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[bill cobbett]

Hi Copper. Just seen your query, no doubt speak later.

[DT.]

http://www.presidency.gov.cy/presidency/presidency.nsf/all/1003AEDD83EED9C7C225756F0023C6AD/$file/CY_Constitution.pdf?openelement

DT
Thanks for that (I couldn't get it to open but I subsequently found a link at http://www.presidency.gov.cy/presidency ... enDocument )

So, is it the case that the 1960 constitution is still the operative constitution ? This one, although not dated, seems to be the 1960 constitution.

It is, just like any constitution over time the parliament has voted in amendments to it. I'm not sure where these are though.

The main structure of it however is as it was first made. TC seats in parliament are still empty, as is the VP seat in parliament.

[Viewpoint]

So all we have to do is field a MEP candidate get all the TCs with "RoC" passports to vote for this person and hey presto we are in the EU. With 2 seperate electoral registers this candidate is a sure winner

Now, why do you think I'm laughing, VP.?

You spent days in trying to make the argument that the TC's in the north could not vote for Zelis in the Eurovision 'No Talent' Song Contest because the south was another country than the north therefore you did not take part to support a TC singer in that competition when you could have done in the same way you are now proposing with the above method for MEP's.!

What happened exactly in the last few weeks that now you think the north is no longer another country and that all TC's with RoC passports are citizens of the RoC and not because they got their passports because of convenience to travel freely without a visa.!

It's funny in watching you make about face on issues that suits you but not on others. I think this is where the phrase
"Double-faced" comes from.!

If it were 1 register you would be right but having to registers one for the GCs = 4MEPS and 1 for the TCs = 2MEPS then if only a those TCs that voted for Zelish voted we would be guaranteed our 2 MEPS, I am suprised you cannot see the difference. But hey you dont want to see us have participation in anything and left like poor Zelish to the GC public who would never allow a TC to participate in the Eurovision let alone the EU.

Yes but, VP, even if what you say is true, doesn't the 2 registers have to be done in the controlled part of the RoC and not 1 in the part that is not under it's control which you claim to be another country. So basically what you are saying is, that since your "country", the north is not in the EU (officially) but since there happens to be RoC citizens (TC's) who who are EU citizens, can hold their part of the register in a "foreign country" and not in the RoC, when they (TC's) do not even take part in the RoC government or have residence in the RoC and are not registered to vote in the RoC, but yet, they want to vote for a MEP for RoC from a "foreign country". How can this be.? As far as the EU is concerned, the north is under foreign occupation and the EU laws does not apply there, but you want to have members elected to the MEP for Cyprus, when you don't even recognise the RoC that you want to elect MEP's for.!

Can you as a British citizen living in Cyprus arrange to get all the Brits together there so that you can elect one or two MEP's for Britain in the "trnc".? Don't you need to be living in the UK and registered to vote, specially the person who is running to become a MEP.? The moment the TC's are full participants in the RoC, then your argument above might hold some water, considering the fact, that the RoC constitution does not make any references about election MEP's to the EU for obvious reasons, does it.? All the RoC has to do is say to the TC's, "you want to be part of the MEP's selection process, then live in the controlled part of RoC, register to vote here, and cast your vote like anyone else", because once again, the MEP selection process may not fall under the 1960 constitution. As CopperLine stated accurately, let the courts make the ruling on this one, but don't be disappointed if it's ruled against the TC's on the grounds I have stated above

Why are you asking me? you should direct these questions at the GCs who claim they represent all Cypriots and that the whole of the island is in the EU. They are the ones who offer their citizens the right to be elected, are TCs citizens if they hold a "RoC" id card? If you claim something they you have to accept the consequences that come with it and in this case the TCs right to be elected. A GC court will 99% of the time rule against TCs whether they are right or wrong the facts do not matter as they are like you biased from the outset thats why we always ask for neutrality.

[Viewpoint]

Re: Zeliş Şenol

This singer was on CyBC's Biz/Emeis programme a few weeks ago. She sung a number of songs, and she is clearly a talented singer. Then she performed her Eurovision number - and I cringed because it was awful. Is it not conceivable that she simply lost the contest on merit?

Have you heard the winnning song?, obvioulsly talent has nothing to do with it.

[Viewpoint]

http://www.presidency.gov.cy/presidency/presidency.nsf/all/1003AEDD83EED9C7C225756F0023C6AD/$file/CY_Constitution.pdf?openelement

DT
Thanks for that (I couldn't get it to open but I subsequently found a link at http://www.presidency.gov.cy/presidency ... enDocument )

So, is it the case that the 1960 constitution is still the operative constitution ? This one, although not dated, seems to be the 1960 constitution.

It is, just like any constitution over time the parliament has voted in amendments to it. I'm not sure where these are though.

The main structure of it however is as it was first made. TC seats in parliament are still empty, as is the VP seat in parliament.

Could you kindly explain this to Bill, he believes the 1960 constitution no longer exists.

[DT.]

Re: Zeliş Şenol

This singer was on CyBC's Biz/Emeis programme a few weeks ago. She sung a number of songs, and she is clearly a talented singer. Then she performed her Eurovision number - and I cringed because it was awful. Is it not conceivable that she simply lost the contest on merit?

Have you heard the winning song?, obvioulsly talent has nothing to do with it.

Sorry but you've got no taste in music. The winning song is something out of the top 10 right now. A folk music style of Sarah Mclachlan , Martina McBride and Adele.

Very contemporary. Unlike the Zelis song which is kitschy jazzy number tried a million times before.

[DT.]

http://www.presidency.gov.cy/presidency/presidency.nsf/all/1003AEDD83EED9C7C225756F0023C6AD/$file/CY_Constitution.pdf?openelement

DT
Thanks for that (I couldn't get it to open but I subsequently found a link at http://www.presidency.gov.cy/presidency ... enDocument )

So, is it the case that the 1960 constitution is still the operative constitution ? This one, although not dated, seems to be the 1960 constitution.

It is, just like any constitution over time the parliament has voted in amendments to it. I'm not sure where these are though.

The main structure of it however is as it was first made. TC seats in parliament are still empty, as is the VP seat in parliament.

Could you kindly explain this to Bill, he believes the 1960 constitution no longer exists.

Happily. The constitution exists with the necessary amendments voted in over the years by parliament.

[Viewpoint]

Re: Zeliş Şenol

This singer was on CyBC's Biz/Emeis programme a few weeks ago. She sung a number of songs, and she is clearly a talented singer. Then she performed her Eurovision number - and I cringed because it was awful. Is it not conceivable that she simply lost the contest on merit?

Have you heard the winning song?, obvioulsly talent has nothing to do with it.

Sorry but you've got no taste in music. The winning song is something out of the top 10 right now. A folk music style of Sarah Mclachlan , Martina McBride and Adele.

Very contemporary. Unlike the Zelis song which is kitschy jazzy number tried a million times before.

Thats why the GCs song in not even in running to go through the semi finals.

Zelish would never have won even if her song was the best for reasons we all know. The GC teenager cant even hold a note and is constantly out of tune..but hey shes GC so that booked her ticket definately not her talent...another very amaturish GC flop,,,how many years has it been since you guys made it to the finals??

[Get Real!]

Zelish would never have won even if her song was the best for reasons we all know.

Let's hope Zelish never returns because I don't think I can take another year of you telling us how brilliant she is and how we're prejudiced!

[DT.]

Zelish would never have won even if her song was the best for reasons we all know.

Let's hope Zelish never returns because I don't think I can take another year of you telling us how brilliant she is and how we're prejudiced!

Its the ole' she's TC and how DARE you not select her i front of other GC's.

The funny thing is if we had selected her he would be saying its all a ploy and Zelish can't hit a note.