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[insan]

We have settled the score for 1963-74 on the 20 July 1974..

And there I was beginning to believe Turkey came as a guarantor power because the sovereignty of Cyprus was being compromised ... when all the while it was simply political interference!

Ya... oddly enough, EOKA-B and their backers were still in power after the intervention of Turkey. Neither the so-called president of "RoC" could stop them, nor the so-called leftist "resistance fighters". Had international community not been able to stop the 3rd phase of Turkish intervention; Turkey would have overpowered them though would have caused much more bloodshed. Then? Would united Hellenes accept political equality of TC community. NO of course! It was/is quite clear. The only way to solve the Cyprus problem is partition. It's a question of time that is directly and mainly related Russian and Chinese political stance towards Cyprus.

Says who?

... an insignificant, traitorous minority!

Turkey doesn't care what the TCs think ... why should we? whom you betrayed!

Since Turkey and TCs r in full cooperation, it's too stupid to claim that Turkey didn't care what TCs think. R u conscious dear or sniffed a lot of psychedelic plants?

When did we promise u that we would join u to fight for Hellenism? U r realy not conscious tonight. Weren't u aware of that u were fighting for ur own national cause absed on Hellenismo Elladas?

[Oracle]

[When did we promise u that we would join u to fight for Hellenism? U r realy not conscious tonight. Weren't u aware of that u were fighting for ur own national cause absed on Hellenismo Elladas?

We don't need you for Hellenism; and Turkey does not need you for Turko-megaloexpansionpanturonism!

... as I said, delusions of grandeur. The TCs are an insignificant minority.

[insan]

[When did we promise u that we would join u to fight for Hellenism? U r realy not conscious tonight. Weren't u aware of that u were fighting for ur own national cause absed on Hellenismo Elladas?

We don't need you for Hellenism; and Turkey does not need you for Turko-megaloexpansionpanturonism!

... as I said, delusions of grandeur. The TCs are an insignificant minority.

U well know that we never cared abt ur stupid judgements and considerations abt us and we will never care abt it until if ever u would accept TC community as a politically equal state partner. Delusions of grandeur is something u made believe during the last 50 years. A huge frustration is abt to knock ur doors...

[limasol]

Frankly I am very happy that most GC's carry this sort of nationalist Hellenic mentality of ....'Cyprus is ours, it is all ours and TC's are nothing but small insignificant minority'.....

With this mentality Talat and Soyer and even that Grecophelia Izzet Izcan will find it diffucult to re-join their GC brotherhood. Which suits me fine because I never want to live amongst them ever again. So for me PERMANENT TAKSIM is the solution. And their (Talat, Soyer, Izcan) GC brotherhood are helping me thru to achieve THE PERMANENT TAKSIM.

[limasol]

The mandate given to the IGC during the European Council of June 21-23, 2007 is clear and was agreed upon by all of the Member States. Its objective is to guarantee that the least populated Member States are sufficiently represented and to minimise differences in representation between States. In any case, the terms of this mandate must be respected. Briefly, they are:
-The total number of MEPs is limited to 750.
-A maximum of 96 MEPs per Member State.
-A minimum of 6 MEPs per Member State.
-Citizens' representation must be degressively proportional, i.e. the number of MEPs per inhabitant decreases as a Member State's population increases.

1/ 2007-2009: The current composition of the European Parliament, which does not respect the IGC mandate: there is a total of 785 MEPs, Malta has the fewest number of MEPs with 5 and Germany the greatest with 99. The current allotment does not respect the principle of degressive proportionality.


http://www.robert-schuman.eu/question_e ... ?num=qe-71

Malta and Germany are exceptions .....

... the fact Cyprus has SIX has NOTHING to do with the TCs .....

Oracle, Greek Cyriots did not apply to become EU members for themselves only. They applied on behalf of all Cyprus and all Cypriots and EU accepted that application. So now EU is under obligation to respect all of Cyprus and all of Cypriots and that includes TC's equal soverign rights which is in the Cyprus constitution. So the 6 MEP must be shared by the peoples of Cyprus just like Belgium. Do you follow?

[Piratis]

The mandate given to the IGC during the European Council of June 21-23, 2007 is clear and was agreed upon by all of the Member States. Its objective is to guarantee that the least populated Member States are sufficiently represented and to minimise differences in representation between States. In any case, the terms of this mandate must be respected. Briefly, they are:
-The total number of MEPs is limited to 750.
-A maximum of 96 MEPs per Member State.
-A minimum of 6 MEPs per Member State.
-Citizens' representation must be degressively proportional, i.e. the number of MEPs per inhabitant decreases as a Member State's population increases.

1/ 2007-2009: The current composition of the European Parliament, which does not respect the IGC mandate: there is a total of 785 MEPs, Malta has the fewest number of MEPs with 5 and Germany the greatest with 99. The current allotment does not respect the principle of degressive proportionality.


http://www.robert-schuman.eu/question_e ... ?num=qe-71

Malta and Germany are exceptions .....

... the fact Cyprus has SIX has NOTHING to do with the TCs .....

Oracle, Greek Cyriots did not apply to become EU members for themselves only. They applied on behalf of all Cyprus and all Cypriots and EU accepted that application. So now EU is under obligation to respect all of Cyprus and all of Cypriots and that includes TC's equal soverign rights which is in the Cyprus constitution. So the 6 MEP must be shared by the peoples of Cyprus just like Belgium. Do you follow?

You are imagining things. There is nothing in the constitution about "TC's equal sovereign rights" or about "peoples".

Nothing will be shared with you, get over it. You keep illegally the 36% of land, we legally got the 100% of recognition and everything else.

If you want your rights in RoC, then you should also respect ours. End your illegal occupation, give us back our land, respect the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and the human rights of Cypriots, and then you can have MEPs as well.

[YFred]

The mandate given to the IGC during the European Council of June 21-23, 2007 is clear and was agreed upon by all of the Member States. Its objective is to guarantee that the least populated Member States are sufficiently represented and to minimise differences in representation between States. In any case, the terms of this mandate must be respected. Briefly, they are:
-The total number of MEPs is limited to 750.
-A maximum of 96 MEPs per Member State.
-A minimum of 6 MEPs per Member State.
-Citizens' representation must be degressively proportional, i.e. the number of MEPs per inhabitant decreases as a Member State's population increases.

1/ 2007-2009: The current composition of the European Parliament, which does not respect the IGC mandate: there is a total of 785 MEPs, Malta has the fewest number of MEPs with 5 and Germany the greatest with 99. The current allotment does not respect the principle of degressive proportionality.


http://www.robert-schuman.eu/question_e ... ?num=qe-71

Malta and Germany are exceptions .....

... the fact Cyprus has SIX has NOTHING to do with the TCs .....

Oracle, Greek Cyriots did not apply to become EU members for themselves only. They applied on behalf of all Cyprus and all Cypriots and EU accepted that application. So now EU is under obligation to respect all of Cyprus and all of Cypriots and that includes TC's equal soverign rights which is in the Cyprus constitution. So the 6 MEP must be shared by the peoples of Cyprus just like Belgium. Do you follow?

You are imagining things. There is nothing in the constitution about "TC's equal sovereign rights" or about "peoples".

Nothing will be shared with you, get over it. You keep illegally the 36% of land, we legally got the 100% of recognition and everything else.

If you want your rights in RoC, then you should also respect ours. End your illegal occupation, give us back our land, respect the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and the human rights of Cypriots, and then you can have MEPs as well.

With your mentality TCs will be independent with 36% of the land.

[limasol]

The mandate given to the IGC during the European Council of June 21-23, 2007 is clear and was agreed upon by all of the Member States. Its objective is to guarantee that the least populated Member States are sufficiently represented and to minimise differences in representation between States. In any case, the terms of this mandate must be respected. Briefly, they are:
-The total number of MEPs is limited to 750.
-A maximum of 96 MEPs per Member State.
-A minimum of 6 MEPs per Member State.
-Citizens' representation must be degressively proportional, i.e. the number of MEPs per inhabitant decreases as a Member State's population increases.

1/ 2007-2009: The current composition of the European Parliament, which does not respect the IGC mandate: there is a total of 785 MEPs, Malta has the fewest number of MEPs with 5 and Germany the greatest with 99. The current allotment does not respect the principle of degressive proportionality.


http://www.robert-schuman.eu/question_e ... ?num=qe-71

Malta and Germany are exceptions .....

... the fact Cyprus has SIX has NOTHING to do with the TCs .....

There are two points to make; by article 192 of the treaty of the EC Treaty, before it was amended by the Treaty of Accession of 2003:[b] " in the event of amendments [to the paragraph allocating seats to countries before Cyprus and others joined] the number of representatives elected in each state must ensure appropriate representation of the peoples of the states brought together in the community."[/b] It was pursuant to this provision and because the whole population of Cyprus was taken into account, that Cyprus was allocated 6 seats. It is also of course the case that by Article 189 the European Parliament must consist of the representatives of the peoples of the states that the GC’s cannot represent the TC’s. It is a simply not the case. The GC’s do not represent the TC’s. They are not elected by them. They are not part of Turkish Cypriot political life.

[CopperLine]

Of course all this is arguable; that's why it is in court. But Limasol hits the nail on the head.

There are two points to make; by article 192 of the treaty of the EC Treaty, before it was amended by the Treaty of Accession of 2003: " in the event of amendments [to the paragraph allocating seats to countries before Cyprus and others joined] the number of representatives elected in each state must ensure appropriate representation of the peoples of the states brought together in the community." It was pursuant to this provision and because the whole population of Cyprus was taken into account, that Cyprus was allocated 6 seats. It is also of course the case that by Article 189 the European Parliament must consist of the representatives of the peoples of the states that the GC’s cannot represent the TC’s. It is a simply not the case. The GC’s do not represent the TC’s. They are not elected by them. They are not part of Turkish Cypriot political life.

If the RoC is admitted into the EU on a constitutional basis that it represents all Cypriots, TCs and GCs and others, then it can't turn round later and say 'actually TCs are not represented by us." Therefore there is a prima facie case for testing the question of representation in the European Parliament.

[kurupetos]

The mandate given to the IGC during the European Council of June 21-23, 2007 is clear and was agreed upon by all of the Member States. Its objective is to guarantee that the least populated Member States are sufficiently represented and to minimise differences in representation between States. In any case, the terms of this mandate must be respected. Briefly, they are:
-The total number of MEPs is limited to 750.
-A maximum of 96 MEPs per Member State.
-A minimum of 6 MEPs per Member State.
-Citizens' representation must be degressively proportional, i.e. the number of MEPs per inhabitant decreases as a Member State's population increases.

1/ 2007-2009: The current composition of the European Parliament, which does not respect the IGC mandate: there is a total of 785 MEPs, Malta has the fewest number of MEPs with 5 and Germany the greatest with 99. The current allotment does not respect the principle of degressive proportionality.


http://www.robert-schuman.eu/question_e ... ?num=qe-71

Malta and Germany are exceptions .....

... the fact Cyprus has SIX has NOTHING to do with the TCs .....

There are two points to make; by article 192 of the treaty of the EC Treaty, before it was amended by the Treaty of Accession of 2003:[b] " in the event of amendments [to the paragraph allocating seats to countries before Cyprus and others joined] the number of representatives elected in each state must ensure appropriate representation of the peoples of the states brought together in the community."[/b] It was pursuant to this provision and because the whole population of Cyprus was taken into account, that Cyprus was allocated 6 seats. It is also of course the case that by Article 189 the European Parliament must consist of the representatives of the peoples of the states that the GC’s cannot represent the TC’s. It is a simply not the case. The GC’s do not represent the TC’s. They are not elected by them. They are not part of Turkish Cypriot political life.

All you have to do is comply with UN resolutions, allow ALL refugees to return to their homes, compensate them and the RoC for the disaster you caused, restore democracy on the whole island and then u will not only have your participation in EU but also in the RoC governance.

It's absurd to suggest that a military pseudo-state can be represented in the EU. Do u get it?

(Unless ofcourse you want to keep putting your lips together and kiss our asses. )