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[denizaksulu]

Start from scratch where?

I am regularly told that the nationalists will form the next administration in the north. Talat is well behind in the polls and Talat is perhaps the most pro-solution serious politician you have. If we can't agree with Talat, (with whom Christofias has a very good personal relationship with) who can we agree with? Anyway, it does not matter who is in charge in the north, the only view that really matters is Turkey's. They pull all the strings. And if the EU carrot was taken away, then so too would a negotiated settlement in their eyes.

I didn't expect anything other than the above from a TC; but it is the GCs that need to wake up.

I dont believe in Partition (TC or GC version). That would be a last resort. You right wings will only come to your senses when you lose te whole island to Turkey. You think guerilla warfare is a game where Turkey will just sit back and enjoy.

[insan]

Start from scratch where?

I am regularly told that the nationalists will form the next administration in the north. Talat is well behind in the polls and Talat is perhaps the most pro-solution serious politician you have. If we can't agree with Talat, (with whom Christofias has a very good personal relationship with) who can we agree with? Anyway, it does not matter who is in charge in the north, the only view that really matters is Turkey's. They pull all the strings. And if the EU carrot was taken away, then so too would a negotiated settlement in their eyes.

I didn't expect anything other than the above from a TC; but it is the GCs that need to wake up.

Simon, no matter who is in power in North or South. They both have a national cause based on their own thesis and approved by the representatives, elected by their people. Leaders have to represent the will and demands of their people. The only difference between the leaders is their behaviours. Leftist leaders speak smoothly and more responsibly as not to cause tensions and despair to people... Most right winger leaders r complete opposite of the left wingers. Even there r some extreme right wingers among them who behaves like u.

[Simon]

den,

whether GCs have nationalists or not is irrelevant. I'm not saying one is better than the other. Christofias is not a nationalist. What I'm saying is with Talat, we have the best chance of a negotiated settlement. And we still can't agree on any major issue. What happens when the EU carrot is taken away from Turkey, or if Turkey no longer wants to join the EU? Public opinion is already moving in this direction.

[Simon]

den,

How will we lose the whole of Cyprus to Turkey? It is you who believes, just like many other nationalists, that Turkey can do as it pleases without retribution. Will Turkey kill 600,000 people, or transport us all off the island? An EU member? This type of scaremongering about what big bad Turkey will do just holds no water with me.

If you believe that GCs will let Turkey occupy Cyprus indefinitely, then you will have a nasty surprise. I do not believe any type of warfare is a game. Neither do I think occupying another country is a game.

[Simon]

Insan, I am extreme right-wing because I talk about liberation?

What are you then, who supports illegal occupation and mass abuse of human rights. A Nazi?

[denizaksulu]

den,

whether GCs have nationalists or not is irrelevant. I'm not saying one is better than the other. Christofias is not a nationalist. What I'm saying is with Talat, we have the best chance of a negotiated settlement. And we still can't agree on any major issue. What happens when the EU carrot is taken away from Turkey, or if Turkey no longer wants to join the EU? Public opinion is already moving in this direction.

Perhaps steps should be taken to change public opinion in the right direction. More Pressure should be put on Turkey by the USA if the others' carrot has failed.

Talk of guerilla warfare is non-sensical.

[Simon]

Perhaps this, perhaps that. Perhaps it won't make a difference. Perhaps the US will put the same sort of pressure on Turkey as it has so far, i.e. letting Turkey get away with it. Perhaps Turkey will fall into the direction of Islam once the EU rejects it.

Perhaps GCs need a Plan B.

[Sotos]

The Turks will only be removed by force, it's nonsense to believe other wise.

I agree. Their aim is to take our lands. This was their aim when they invaded Cyprus the first time in 1571, this was their aim in 1974, and this continues to be their aim today.

[bill cobbett]

bill,

who will enforce these judgments even if we win? If Turkey does not listen to UN resolutions, it will not listen to EU judgments. Then what? Turkey is refused entry into the EU, and the rest I cover above.

I'm not saying that we should be fighting now, but I am looking into the future and asking, are we prepared?

Simon mate,

Leaving aside actual EU membership, which is looking less and less likely, it would be in Tr's interest if it had Favoured Nation status for its exports of goods and services to one of the world's largest markets. So Cy through its EU membership will still have some say in this and hence leverage.

No matter how much it would like think otherwise Tr can not ignore the benefits of some kind of association with the EU, short of membership.

[Simon]

I believe that Turkish nationalist pride will place Cyprus well above a Favoured Nation status that Turkey may or may not receive. I can't see this gaining us many concessions from Turkey.

In any event, we must still be prepared for the alternative, should the need arise.