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[boomerang]

your precious "o" levels have deserted you yet again blind freddy...you wanna come again?...and I don't mean on the side of your leg...

I never met anyone so mechanical...

I’m sure he is capable of rational reasoning… I’ll bet he’s currently wondering why there are so many flies hovering over just the one leg…

he needs re-bootng as he is experiencing CRC errors...

Greeks introduced sex to the world, and the Macedonians introduced it to women.

and it took you no time in reverting back to pre-evolution days blind freedy...

here is a hint....I ain't no greek...

[YFred]

your precious "o" levels have deserted you yet again blind freddy...you wanna come again?...and I don't mean on the side of your leg...

I never met anyone so mechanical...

I’m sure he is capable of rational reasoning… I’ll bet he’s currently wondering why there are so many flies hovering over just the one leg…

he needs re-bootng as he is experiencing CRC errors...

Greeks introduced sex to the world, and the Macedonians introduced it to women.

and it took you no time in reverting back to pre-evolution days blind freedy...

here is a hint....I ain't no greek...

Judging by your posts that puts you in the Serbian category Milat bumboy.

[boomerang]

your precious "o" levels have deserted you yet again blind freddy...you wanna come again?...and I don't mean on the side of your leg...

I never met anyone so mechanical...

I’m sure he is capable of rational reasoning… I’ll bet he’s currently wondering why there are so many flies hovering over just the one leg…

he needs re-bootng as he is experiencing CRC errors...

Greeks introduced sex to the world, and the Macedonians introduced it to women.

and it took you no time in reverting back to pre-evolution days blind freedy...

here is a hint....I ain't no greek...

Judging by your posts that puts you in the Serbian category Milat bumboy.

blind freddy anything worth taking seriously out of you is worth making fun of...

now back to evolution blind freddy...has it caught up with you or you still waiting...

[Nikitas]

"You think too much of the American soldiers. They may have the best equipment on earth, but they are crap soldiers."

I do not know about their soldiers. But when it comes to flying they have more practice and more continuous and gruelling tests than any other airforce, for a very simple reason- they can afford to train their pilots. It costs thousands of dollars per hour to keep a jet flying, much more to train with real ammo. Now add the costs of keeping several thousand pilots in peak training trim and you come up with some billions of dollars per year.

Modern war has little to do with bravery and plenty to do with hardware and how good you are at using it to max effectiveness.

And one last thought. Have you ever wondered if the American made planes used by others would have a chance in a fight with American made planes of the US Navy or Air Force? Do you think the Americans would ever sell us planes we can use against them? I do not. I am sure there is a contingency plan for such cases.

[Tim Drayton]

"You think too much of the American soldiers. They may have the best equipment on earth, but they are crap soldiers."

I do not know about their soldiers. But when it comes to flying they have more practice and more continuous and gruelling tests than any other airforce, for a very simple reason- they can afford to train their pilots. It costs thousands of dollars per hour to keep a jet flying, much more to train with real ammo. Now add the costs of keeping several thousand pilots in peak training trim and you come up with some billions of dollars per year.

Modern war has little to do with bravery and plenty to do with hardware and how good you are at using it to max effectiveness.

And one last thought. Have you ever wondered if the American made planes used by others would have a chance in a fight with American made planes of the US Navy or Air Force? Do you think the Americans would ever sell us planes we can use against them? I do not. I am sure there is a contingency plan for such cases.

Interesting thought. Thanks for that.

[Nikitas]

Tim,

I put the question to the sales people of several US plane manufacturers in the Defendory exhibition some years ago. The responses were interesting. Most were cryptic smiles, some tried to attribude it all to training and tactics, ie the US pilots would make all the difference.

The most honest answer was from a French salesman who said "obviously the capabilities of planes sold to foreign air forces cannot be allowed to overshadow the French air force".

I assume if the French are doing it so do others.

[Lit]

Have you ever wondered if the American made planes used by others would have a chance in a fight with American made planes of the US Navy or Air Force?

I agree with everything you said in this thread with the exception of what you are hinting above. If its the same plane same engine same everything then training would indeed be the final determinant in who rules the sky.

America has recently sold Greece aircraft that are far more advanced than the F-16s now flown by the US Navy or Air Force. Read it here:

(A very reputable news site)
http://www.star-telegram.com/business/s ... 69197.html

However, I think America would hesitate to sell new technology to its allies because it wants to remain one step ahead. For example, The US would never sell its 5th generation fighter F-22 Raptor that uses stealth technology or the latest most advanced US JDAM munitions. Technologies like these are reserved for only the US military and are not even sold to close allied countries like Israel.

[Lit]

Here is another recent article from the Star telegram that states:

http://www.star-telegram.com/nation/story/1277312.html

Japan and Israel have inquired about buying Lockheed’s F-22 to replace their aging F-15s, but the U.S. has said it will not allow Lockheed to develop an export version of the Raptor because of sensitive technology. So a stealth F-15 could be a suitable upgrade.

Here may be an example of where Nikitas is correct. I do believe F-22s may be sold at a future date to countries like Israel or Japan but it would seriously be downgraded and the US wouldnt hide the fact that its selling a watered down version. In fact, the US wants you to know that it has the latest and greatest.

But this has nothing to do with what Nikitas hinted with 4th generation fighter aircraft like the F16. I may be wrong but i do not believe the US is exporting watered down versions of F16s. In this scenario, i believe training would make all the difference in the world.

[CopperLine]

Y-Fred, if you don't mind me saying so, your logic is completely ridiculous regarding which island belongs to who. I will not even justify it with a response.

Just because Turkey had more numbers it does not mean it would have won the war. Look up some of history's battles, the largest force does certainly not always win. Greece has more modern equipment than Turkey, for example. Strategy is the all important thing. Turkey's performance when invading Cyprus showed the world the poor state of its armed forces. Anyway, all this is besides the point, has anyone heard similar to me regarding the US threat?

I must say, it is you who live on cloud 9 if you think Turkey would have sunk America's sixth fleet! That would have been a declaration of war on a superpower. You're crazy if you think Turkey's third world military could possibly take on America Some of you Turkish nationalists make me laugh

What ? Like those funny little Vietnamese, Iranian, Afghan, Somali and Iraqi nationalists ... My oh my, those hilarious third world militaries were really taught a lesson by the Americans and make no mistake about it. But as you said , in self-contradiction, "numbers doesn't mean it would have won the war".

[Simon]

CopperLine I am sorry to say this, but what you imply is garbage. If the US fought a conventional war with any of the countries you listed, there wouldn't be a contest. Where is Saddam today? America's problems come when it occupies countries for long periods of time or engages in wars of attrition, AND EVEN THEN it is ONLY because the US will not accept a large number of casualties. Its population does not have the heart for long wars and large casualties.

Moreover, I was not talking about the US occupying Turkey; in which case Turkey could cause losses to the US, by using guerilla warfare tactics etc, similar to the current Afghanistan or Iraq situation. I was referring to a conventional war type of situation which would occur if Turkey attempted to sink the sixth fleet. The US could successfully invade or at least cause huge damage (i.e. destruction of infrastructure etc) to any country in the world, especially a country like Turkey that gets most of its weapons from the US anyway. Even if by some miracle Turkey was successful in sinking the fleet, it would incur the response of a superpower, that possesses the world's finest technology and weapons systems. The US could bring Turkey to its knees purely from the air! It wouldn't even need any of its troops to step foot on Turkish soil to devastate the country!

I never contradicted myself about numbers at all. Where did I say that the US has the advantage over Turkey because of numbers? You write utter rubbish!