliorate the Turkish
demand but not let the Turks claim that we were the ones that thwarted
them and at the same time be tough against unilateral Turkish military
moves.

F: And calm down our British friends a bit.

K: Yes. We will get a message to Callaghan.5

F: Sounds sensible to me.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96606.pdf

Insan, firstly, Britain transferred more troops to Cyprus to defend its interests, so they had far more than 1,000. Secondly, it is irrelevant how many troops Britain actually had on Cyprus, because the Royal Navy could have stopped the invasion before it had even started. A British Select Committee has even confirmed this.

They bloody think Turkey is a superpower and can militarily defeat the UK!

These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams!

They seem to forget that even if they could pull all of the above off, then they would have to deal with the Aussies and Canadians and then they would have been fucked!

Yeaaahh. sure Aunt Sally! Mother Russia was ready waiting there to join Turkey in such surprising cases...

[Simon]

One more slap into the faces of 2 Aunt Sallies:

"Shortly afterwards the Turkish prime minister, Bulent Ecevit, arrived in London for urgent consultations and met the prime minister. After he left, Wilson instructed the ministry of defence assessment staff to draw up contingency plans for a British invasion.

Marked "Secret UK Eyes A'" and entitled Re-instatement of President Makarios in Cyprus by means of British military support, the document warns of the dangers involved in such an operation.

"This paper considers the general forces level necessary to achieve this," it begins. "It does not address itself to the possibility [of intervention] by Greece, Turkey or another nation ... However, the attempted intervention by air or sea of Greek forces could be deterred by our own forces given about 10 days notice.

"The threat will not only consist of the Cyprus national guard, Greek national contingent, EOKA B [paramilitary Greek loyalists] ... there will be sizeable elements who will actively oppose us by resorting to guerrilla warfare."

The total strength of "Greek loyal forces" was estimated at 55,000, but "standards of training are poor".

The assessment concluded that three brigades - as many as 15,000 soldiers - would be needed.

Close air support would also be necessary, but added: "Bitter experience has shown us that even a small number of dedicated men from the local population can pin down an inordinately large force for an indefinite period and we might well end up by facing an open-ended and expensive situation, like in Northern Ireland.

"Our chances of ever fully subduing the island as a whole ... must be extremely low."

Up to 23,000 service families, UK citizens and friendly nationals would be vulnerable to hostage-taking but evacuating them before an intervention "would make our intentions plain", it said.

The government hesitated and events moved faster than anticipated. In the early hours of July 20 Turkish troops invaded north Cyprus and in effect partitioned the island on the grounds of protecting the Turkish Cypriot population.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/0 ... larchives1

insan, what has the above got to do with anything? This is referring to guerilla warfare if the British opposed Greek forces and reinstated Makarios. All major powers struggle with guerilla warfare, because you can't fight your enemy head on. That has nothing to do with the conventional naval warfare I am referring to.

[Paphitis]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

So where does it state that Britain threatened Military action against Turkey as a ploy to get American Forces involved when the US alread had the 6th fleet in the region and could have stopped the invasion if it wanted to?

Insan, you don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.

Furthermore, there was absolutely no chance of Britain abandoning the SBAs and any source that states this is just pure rubbish.

You are the most hilarious imbecile on this forum.

Reh Aunt Sally, reh imbecile!

K: Right. The British are all out backing the Greeks right now and
are even threatening military action against the Turks which is one of
the stupidest things I have heard. All they have there on Cyprus are a
few Phantoms and 1,000 troops. It is purely a political thing. They could
not pull it off. They want to get a crisis started and we would then
have to settle it and they would claim credit.

F: Why don’t you proceed. I will be here in Washington all weekend.
It seems sensible to me and I would rely on your good judgment.

K: Right, Mr. President. If anything happens I will call you. I will
not bother you with every tactical move.

F: The general idea, I approve.

K: It is to take a position which is between the British and the
Greek position and the Turkish one so we can ameliorate the Turkish
demand but not let the Turks claim that we were the ones that thwarted
them and at the same time be tough against unilateral Turkish military
moves.

F: And calm down our British friends a bit.

K: Yes. We will get a message to Callaghan.5

F: Sounds sensible to me.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96606.pdf

Insan, firstly, Britain transferred more troops to Cyprus to defend its interests, so they had far more than 1,000. Secondly, it is irrelevant how many troops Britain actually had on Cyprus, because the Royal Navy could have stopped the invasion before it had even started. A British Select Committee has even confirmed this.

They bloody think Turkey is a superpower and can militarily defeat the UK!

These Turks are completely deluded Paphitis. They are brainwashed into thinking the Turks would have sunk the US Sixth Fleet, defeated the Royal Navy, and successfully defeated Greece and Cyprus all at once! Now that is some serious wet dreams!

They seem to forget that even if they could pull all of the above off, then they would have to deal with the Aussies and Canadians and then they would have been fucked!

Yeaaahh. sure Aunt Sally! Mother Russia was ready waiting there to join Turkey in such surprising cases...

I don't think so Insan. USSR if anything would have been very pleased to see Turkey get blown to smithereens. Weakening NATO's southern flank as it were!