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[Sotos]

It is scum like you the problem. We Cypriots have no problem with each other. It is you Turks who invaded our island and brought your foreign Settlers and want to steal our land who created the problem. How could there be any problem in Cyprus if there was no Turkish invasions and no Turkish Settlers?? When you Turks first invaded you divided the people into Christians and Muslims. You are talking about creating "division" as if we were ever united. We were always divided. We the Cypriots on one side, and you the foreign invaders on the other. It was like that since the day you foreigners came to our island.

[halil]

...you are the reason why division exsists today



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[Viewpoint]

It is scum like you the problem. We Cypriots have no problem with each other. It is you Turks who invaded our island and brought your foreign Settlers and want to steal our land who created the problem. How could there be any problem in Cyprus if there was no Turkish invasions and no Turkish Settlers?? When you Turks first invaded you divided the people into Christians and Muslims. You are talking about creating "division" as if we were ever united. We were always divided. We the Cypriots on one side, and you the foreign invaders on the other. It was like that since the day you foreigners came to our island.

You are not only a scum bag but also a racist....we are no foreign to Cyprus that you, we to have rights and unlessyou acknowledge this fact and come to terms with the fact that you have to share this island equally you will keep this island divided for ever.

[YFred]

I think that you are seriously lacking in legal knowledge Copperline if you believe that what I have said in this thread constitutes "a conspiracy".

I think that you are seriously lacking in legal knowledge Simon if you believe that what you have said in this thread cannot be prosecuted as "conspiracy" - this kind of thing - and much less - has been successfully been prosecuted as "conspiracy to ...." [fill in the gap] Conspiracy requires an astonishingly low threshold of evidence (scandalously low, imoh), but there you have it.

CopperLine, leave our brave volunteers alone. If they want to incriminate themselves, they are free to do it. It is their human right.

You can add Bill and Richard to that list for suggesting to kill me and throw me into the Girne sea tied to a concrete block.

I have one question for you, has Boomerang committed similar offences?

Oi Shithead I go to the mountains to return and find out I'm being invited to participate in a fuckin' war!!!

FYI I have never advocated the use of violence as the means to an end , negotiations are always preferable to gain an outcome.

However I will say that if there was no other solution (God forbid )
Then yes I would assist in the fight for a free Cyprus in what ever little way I could , for fucks sake man i'm 53 and have seen more than enough blood for one lifetime ( oh copperline if this constitutes a terrorist threat then I stand guilty)

Re your other comment that I have threatened to kill you I ask one thing of you PROVE THIS Now put up or get the fuc* out of here

I am waiting

A bit touchey today aren't we Dick old boy.

[Tim Drayton]

[...]
For starters we should invest money in the education of the Kurdish children that live abroad (millions of them) and help them to create an even stronger national Kurdish identity. We will help the educated Kurds to teach the rest of their population about Kurdistan and about the right for freedom from the Turkish oppressors.
[...]

Just curious, do you plan to educate all of these Kurdish children in the Kurmanji or Sorani dialect of Kurdish, which are mutually incomprehensible, or in both of these depending on which dialect they speak? If you do the later, perhaps you will only stress how heterogenous the people who are classified together as Kurdish really are and defeat your own purpose.

What about speakers of languages such as Zaza and Gurani, considered by many chauvenistic Kurds to be dialects of Kurdish but considered to be languages in their own right by most of the people who speak these languages? Do you plan to teach their children Kurdish, too, and if so which dialect? It is interesting to note that when in Germany, which has a policy of giving immigrant children some instruction in their native languages in state schools, the children of Zaza speakers were forced to learn Kurmaji Kurdish their parents protested strongly and succeeded in having them taught Turkish instead.

I get the feeling you have only ever spoken to Kurdish refugees from Turkey living in the West, and that is why you have such a perverse understanding of the Kurdish question in Turkey. Many of these refugees are really economic migrants and exploit their Kurdish ethnicity to get assylum. For this reason, they have to make it appear that they are commited to the Kurdish national cause and that they suffered oppression back home. I have reason to believe that quite a few citizens of the Republic of Turkey who claim to be Kurds in order to get assylum are not even Kurds. In the UK, interpreting facilities are available for assylum seekers in both Turkish and Kurdish. It is odd that so many assylum seekers claiming to be Kurdish opt for Turkish interpreters. I have worked in pulic service interpreting in the UK, so I know from experience.

Actually, the main fault line in Anatolia that has created tension and lead to outbreaks of conflict over the past four centuries is neither the dispute between Turks and Kurds nor between Islamists and Secularists, but another. And you don't know what it is. What a shame.

Tim, what I said was about funding, not that I will go there and give them the lessons myself. If they have a few differences between them it will not matter, because a common aim and a common enemy will be more than enough to unite them.

If you know of any other divisions within Turkey let me know.

The funny thing is I told you about this far deeper division within Anatolian society the last time we crossed swords on the Kurdish issue, and I cannot be bothered repeating myself.

The situation in Germany is probably quite instructive. I do not know much about the German education system, and perhaps somebody can put me straight, but it seems that, for example, in the state of Nordrheinwestfalen the immigrant parents of only 15 children at one school need to demand that they be given additional tuition in their native language and the state is obliged to put on afternoon lessons for them. Yet it seems that Kurdish is taught at only a handful of schools in the state which has a large Kurdish population. The truth is that there is little demand for such classes among Kurdish emigrants there.

Even so, what do you teach? Yes, the Kurmanji dialect is written in the Roman script by Kurdish residents of the Republic of Turkey and nowadays publications appear in this version of Kurdish in Turkey. It would make sense to teach Kurds from Turkey to read and write in this script, but what use would it be to Kurds from Syria, Iraq and Iran who write in the Arab script, or from those parts of the former Soviet Union where Kurdish is written in the Cryllic alphabet? Then what about those who speak Sorani? It is not as simple as you think.

[Sotos]

It is scum like you the problem. We Cypriots have no problem with each other. It is you Turks who invaded our island and brought your foreign Settlers and want to steal our land who created the problem. How could there be any problem in Cyprus if there was no Turkish invasions and no Turkish Settlers?? When you Turks first invaded you divided the people into Christians and Muslims. You are talking about creating "division" as if we were ever united. We were always divided. We the Cypriots on one side, and you the foreign invaders on the other. It was like that since the day you foreigners came to our island.

You are not only a scum bag but also a racist....we are no foreign to Cyprus that you, we to have rights and unlessyou acknowledge this fact and come to terms with the fact that you have to share this island equally you will keep this island divided for ever.

You are calling me racist you fucking invading shit? If it wasn't for your barbarian invasions my island would be a modern European country with no problems at all. It is your expansionism against our island which created all the problems. You had rights in Republic of Cyprus until you gave them up when you declared some pseudo state which is recognized by nobody else. As you can see now you have no rights in Republic of Cyprus, and the only thing you have is that you illegally keep under occupation 1/3rd of our island. All that is left is to apply legality and order and we are done with you.

[YFred]

[...]
For starters we should invest money in the education of the Kurdish children that live abroad (millions of them) and help them to create an even stronger national Kurdish identity. We will help the educated Kurds to teach the rest of their population about Kurdistan and about the right for freedom from the Turkish oppressors.
[...]

Just curious, do you plan to educate all of these Kurdish children in the Kurmanji or Sorani dialect of Kurdish, which are mutually incomprehensible, or in both of these depending on which dialect they speak? If you do the later, perhaps you will only stress how heterogenous the people who are classified together as Kurdish really are and defeat your own purpose.

What about speakers of languages such as Zaza and Gurani, considered by many chauvenistic Kurds to be dialects of Kurdish but considered to be languages in their own right by most of the people who speak these languages? Do you plan to teach their children Kurdish, too, and if so which dialect? It is interesting to note that when in Germany, which has a policy of giving immigrant children some instruction in their native languages in state schools, the children of Zaza speakers were forced to learn Kurmaji Kurdish their parents protested strongly and succeeded in having them taught Turkish instead.

I get the feeling you have only ever spoken to Kurdish refugees from Turkey living in the West, and that is why you have such a perverse understanding of the Kurdish question in Turkey. Many of these refugees are really economic migrants and exploit their Kurdish ethnicity to get assylum. For this reason, they have to make it appear that they are commited to the Kurdish national cause and that they suffered oppression back home. I have reason to believe that quite a few citizens of the Republic of Turkey who claim to be Kurds in order to get assylum are not even Kurds. In the UK, interpreting facilities are available for assylum seekers in both Turkish and Kurdish. It is odd that so many assylum seekers claiming to be Kurdish opt for Turkish interpreters. I have worked in pulic service interpreting in the UK, so I know from experience.

Actually, the main fault line in Anatolia that has created tension and lead to outbreaks of conflict over the past four centuries is neither the dispute between Turks and Kurds nor between Islamists and Secularists, but another. And you don't know what it is. What a shame.

Tim, what I said was about funding, not that I will go there and give them the lessons myself. If they have a few differences between them it will not matter, because a common aim and a common enemy will be more than enough to unite them.

If you know of any other divisions within Turkey let me know.

The funny thing is I told you about this far deeper division within Anatolian society the last time we crossed swords on the Kurdish issue, and I cannot be bothered repeating myself.

The situation in Germany is probably quite instructive. I do not know much about the German education system, and perhaps somebody can put me straight, but it seems that, for example, in the state of Nordrheinwestfalen the immigrant parents of only 15 children at one school need to demand that they be given additional tuition in their native language and the state is obliged to put on afternoon lessons for them. Yet it seems that Kurdish is taught at only a handful of schools in the state which has a large Kurdish population. The truth is that there is little demand for such classes among Kurdish emigrants there.

Even so, what do you teach? Yes, the Kurmanji dialect is written in the Roman script by Kurdish residents of the Republic of Turkey and nowadays publications appear in this version of Kurdish in Turkey. It would make sense to teach Kurds from Turkey to read and write in this script, but what use would it be to Kurds from Syria, Iraq and Iran who write in the Arab script, or from those parts of the former Soviet Union where Kurdish is written in the Cryllic alphabet? Then what about those who speak Sorani? It is not as simple as you think.

There is no issue which language they should be learning, the issue is are they allowed to learn their own language what ever it may be. The problem has been that people have been jailed for singing Kurdish songs. I know the law has changed but that was the language problem.

[Oracle]

It is lucky that this is a joke thread in which Get Real, Simon et. al are just taking the piss out of themselves or else many contributors on this thread could be charged with conspiracy.

You think that I'm joking ? All of those of you posting from the UK or other EU countries might like to know that there are dozens of British citizens currently serving jail sentences under 'anti-terror' legislation for expressing far milder suggestions about the possible use of violence.

This is not true in our case. If it was true, then we would be able to put in jail every Turk who supports the so called "trnc" and the illegal Turkish occupation, which is forced by means of brute force and terror, against the laws of the Republic of Cyprus.

We are in war with Turkey (just in a cease fire right now) and no EU country would take the side of Turkey in this war.

If you want you can call as terrorists the separatists Kurds and TCs, but in our case we are talking about the ongoing war between Cyprus and Turkey.

According to CopperLine's "logic" all those who do Military Service are in a "conspiracy" against the Turks .... ... or does he think they are just training to "negotiate"?

[RichardB]

I think that you are seriously lacking in legal knowledge Copperline if you believe that what I have said in this thread constitutes "a conspiracy".

I think that you are seriously lacking in legal knowledge Simon if you believe that what you have said in this thread cannot be prosecuted as "conspiracy" - this kind of thing - and much less - has been successfully been prosecuted as "conspiracy to ...." [fill in the gap] Conspiracy requires an astonishingly low threshold of evidence (scandalously low, imoh), but there you have it.

CopperLine, leave our brave volunteers alone. If they want to incriminate themselves, they are free to do it. It is their human right.

You can add Bill and Richard to that list for suggesting to kill me and throw me into the Girne sea tied to a concrete block.

I have one question for you, has Boomerang committed similar offences?

Oi Shithead I go to the mountains to return and find out I'm being invited to participate in a fuckin' war!!!

FYI I have never advocated the use of violence as the means to an end , negotiations are always preferable to gain an outcome.

However I will say that if there was no other solution (God forbid )
Then yes I would assist in the fight for a free Cyprus in what ever little way I could , for fucks sake man i'm 53 and have seen more than enough blood for one lifetime ( oh copperline if this constitutes a terrorist threat then I stand guilty)

Re your other comment that I have threatened to kill you I ask one thing of you PROVE THIS Now put up or get the fuc* out of here

I am waiting

A bit touchey today aren't we Dick old boy.

Too right I am, there was me coming home after a peaceful weekend in the village and I find out you're accusing me of being a bleedin' warmonger.

Now are you going to PROVE your accusations or what ?:evil:

[RichardB]

( oh copperline if this constitutes a terrorist threat then I stand guilty)

RichardB : No it doesn't.

Oh thats a shame I've never been a terrorist before it could have given me a really great Kudos .......
......Guess I must try harder