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[paliometoxo]

greece sent a few planes which where shto down by gcs im told

[YFred]

You Central Asian Mongolian Barbarian, what is "so called" is "Turkey".

I use a simple calculation, the island belongs to the nearest main land. Very simple really and most of the time its true except with the Greeks and the British.

So using this wise principle then Ireland belongs to GB (sorry tessintrnc)

Which in turn belongs to France!!

NZ probably belongs to Australia!!

which in turn would probably belong to somewhere in Asia (sorry havnt got an atlas to hand)

The mans an absolute Genius

Yep, and Falklands belong to Britain. There are always exceptions to every rule.

But Cyprus is not an Island belonging to anyone, it is an Independent Democratic Republic belonging to no body except the Cypriot people

I know who Cyprus belongs to, explain that to Piratis, Oracle and Yalusas of this world.
How many countries do you know that have islands less than a few miles a way and does not belong to them. There are some but not a lot.

Then why the silly comment fred?

I do not have to explain to anyone that this Island belongs to Cypriots

It is up to the Cypriots to decide their future not Greece or Turkey or anyone else The Cypriot electorate will decide the future of the Island they will elect the goverment to represent thier will.

As for your comment re Islands belonging to other nations I would actually suggest that most Islands do not belong to the nearest large country but i'll be buggered if i'm going to research this pretty silly point

Richard, the whole problem is that GCs wished to have Enosis and TCs did not. The GCs can but try to take the TCs with you and you have a problem. Its called self determination. TCs have it in equal measure.

[RichardB]

You Central Asian Mongolian Barbarian, what is "so called" is "Turkey".

I use a simple calculation, the island belongs to the nearest main land. Very simple really and most of the time its true except with the Greeks and the British.

So using this wise principle then Ireland belongs to GB (sorry tessintrnc)

Which in turn belongs to France!!

NZ probably belongs to Australia!!

which in turn would probably belong to somewhere in Asia (sorry havnt got an atlas to hand)

The mans an absolute Genius

Yep, and Falklands belong to Britain. There are always exceptions to every rule.

But Cyprus is not an Island belonging to anyone, it is an Independent Democratic Republic belonging to no body except the Cypriot people

I know who Cyprus belongs to, explain that to Piratis, Oracle and Yalusas of this world.
How many countries do you know that have islands less than a few miles a way and does not belong to them. There are some but not a lot.

Then why the silly comment fred?

I do not have to explain to anyone that this Island belongs to Cypriots

It is up to the Cypriots to decide their future not Greece or Turkey or anyone else The Cypriot electorate will decide the future of the Island they will elect the goverment to represent thier will.

As for your comment re Islands belonging to other nations I would actually suggest that most Islands do not belong to the nearest large country but i'll be buggered if i'm going to research this pretty silly point

Richard, the whole problem is that GCs wished to have Enosis and TCs did not. The GCs can but try to take the TCs with you and you have a problem. Its called self determination. TCs have it in equal measure.

But Fred we are talking now not then

Would the majority of GCs vote for enosis now - I think not and under a one man one vote system i doubt weather such a motion would ever be passed now especially if you include the TCs in the voting mechanism

Of course there will be factions on both sides who would want enosis or taksim this was and will always be so.

IMO the only way forward is for a united Cyprus Democracy to go with a one man one vote system - and i understand that the TC community will initially have reservations - but there is no fairer way to procede for the benefit of all cypriots

[Medman]

Have we not had these conversations before. According to GC's sources and people who were actually on the ground at the time. The Greek army didn't really put up much of a fight when Turkey landed. If anything it was the GC's who fought. The GC's did infact shoot down Greek commando planes trying to land at Nicosia thinking that it was the Turkish army. It was called Operation Niki or something. Turkey sunk its own ship of Paphos and Britain and the U.S. defended their own interests. They didn't sit on the fence as such, they creosoted it.

[Nikitas]

YFred said one of the funniest things ever on this forum:

"that the Turks were worried about the 6th Fleet intefering with the operations and they drew up plans ready to sink it and believe me they would have sunk it, the Pilots had the courage and the knowhow to dive into the ships fully loaded. 6th Fleet wouldn't have seen them "

As we know the glorious Turkish air force was so brave and eager it managed to sink a Turkish destroyer, the Kocatepe and seriously damaged two others. They obviously mistook them for the 6th fleet.

You ever been on a US Navy air craft carrier YFred? Visit one someday and you will be amazed at the power concentrated on that ship and its surrounding fleet. Nothing flies within a radius of 1000 miles without their say so.

From very reliable witnesses I know that there was a Greek ferry carrying about 1000 volunteers, mostly CYpriot students from Athens, which was intercepted south of Rhodos by the US navy and forced to turn back.

[YFred]

YFred said one of the funniest things ever on this forum:

"that the Turks were worried about the 6th Fleet intefering with the operations and they drew up plans ready to sink it and believe me they would have sunk it, the Pilots had the courage and the knowhow to dive into the ships fully loaded. 6th Fleet wouldn't have seen them "

As we know the glorious Turkish air force was so brave and eager it managed to sink a Turkish destroyer, the Kocatepe and seriously damaged two others. They obviously mistook them for the 6th fleet.

You ever been on a US Navy air craft carrier YFred? Visit one someday and you will be amazed at the power concentrated on that ship and its surrounding fleet. Nothing flies within a radius of 1000 miles without their say so.

From very reliable witnesses I know that there was a Greek ferry carrying about 1000 volunteers, mostly CYpriot students from Athens, which was intercepted south of Rhodos by the US navy and forced to turn back.

That comment came from a very high ranked ex army officer - that they would have tried I have no doubt but could the fleet spot the planes comeing at them at 50 meters high in 1974, I am not so sure considering they were not that far away from the coast line.

I am glad you find me funny.

[Nikitas]

Yes they could have seen the planes coming at them at 50 meters because the US fleet, even back then, had satellite links. In addition they had links to the radar apparatus of every US ship in the vicinity and the early warning system of the British on Troodos. THe miliary call this system "data linking". They would have known of the planes moves even before they left the runways and they could follow the radio traffic between the pilots as well as between them and the control tower.

American satellite pics from the late 60s in Vietnam show have enough resolution to see the rivets on trucks, they definitely would show planes.

[YFred]

Yes they could have seen the planes coming at them at 50 meters because the US fleet, even back then, had satellite links. In addition they had links to the radar apparatus of every US ship in the vicinity and the early warning system of the British on Troodos. THe miliary call this system "data linking". They would have known of the planes moves even before they left the runways and they could follow the radio traffic between the pilots as well as between them and the control tower.

American satellite pics from the late 60s in Vietnam show have enough resolution to see the rivets on trucks, they definitely would show planes.

Judging by the proximity of the coast line, would the Americans have enough time to react. You think too much of the American soldiers. They may have the best equipment on earth, but they are crap soldiers.

[Get Real!]

YFred said one of the funniest things ever on this forum:

"that the Turks were worried about the 6th Fleet intefering with the operations and they drew up plans ready to sink it and believe me they would have sunk it, the Pilots had the courage and the knowhow to dive into the ships fully loaded. 6th Fleet wouldn't have seen them "

As we know the glorious Turkish air force was so brave and eager it managed to sink a Turkish destroyer, the Kocatepe and seriously damaged two others. They obviously mistook them for the 6th fleet.

You ever been on a US Navy air craft carrier YFred? Visit one someday and you will be amazed at the power concentrated on that ship and its surrounding fleet. Nothing flies within a radius of 1000 miles without their say so.

From very reliable witnesses I know that there was a Greek ferry carrying about 1000 volunteers, mostly CYpriot students from Athens, which was intercepted south of Rhodos by the US navy and forced to turn back.

That comment came from a very high ranked ex army officer - that they would have tried I have no doubt but could the fleet spot the planes comeing at them at 50 meters high in 1974, I am not so sure considering they were not that far away from the coast line.

I am glad you find me funny.

Nikitas, is too much of a gentleman so allow me to inform that we actually find you STUPID not funny.

[YFred]

YFred said one of the funniest things ever on this forum:

"that the Turks were worried about the 6th Fleet intefering with the operations and they drew up plans ready to sink it and believe me they would have sunk it, the Pilots had the courage and the knowhow to dive into the ships fully loaded. 6th Fleet wouldn't have seen them "

As we know the glorious Turkish air force was so brave and eager it managed to sink a Turkish destroyer, the Kocatepe and seriously damaged two others. They obviously mistook them for the 6th fleet.

You ever been on a US Navy air craft carrier YFred? Visit one someday and you will be amazed at the power concentrated on that ship and its surrounding fleet. Nothing flies within a radius of 1000 miles without their say so.

From very reliable witnesses I know that there was a Greek ferry carrying about 1000 volunteers, mostly CYpriot students from Athens, which was intercepted south of Rhodos by the US navy and forced to turn back.

That comment came from a very high ranked ex army officer - that they would have tried I have no doubt but could the fleet spot the planes comeing at them at 50 meters high in 1974, I am not so sure considering they were not that far away from the coast line.

I am glad you find me funny.

Nikitas, is too much of a gentleman so allow me to inform that we actually find you STUPID not funny.

Thank you for clarifying the matter. I would never have guessed.