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[kurupetos]

This is powerful support for one of Brendan O'Malley and Ian Craig's main hypotheses in "The Cyprus Conspiracy".

That is why the British Government and the American Government must pay some of the settlement costs.

No, I would be more than happy if they kicked the Turks' arses out of Cyprus, and then buggered off themselves.

[Paphitis]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

So where does it state that Britain threatened Military action against Turkey as a ploy to get American Forces involved when the US alread had the 6th fleet in the region and could have stopped the invasion if it wanted to?

Insan, you don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.

Furthermore, there was absolutely no chance of Britain abandoning the SBAs and any source that states this is just pure rubbish.

You are the most hilarious imbecile on this forum.

[Simon]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

This was because the Labour government was too stupid to see the importance of the bases and just wanted to save money. Once the Americans made them realise, Britain has been determined to keep the bases ever since. The Annan Plan is clear proof of that.

Because of this or that; Calaghan and then the British administration wanted to pull US armed forces into the mess of the events of 1974 with an aim of getting rid of the pain having the sovereign bases... When Kissinger realised the intention of Brits, prevent them intervening in any way... Because if Brits intervened, they would create a situation as if they couldn't manage to stop Turks and needed the military reinforcement of US... They would pull US forces into the mess and after the catastrophe of 1974, they were planing to hand over the bases to US... It didn't work.

Insan you are fantasising again. There was no "pain" of having the bases except the financial expense. One short-sighted politician wanted to save money, and once he was told of the importance of the bases, he changed his mind. If Britain really wanted to get rid of the bases, it could have, and the US wouldn't have been able to do anything about it. The Royal Navy could have stopped the Turkish invasion dead if it wanted to, the only reason it didn't is because the US told them not to, and Britain did not want another Suez. And if you know anything about Suez, it was a complete military success, but a political disaster because Britain and France went in without the USA's say so. This is what Callaghan is referring to here, going in without the USA's approval, nothing to do with military capability. It is also common knowledge (regarding Suez) that the US President later regretted his decision to cause political embarrassment to Britain and France.

[Paphitis]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

This was because the Labour government was too stupid to see the importance of the bases and just wanted to save money. Once the Americans made them realise, Britain has been determined to keep the bases ever since. The Annan Plan is clear proof of that.

Because of this or that; Calaghan and then the British administration wanted to pull US armed forces into the mess of the events of 1974 with an aim of getting rid of the pain having the sovereign bases... When Kissinger realised the intention of Brits, prevent them intervening in any way... Because if Brits intervened, they would create a situation as if they couldn't manage to stop Turks and needed the military reinforcement of US... They would pull US forces into the mess and after the catastrophe of 1974, they were planing to hand over the bases to US... It didn't work.

There is absolutely no chance Callaghan would have been allowed to get rid of the bases!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_%2 ... ligence%29

There are at least 4 other nations with a massive interest in the SBAs. They are Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and US.

Get it?

[Simon]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

This was because the Labour government was too stupid to see the importance of the bases and just wanted to save money. Once the Americans made them realise, Britain has been determined to keep the bases ever since. The Annan Plan is clear proof of that.

Because of this or that; Calaghan and then the British administration wanted to pull US armed forces into the mess of the events of 1974 with an aim of getting rid of the pain having the sovereign bases... When Kissinger realised the intention of Brits, prevent them intervening in any way... Because if Brits intervened, they would create a situation as if they couldn't manage to stop Turks and needed the military reinforcement of US... They would pull US forces into the mess and after the catastrophe of 1974, they were planing to hand over the bases to US... It didn't work.

There is absolutely no chance Callaghan would have been allowed to get rid the bases!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_%2 ... ligence%29

There are at least 4 other nations with a massive interest in the SBAs. They include Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and US.

Get it?

I am sure that any plans (if any) Callaghan had to get rid of the bases would never have been approved by national security chiefs in Britain anyway. Remember, Callaghan was only the Foreign Secretary at the time, it would be interesting to hear the PM's thoughts on this at that time.

[Paphitis]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

This was because the Labour government was too stupid to see the importance of the bases and just wanted to save money. Once the Americans made them realise, Britain has been determined to keep the bases ever since. The Annan Plan is clear proof of that.

Because of this or that; Calaghan and then the British administration wanted to pull US armed forces into the mess of the events of 1974 with an aim of getting rid of the pain having the sovereign bases... When Kissinger realised the intention of Brits, prevent them intervening in any way... Because if Brits intervened, they would create a situation as if they couldn't manage to stop Turks and needed the military reinforcement of US... They would pull US forces into the mess and after the catastrophe of 1974, they were planing to hand over the bases to US... It didn't work.

There is absolutely no chance Callaghan would have been allowed to get rid the bases!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_%2 ... ligence%29

There are at least 4 other nations with a massive interest in the SBAs. They include Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and US.

Get it?

I am sure that any plans (if any) Callaghan had to get rid of the bases would never have been approved by national security chiefs in Britain anyway. Remember, Callaghan was only the Foreign Secretary at the time, it would be interesting to hear the PM's thoughts on this at that time.

I don't think it would be a simple as that either.

The other Echelon participants would have to be consulted first.

There is no chance Britain could just simply decide to shut the bases down.

[insan]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

So where does it state that Britain threatened Military action against Turkey as a ploy to get American Forces involved when the US alread had the 6th fleet in the region and could have stopped the invasion if it wanted to?

Insan, you don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.

Furthermore, there was absolutely no chance of Britain abandoning the SBAs and any source that states this is just pure rubbish.

You are the most hilarious imbecile on this forum.

Reh Aunt Sally, reh imbecile!

K: Right. The British are all out backing the Greeks right now and
are even threatening military action against the Turks which is one of
the stupidest things I have heard. All they have there on Cyprus are a
few Phantoms and 1,000 troops. It is purely a political thing. They could
not pull it off. They want to get a crisis started and we would then
have to settle it and they would claim credit.

F: Why don’t you proceed. I will be here in Washington all weekend.
It seems sensible to me and I would rely on your good judgment.

K: Right, Mr. President. If anything happens I will call you. I will
not bother you with every tactical move.

F: The general idea, I approve.

K: It is to take a position which is between the British and the
Greek position and the Turkish one so we can ameliorate the Turkish
demand but not let the Turks claim that we were the ones that thwarted
them and at the same time be tough against unilateral Turkish military
moves.

F: And calm down our British friends a bit.

K: Yes. We will get a message to Callaghan.5

F: Sounds sensible to me.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96606.pdf

[insan]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

This was because the Labour government was too stupid to see the importance of the bases and just wanted to save money. Once the Americans made them realise, Britain has been determined to keep the bases ever since. The Annan Plan is clear proof of that.

Because of this or that; Calaghan and then the British administration wanted to pull US armed forces into the mess of the events of 1974 with an aim of getting rid of the pain having the sovereign bases... When Kissinger realised the intention of Brits, prevent them intervening in any way... Because if Brits intervened, they would create a situation as if they couldn't manage to stop Turks and needed the military reinforcement of US... They would pull US forces into the mess and after the catastrophe of 1974, they were planing to hand over the bases to US... It didn't work.

There is absolutely no chance Callaghan would have been allowed to get rid of the bases!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_%2 ... ligence%29

There are at least 4 other nations with a massive interest in the SBAs. They are Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and US.

Get it?

Well, at least they would have tried to get rid of the bases had US not realised their dirty plot.

[Paphitis]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

So where does it state that Britain threatened Military action against Turkey as a ploy to get American Forces involved when the US alread had the 6th fleet in the region and could have stopped the invasion if it wanted to?

Insan, you don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.

Furthermore, there was absolutely no chance of Britain abandoning the SBAs and any source that states this is just pure rubbish.

You are the most hilarious imbecile on this forum.

Reh Aunt Sally, reh imbecile!

K: Right. The British are all out backing the Greeks right now and
are even threatening military action against the Turks which is one of
the stupidest things I have heard. All they have there on Cyprus are a
few Phantoms and 1,000 troops. It is purely a political thing. They could
not pull it off. They want to get a crisis started and we would then
have to settle it and they would claim credit.

F: Why don’t you proceed. I will be here in Washington all weekend.
It seems sensible to me and I would rely on your good judgment.

K: Right, Mr. President. If anything happens I will call you. I will
not bother you with every tactical move.

F: The general idea, I approve.

K: It is to take a position which is between the British and the
Greek position and the Turkish one so we can ameliorate the Turkish
demand but not let the Turks claim that we were the ones that thwarted
them and at the same time be tough against unilateral Turkish military
moves.

F: And calm down our British friends a bit.

K: Yes. We will get a message to Callaghan.5

F: Sounds sensible to me.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96606.pdf

Once again, where does it state that Britain threatened war against Turkey to rid itself of the "pain" of the SBAs?

Furthermore, if Britain did want to wage war against Turkey, then you could rest assured that your invasion of Cyprus would not have even got off the ground.

[Simon]

"We took a decision to cut down on defence and closing one or two of the major bases on Cyprus was a strong runner," Callaghan says, adding that US military and "high-level" State Department officials repeatedly asked for the intelligence bases to be saved. Under the terms of an earlier agreement, if Britain had pulled out of Cyprus, America could not have taken over the running of sovereign bases and separate spying sites inside Cypriot territory. Cyprus had "extreme value" as a "centre for electronic surveillance of the Soviet Union's nuclear activities, the cold war was hotting up and there were new Soviet missile test facilities being developed near the Caspian Sea, which we were able to look over. So the Americans didn't want us to go." Cyprus's key role in monitoring Soviet nuclear missile tests has never been admitted by the British or Americans before.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

More proofs for illiterate, imbecile Pafidi.

So where does it state that Britain threatened Military action against Turkey as a ploy to get American Forces involved when the US alread had the 6th fleet in the region and could have stopped the invasion if it wanted to?

Insan, you don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.

Furthermore, there was absolutely no chance of Britain abandoning the SBAs and any source that states this is just pure rubbish.

You are the most hilarious imbecile on this forum.

Reh Aunt Sally, reh imbecile!

K: Right. The British are all out backing the Greeks right now and
are even threatening military action against the Turks which is one of
the stupidest things I have heard. All they have there on Cyprus are a
few Phantoms and 1,000 troops. It is purely a political thing. They could
not pull it off. They want to get a crisis started and we would then
have to settle it and they would claim credit.

F: Why don’t you proceed. I will be here in Washington all weekend.
It seems sensible to me and I would rely on your good judgment.

K: Right, Mr. President. If anything happens I will call you. I will
not bother you with every tactical move.

F: The general idea, I approve.

K: It is to take a position which is between the British and the
Greek position and the Turkish one so we can ameliorate the Turkish
demand but not let the Turks claim that we were the ones that thwarted
them and at the same time be tough against unilateral Turkish military
moves.

F: And calm down our British friends a bit.

K: Yes. We will get a message to Callaghan.5

F: Sounds sensible to me.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96606.pdf

Insan, firstly, Britain transferred more troops to Cyprus to defend its interests, so they had far more than 1,000. Secondly, it is irrelevant how many troops Britain actually had on Cyprus, because the Royal Navy could have stopped the invasion before it had even started. A British Select Committee has even confirmed this.