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Reconciliation or Humiliation?

Postby utu » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:20 pm

At the request of a colleague (I won't mention his name here), I took the time to read Ian Smith's autobiography "Bitter Harvest". It made for interesting reading. Smith wrote about the Rhodesia settlement efforts in 1966 and 1968 on board Royal Navy warships, and on both occasions, near-agreement was scuttled over what was quaintly termed "the mechanics of implementation". Smith made it clear that agreements being scuttled on the precipice of agreement because of the way one side demanded it be implemented could only mean that the prime cause was that Rhodesia should be publically humiliated first.

So the question begs in regards to Cyprus: Are people here on this forum hoping that there can be reconciliation between the north and south of Cyprus, or do they feel that the north should be made to lay prostrate and be humiliated at the hands of the south first? Because if that sentiment is going to prevail, then how can there be any chance of mutal respect; let alone reconciliation?
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Re: Reconciliation or Humiliation?

Postby YFred » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:30 pm

utu wrote:At the request of a colleague (I won't mention his name here), I took the time to read Ian Smith's autobiography "Bitter Harvest". It made for interesting reading. Smith wrote about the Rhodesia settlement efforts in 1966 and 1968 on board Royal Navy warships, and on both occasions, near-agreement was scuttled over what was quaintly termed "the mechanics of implementation". Smith made it clear that agreements being scuttled on the precipice of agreement because of the way one side demanded it be implemented could only mean that the prime cause was that Rhodesia should be publically humiliated first.

So the question begs in regards to Cyprus: Are people here on this forum hoping that there can be reconciliation between the north and south of Cyprus, or do they feel that the north should be made to lay prostrate and be humiliated at the hands of the south first? Because if that sentiment is going to prevail, then how can there be any chance of mutal respect; let alone reconciliation?

That will surely lead to disaster. Papadobullos had that mentality, I hope Christofias has not.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:46 pm

So the question begs in regards to Cyprus: Are people here on this forum hoping that there can be reconciliation between the north and south of Cyprus, or do they feel that the north should be made to lay prostrate and be humiliated at the hands of the south first? Because if that sentiment is going to prevail, then how can there be any chance of mutal respect; let alone reconciliation?


First of all the reconciliation is about the people, not about the land. The land, north and south, east and west, belongs by over 80% to Greek Cypriots, and there is nothing to reconcile or change about this.

Regarding the people, it is the TCs who want to humiliate us, by wanting to take away our lands and have gains on our expense because they think they "won the war".

On the other hand, what we support is that everybody should return to his own home, everybody should have the 100% of his human rights, and every Cypriot citizen should be equal without any racist discrimination or segregation. So where did you see the "humiliation" in this?
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Postby YFred » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:55 pm

Piratis wrote:
So the question begs in regards to Cyprus: Are people here on this forum hoping that there can be reconciliation between the north and south of Cyprus, or do they feel that the north should be made to lay prostrate and be humiliated at the hands of the south first? Because if that sentiment is going to prevail, then how can there be any chance of mutal respect; let alone reconciliation?


First of all the reconciliation is about the people, not about the land. The land, north and south, east and west, belongs by over 80% to Greek Cypriots, and there is nothing to reconcile or change about this.

Regarding the people, it is the TCs who want to humiliate us, by wanting to take away our lands and have gains on our expense because they think they "won the war".

On the other hand, what we support is that everybody should return to his own home, everybody should have the 100% of his human rights, and every Cypriot citizen should be equal without any racist discrimination or segregation. So where did you see the "humiliation" in this?

Dream on Piratis, 10,000 years and you may get there.
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:11 pm

Reconciliation starts with Respect, respecting the rights of the other person and the rights of each and every person to such things as equal treatment in the electoral system, equal treatment before the law (international, EU as well as domestic law), respecting the other person's property rights etc.

Without these common and shared starting points and these are world-wide standards, there will be never be a resolution of our little problem and no reconciliation. Respect the other person's universal rights first and then and only then will the Cys have any chance of reconciliation.
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Postby YFred » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:22 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Reconciliation starts with Respect, respecting the rights of the other person and the rights of each and every person to such things as equal treatment in the electoral system, equal treatment before the law (international, EU as well as domestic law), respecting the other person's property rights etc.

Without these common and shared starting points and these are world-wide standards, there will be never be a resolution of our little problem and no reconciliation. Respect the other person's universal rights first and then and only then will the Cys have any chance of reconciliation.

Gumbare Bill, have a look at this, thats where you are.

http://www.psychologie.tu-dresden.de/i1 ... rcase.html

Please try an break away from it.
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:55 pm

Re poushtoouee Fredoouee, bou eese re? Mes sto glou-outhee tou tnct? Efka exo re.
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Postby RichardB » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:58 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Re poushtoouee Fredoouee, bou eese re? Mes sto glou-outhee tou tnct? Efka exo re.


Good evening young William

Just to let you know I'm in Nicosia practising drinkink Keo in readiness for our journey to a free Kyrenia :lol:
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Postby paliometoxo » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:05 pm

eisai leukwsia? kopiase na pame gia frappe
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Postby DT. » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:06 pm

paliometoxo wrote:eisai leukwsia? kopiase na pame gia frappe


he's on a strict beer diet.
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