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[Viewpoint]

I am on a lower level and resort to insults? You accused me of running away and made a racist comment about me being a typical GC. And this was not insulting me first? Go and argue with someone on your IQ level VP.

Did I quote anything you are not? or did I touch a nerve. Do you not like being a typcial GC? or the fact that you were running away from your own thread. You are a warmonger and I will say what is necessary to expose you as such. Are you a 14yo?

[Simon]

Did I quote anything you are not? Or did I touch a nerve? We can both play stupid games. Whether I mind being called a typical GC or not depends on the intention of the person saying it. I'm not running away from any thread, I have dealt with every objection and I have better things to do than go around in circles with the likes of you. When a Turk calls another a warmonger, I can only laugh.

I think 14 more accurately represents your IQ score.

[christos1]

I know many people will disagree and even hate me for saying this, but I will say it anyway as it is truly how I feel.

If these peace talks fail, Turkey is refused entry into the EU, and the EU leverage is lost, then what? We will undoubtedly then begin hearing about the fait accompli and how it may be time to lift the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots. We will then be in very dangerous territory. It is unrealistic for us to think that the world will keep the TCs isolated forever. Therefore, there may only be one option left. Are we ready to understand this? Ruling out liberating our island by force is plain folly, unless of course you do not care about signing away 37% of your country whilst being laughed at in the same breath.

Some wise words I read the other day:

"Greece was liberated by terrorists.. who later
were called freedom rebels... after they were
dead, that's the truth..... Now in Cyprus
I can clearly see that most people are afraid
to break the law, afraid to fight, and
would never put war above their families and
business objectives, and that's why you will never be liberated... The Turkish still want
to take more of your wealth, and take your
oil reserves and you just stand there watching
them".

Whilst I don't completely agree with the "you just stand there watching them" the above certainly has a hint of truth in it.

Even if we cannot defeat Turkey in conventional warfare, we could certainly do it enough damage that it would be very expensive for it to remain here. Yes, guerilla warfare if needs be. Were EOKA a match militarily for Britain, of course not, but they were still very effective. Are we ready to fight? Are we willing to sacrifice? Are we willing to accept that things may get much worse, before they get better? Surely the RoC has extensive plans and alternatives on how we can liberate our island by force. Surely we have planned painstakingly for this. Tactics are much more important than numbers, especially on a small island like Cyprus, where having numbers too large can hinder you.

Is Cyprus the only country in the world under occupation where there is no armed resistance whatsoever? Isn't Turkey getting away with this occupation so easily because there is peace? Even if it leads to Turkey occupying the whole of Cyprus, this may strengthen our position. It will certainly weaken Turkey internationally and make the occupation even more costly, in terms of money and lives. And how long will the EU allow a member to be occupied against its will? Especially when lives are being lost. The situation would be untenable. If we haven't already, we should be preparing for Plan B.

With all do respect Simon, this talk is just plain silly. Shevardnadze wouldn't even contemplate something like this. Cyprus of today is not the Cyprus of the 1950s, far, far from it.

The Cyprus of today is drifting on its own. Greece does not want to play in your sand box and for very good reasons. You talk of EOKA? Do you realize that a lot of Cypriots today despise that organization? A recent conversation i had with a British Cypriot who loves to talk of what could have been, couldnt stop talking about EOKA. This individual was persistent on talking about the evils of EOKA. I told him that my father was in EOKA but that was then and now my family has many British friends. His response was that i needed to check out some British small wars website. The people here are more concerned with what sort of cigars they are smoking or who is driving the latest Mercedes benz or BMW. Even the amount of friends on facebook gets mentioned more here than the division of Cyprus. They dont care.

I mean, i can picture them running into the mountains with a gun in one hand and a wireless laptop in the other. After all, they have a facebook account that needs to be updated on a regular basis. I am sure you understand.

War is not the answer Simon, it could scutt ohhh, i just got SMSed...its frapp time! Oh Joy! Hey, i dont drink that stuff but my friends cant get enough of it. I like beer. Simon, you can join if you want. Elias is bringing his wireless laptop as he always does so you can update your facebook, you know? I plan to get plastered and then hit a club. Welcome to Cyprus and have a truly nice day.

[Viewpoint]

Did I quote anything you are not? Or did I touch a nerve? We can both play stupid games. Whether I mind being called a typical GC or not depends on the intention of the person saying it. I'm not running away from any thread, I have dealt with every objection and I have better things to do than go around in circles with the likes of you. When a Turk calls another a warmonger, I can only laugh.

I think 14 more accurately represents your IQ score.

Would you mind returning to the thread and stop trying to devert from the issue you have raised that Cyprus should be liberated by arms from its own people.

[Simon]

Christos,

With all do respect, your post is absolutely irrelevant to my point. I can point out one inaccuracy in your post though, most dislike EOKA B, not the original EOKA, whom I referred to. They are still seen as heroes and freedom fighters by the vast majority.

So you prefer getting drunk and going on facebook, rather than liberating your country. Fair enough. You basically don't care enough, which is what I suspected of many GCs. If that is the attitude of today's youth in Cyprus, let us agree to partition today and quit messing around.

[Bananiot]

Anybody else who supports simon's idea of starting a guerilla warfare? So far we have two volunteers, sotos and Yialousa. Christos 1 has chickened out. He does not think it is a good idea because many GC's will not follow suit.

[Simon]

I was waiting for you Bananiot, what took you so long?

You misrepresent my argument though. But of course I expected that.

[Simon]

I bet Get Real would offer his support. Where are you GR

[insan]

I bet Get Real would offer his support. Where are you GR

He is looking for some reservists.

[denizaksulu]

den,

whether GCs have nationalists or not is irrelevant. I'm not saying one is better than the other. Christofias is not a nationalist. What I'm saying is with Talat, we have the best chance of a negotiated settlement. And we still can't agree on any major issue. What happens when the EU carrot is taken away from Turkey, or if Turkey no longer wants to join the EU? Public opinion is already moving in this direction.

Perhaps steps should be taken to change public opinion in the right direction. More Pressure should be put on Turkey by the USA if the others' carrot has failed.

Talk of guerilla warfare is non-sensical.

First of all, Deniz, EU is not a carrot for anyone. EU is the first step of globalization project and needs to be completed in order to switch to the next step which is globalization of middle east. There r 2 main political groups in EU. One of them, namely Christian Democrats; does not want Turkey to join EU as a full member mainly beacause of religous factors and large population of Turkey. Turkey, as a laic-secular state, aimed to westernization since it's foundation; has always been an important ally of western alliance. The only obstacle in front of Turkey's EU accession is the Christian Democrats; the rest is just excuses that only ordinary people believe.

Turkey can't desist from joining EU because of the westernization policy that has been one of the most significant national cause since her foundation. EU needs Turkey more than Turkey needs EU. This is a crystal clear fact but as long as Turkey is in western alliance she will do her best to join EU as a full member. Expecting and pressurizing Turkey to force TCs to accept minority status for TCs in order to open her own way into EU is just a big waste of time; moreover a destructive behavior harmful to western alliance.

As I stated previously, if even one day majority of the states in Western Alliance dare to harm the interests of Turkey; Turkey would not hesitate to
form another alliance in a huge territory from middle east to far east.

My reference of 'carrots' was in response to Simons reference to the same.