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[Get Real!]

Turkan, these people do not know what war is.

It’s precisely my personal experience of the one-sided war that drives me Y-Fronts. Cyprus MUST HAVE a proper two-sided war to determine her future once and for all. The Ottoman remnants MUST confront the now armed indigenous Cypriots BEFORE they can wave any flags of victory and talk about “power sharing” and such. You MUST EARN for yourselves all that you claim, and not have it handed to you on a plate by an outside power. No handouts.

You like the odds hey GR - 5 to 1. Guess what CIA says you need 10 to 1 odds to win. I'd give up if I was you. You know these TCs are a tough bunch. I know I lived amongst them. Make a deal, it will be good for everyone.

That’s a very strange type of “courage” you Turkish Cypriots display…you have no problem with the Greek Cypriots confronting Turkey, in fact you even think it’s a great idea, but you buckle at the thought of Turkish Cypriots confronting the Greek Cypriots... tough bunch? I don't think so... you're just full of shit.

[YFred]

Turkan, these people do not know what war is.

It’s precisely my personal experience of the one-sided war that drives me Y-Fronts. Cyprus MUST HAVE a proper two-sided war to determine her future once and for all. The Ottoman remnants MUST confront the now armed indigenous Cypriots BEFORE they can wave any flags of victory and talk about “power sharing” and such. You MUST EARN for yourselves all that you claim, and not have it handed to you on a plate by an outside power. No handouts.

You like the odds hey GR - 5 to 1. Guess what CIA says you need 10 to 1 odds to win. I'd give up if I was you. You know these TCs are a tough bunch. I know I lived amongst them. Make a deal, it will be good for everyone.

That’s a very strange type of “courage” you Turkish Cypriots display…you have no problem with the Greek Cypriots confronting Turkey, in fact you even think it’s a great idea, but you buckle at the thought of Turkish Cypriots confronting the Greek Cypriots... tough bunch? I don't think so... you're just full of shit.

I am just giving you some friendly advice, ignore it at your peril. Did you ever hear about what the Lurucadis did to the RoC in 1964 when Greek police picked up 2 Lurucadis and refused to give them Back?

[denizaksulu]

Turkan, these people do not know what war is.

It’s precisely my personal experience of the one-sided war that drives me Y-Fronts. Cyprus MUST HAVE a proper two-sided war to determine her future once and for all. The Ottoman remnants MUST confront the now armed indigenous Cypriots BEFORE they can wave any flags of victory and talk about “power sharing” and such. You MUST EARN for yourselves all that you claim, and not have it handed to you on a plate by an outside power. No handouts.

You like the odds hey GR - 5 to 1. Guess what CIA says you need 10 to 1 odds to win. I'd give up if I was you. You know these TCs are a tough bunch. I know I lived amongst them. Make a deal, it will be good for everyone.

That’s a very strange type of “courage” you Turkish Cypriots display…you have no problem with the Greek Cypriots confronting Turkey, in fact you even think it’s a great idea, but you buckle at the thought of Turkish Cypriots confronting the Greek Cypriots... tough bunch? I don't think so... you're just full of shit.

What sort of challenge is this GR? Half a million GCs against approx. 100,000 thousand TCs? The RoC, which is capable of purchasing the latest missiles? Very brave of you indeed. Or are you challenging the might of the Turkish contingent too.

Admin, put this thread in the Jokes section please.

[YFred]

Turkan, these people do not know what war is.

It’s precisely my personal experience of the one-sided war that drives me Y-Fronts. Cyprus MUST HAVE a proper two-sided war to determine her future once and for all. The Ottoman remnants MUST confront the now armed indigenous Cypriots BEFORE they can wave any flags of victory and talk about “power sharing” and such. You MUST EARN for yourselves all that you claim, and not have it handed to you on a plate by an outside power. No handouts.

You like the odds hey GR - 5 to 1. Guess what CIA says you need 10 to 1 odds to win. I'd give up if I was you. You know these TCs are a tough bunch. I know I lived amongst them. Make a deal, it will be good for everyone.

That’s a very strange type of “courage” you Turkish Cypriots display…you have no problem with the Greek Cypriots confronting Turkey, in fact you even think it’s a great idea, but you buckle at the thought of Turkish Cypriots confronting the Greek Cypriots... tough bunch? I don't think so... you're just full of shit.

What sort of challenge is this GR? Half a million GCs against approx. 100,000 thousand TCs? The RoC, which is capable of purchasing the latest missiles? Very brave of you indeed. Or are you challenging the might of the Turkish contingent too.

Admin, put this thread in the Jokes section please.

No Deniz, I consider our cousins the so called "Turkish Settlers" like transfer in football, so long as we have them in our team we'll be OK. In 74 Lurucadis ended up with 4 of the Greek Tanks, we can do with some new weaponary.

[Get Real!]

I am just giving you some friendly advice, ignore it at your peril. Did you ever hear about what the Lurucadis did to the RoC in 1964 when Greek police picked up 2 Lurucadis and refused to give them Back?

Sure I did... you offered them your arse in return for their release.

[Get Real!]

What sort of challenge is this GR? Half a million GCs against approx. 100,000 thousand TCs? The RoC, which is capable of purchasing the latest missiles? Very brave of you indeed. Or are you challenging the might of the Turkish contingent too.

Admin, put this thread in the Jokes section please.

So if you haven’t got the money, and you haven’t got the military then what the hell have you got besides your rear ends to negotiate with?

[Simon]

It is the same sort of challenge that Turkey and TCs were happy to accept, when Turkey invaded and occupied tiny Cyprus. 500,000 to 100,000 is nothing when you think of 70 million versus 500,000.

[YFred]

It is obvious to anybody with more than a grain of brain that a true solution that will unify our island and give our land and rights to us can not be achieved with negotiations under the current balance of power.

At the same time Cyprus is too small to go on a direct one-on-one war with Turkey, and we definitely don't want to enter a war that 10s of thousands of people will die, hoping that doing so will somehow liberate Cyprus (i doubt it will).

Our strategy must be much more planned than that. Here is the policy I believe that Cyprus and Greece should be taking:

1) Everybody should understand the obvious, that with negotiations there will be no real solution. Therefore we shouldn't do anything during the negotiations that could help upgrade the other side, hoping that by being the "good boys" they will like us and accepted a fairer solution. They are only using the negotiations to upgrade themselves, and we should keep this in mind. Negotiations should continue and we should insist on democracy and human rights, pointing out to the world that a solution can not be achieved because the Turks reject these universally accepted principles.

2) Turkey is a torn country. Torn between Turks and Kurds, and also torn between Secularists and Islamists. Just like the used the TC minority in order to divide our island, we should use similar methods in order to divide them. For starters we should invest money in the education of the Kurdish children that live abroad (millions of them) and help them to create an even stronger national Kurdish identity. We will help the educated Kurds to teach the rest of their population about Kurdistan and about the right for freedom from the Turkish oppressors. Later on we should also help the Kurds to arm themselves and help them with information on where to strike in order to cause the biggest problems to Turkey.

Also the Turks themselves should be further divided by helping the Islamists to became more powerful and more radical.

3) We should keep Turkey in her accession process for some time because this can help us to create the divisions within Turkey I talked above, and then in the right time help the other EU states to terminate the EU accession of Turkey. The termination of the EU accession for Turkey will have extremely negative consequences to their economy.

4) In Cyprus we should do more against those who exploit the lands they stole for us. After we will win the Orams case, we should embark in a legal war against those who illegally purchased properties in occupied Cyprus. At the same time we should find ways to help reduce the funding the the pseudo state receives in other ways, such as opening casinos on our side, and making it more difficult for GCs to cross and spent money in the occupied areas.

5) We should create better relations with other countries, including the USA but also the neighbors of Turkey, such as Syria and Iran. When Turkey will turn more Islamic it will be closer to these other countries (and further from the West) and this is good for us, but keeping good relationships with those other Muslim countries can reduce the benefits that Turkey can receive from being more Islamic.

6) We should build a better army because what we have now is crap. As I said we can not win Turkey when one-on-one, but if we help create the right amount of conflict within Turkey, or even between Turkey and others, then we can easily outnumber the Turkish forces on the island and if they will be unable to reinforce themselves from Turkey then we can have a good chance in reclaiming our lands. This operation could even be part of a larger operation from the West to end the inter-communal conflict within Turkey by dividing Turkey into Turkey and Kurdistan.

What I say is probable, and many of these are even possible without us doing anything. But by having the right policy we can help to push things in a direction that we want, and we will be more prepared to take advantage of a different kind of balance of power in the region.

How long are you prepared to see if you are right? And the above can happen? 10 Million years
Dream on.

It is a well known historical fact that no armed insurrection against a greater power has ever failed in reaching its objectives, no matter if its 1 day or 600 years guerilla warfare always wins

There is always the first time. Yee Haaa stamp your foot and smack your knee like a true cowboy.

[turkkan]

It is a well known historical fact that no armed insurrection against a greater power has ever failed in reaching its objectives, no matter if its 1 day or 600 years guerilla warfare always wins

Oh dear. What kind of guerilla warfare are you talking about? Guerilla warfare is lead against an occupying army if that army is occupying the people of that land also. We are not, we chucked you out and we did it thirty years ago without any consequences. The only way you can lead a guerilla warfare is if turkey attempts to invade the rest of the ROC, and without a doubt a turkish millitary occupation of the entire ROC with GC's living in it would probably not last very long which is why we are not going to attempt such a thing. An attempt by the ROC to regain the north can only be done by conventional means using tanks, artillery and helicopters. Thats no guerilla warfare. Second, their are plenty of guerilla groups that have been defeated. Take a look at the chechens, an ethnic group known for their resilience and fighting charachter- they have been utterly and totally crushed by your friends the russians.

[wyoming cowboy]

Obviously the Turkish army is illegally occupying Cyprus, with garbage spewing out of your mouths, you are delussional if you think this situation will go on forever. The consequence to Turkey is that it has a dagger aimed at its neck and in order to remove it, it has to remove its troops from cyprus..Turkey's problems are enormous and keep getting worse, the last thing you boys would want is a couple of thousand Greekcyps wreaking havoc on your glorious soldiers...not out of any realm of possibility..they would know the area better then your generals for its their lands...What would Turkey do next..invade the free areas and endanger the thousands of uk nationals, irish nationals etc...The image of Turkey would become dirtier then it is, and the whole history of the Cyprus issue would become resurrected..to the Greek cyp advantage, for we know and the whole world knows whose lands those are and who stole them...

It is a well known historical fact that no armed insurrection against a greater power has ever failed in reaching its objectives, no matter if its 1 day or 600 years guerilla warfare always wins

Oh dear. What kind of guerilla warfare are you talking about? Guerilla warfare is lead against an occupying army if that army is occupying the people of that land also. We are not, we chucked you out and we did it thirty years ago without any consequences. The only way you can lead a guerilla warfare is if turkey attempts to invade the rest of the ROC, and without a doubt a turkish millitary occupation of the entire ROC with GC's living in it would probably not last very long which is why we are not going to attempt such a thing. An attempt by the ROC to regain the north can only be done by conventional means using tanks, artillery and helicopters. Thats no guerilla warfare. Second, their are plenty of guerilla groups that have been defeated. Take a look at the chechens, an ethnic group known for their resilience and fighting charachter- they have been utterly and totally crushed by your friends the russians.