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[bill cobbett]

The constituency for the EP elections is the whole island known as Republic of Cyprus which will elect 6 meps to represent the island sized constituency using a system of proportional representation to select from those parties or individuals who stand for election.

There is no facility in the other approx 740 EU constituencies for seperate ethnic-based electoral rolls so no special priveleges for our northern brothers. If you want to stand for election register with the Republic's electoral commision, if you want to vote do similar.

No special priveleges, it's one person one vote, start learning to live with this simple fact like wot the rest of us Europeans do.

No Bill ....not true

What you are saying is against the R o C Constitution

My dear Limasol,

The 1960 constitution was put through the shredder in July 74. Turkey was obliged to restore the Constitution but chose not to, so I can only suggest two things. Firstly please stop making reference to this torn up by Turley constitution as and when you feel it gives our northern brothers some advantage and secondly take whatever is left of this constitution and shove it up Ruff Donktosh's bum. He ignored it in establishing the pseudo-state, so we are perfectly entitled to do the same.

In any event, as has been said above, the EP elections are held via a PR system so the minority population is more than amply catered for.

What constitution do the GCs live by?

One that has been modified by Primary EU legislation out of all recognition to anything that went before.

bill cobbett,
I don't understand your earlier comment about Turkey having torn up the the 1960 constitution. OK the Turkish invasion/intervention splits the island in two, but are you saying that the result was to suspend or scrap the 1960 constitution ? If so why does the RoC web portal still say that the republic is under the 1960 constitution ?

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal. ... enDocument


(It is a bit strange that there doesn't appear to be a link - at least in English - to the constitution)

Copperline and others, Turkey had the power to restore the constitution and constitutional order in 74. It chose to use that power in other ways for other purposes, to meet aims of division.

Can anyone explain to me how a constitution that was designed to share power and positions in government, in the civil service and in the police etc. between two communities could in any way be said to still be the functioning constitution when the two comms have lived apart for 35 years?

(1963? - any chance of the constitution being salvaged were destroyed in 74 and in the years to date.)

[insan]

The constituency for the EP elections is the whole island known as Republic of Cyprus which will elect 6 meps to represent the island sized constituency using a system of proportional representation to select from those parties or individuals who stand for election.

There is no facility in the other approx 740 EU constituencies for seperate ethnic-based electoral rolls so no special priveleges for our northern brothers. If you want to stand for election register with the Republic's electoral commision, if you want to vote do similar.

No special priveleges, it's one person one vote, start learning to live with this simple fact like wot the rest of us Europeans do.

No Bill ....not true

What you are saying is against the R o C Constitution

My dear Limasol,

The 1960 constitution was put through the shredder in July 74. Turkey was obliged to restore the Constitution but chose not to, so I can only suggest two things. Firstly please stop making reference to this torn up by Turley constitution as and when you feel it gives our northern brothers some advantage and secondly take whatever is left of this constitution and shove it up Ruff Donktosh's bum. He ignored it in establishing the pseudo-state, so we are perfectly entitled to do the same.

In any event, as has been said above, the EP elections are held via a PR system so the minority population is more than amply catered for.

What constitution do the GCs live by?

One that has been modified by Primary EU legislation out of all recognition to anything that went before.

bill cobbett,
I don't understand your earlier comment about Turkey having torn up the the 1960 constitution. OK the Turkish invasion/intervention splits the island in two, but are you saying that the result was to suspend or scrap the 1960 constitution ? If so why does the RoC web portal still say that the republic is under the 1960 constitution ?

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal. ... enDocument


(It is a bit strange that there doesn't appear to be a link - at least in English - to the constitution)

Copperline and others, Turkey had the power to restore the constitution and constitutional order in 74. It chose to use that power in other ways for other purposes, to meet aims of division.

Can anyone explain to me how a constitution that was designed to share power and positions in government, in the civil service and in the police etc. between two communities could in any way be said to still be the functioning constitution when the two comms have lived apart for 35 years?

(1963? - any chance of the constitution being salvaged were destroyed in 74 and in the years to date.)

As if Hellenes were ready to accept restoration of constitutional order on political equality of 2 communities while EOKA-B was still active in a very hostile environment.

Bill C, can u please tell me step by step if then u were the prime minister of Turkey how would u act to restore constitutional order without violating anyone's rights? Keep in mind that TCs wouldn't accept minority status. Have a go Bill.

[Kikapu]

Does anybody know which is this agreement saying that 2 out of the 6 EU MPs representing Cyprus in the EU parliament, must be separately and exclusively elected by the Turkish Cypriots? As far as I know, there is no such provision in the treaty of Cyprus EU accession, in which the total number of MPs for Cyprus was agreed. Where have these two fellows found such a provision, and they even go to the EU Court of Justice for this? How absurd indeed!

Your constitution 70% 30% split.

The RoC constitution calls for a 70:30 participation in the RoC parliament, not in the EU parliament! Besides that, a 4:2 split is 66:33, and not 70:30.

1.8 is always rounded up or would you prefer we cut off the TC head and stick it on the GC just to make you happy Kifeas.

Was VP really offering in giving "Head" to make Kifeas happy.??

[bill cobbett]

The constituency for the EP elections is the whole island known as Republic of Cyprus which will elect 6 meps to represent the island sized constituency using a system of proportional representation to select from those parties or individuals who stand for election.

There is no facility in the other approx 740 EU constituencies for seperate ethnic-based electoral rolls so no special priveleges for our northern brothers. If you want to stand for election register with the Republic's electoral commision, if you want to vote do similar.

No special priveleges, it's one person one vote, start learning to live with this simple fact like wot the rest of us Europeans do.

No Bill ....not true

What you are saying is against the R o C Constitution

My dear Limasol,

The 1960 constitution was put through the shredder in July 74. Turkey was obliged to restore the Constitution but chose not to, so I can only suggest two things. Firstly please stop making reference to this torn up by Turley constitution as and when you feel it gives our northern brothers some advantage and secondly take whatever is left of this constitution and shove it up Ruff Donktosh's bum. He ignored it in establishing the pseudo-state, so we are perfectly entitled to do the same.

In any event, as has been said above, the EP elections are held via a PR system so the minority population is more than amply catered for.

What constitution do the GCs live by?

One that has been modified by Primary EU legislation out of all recognition to anything that went before.

bill cobbett,
I don't understand your earlier comment about Turkey having torn up the the 1960 constitution. OK the Turkish invasion/intervention splits the island in two, but are you saying that the result was to suspend or scrap the 1960 constitution ? If so why does the RoC web portal still say that the republic is under the 1960 constitution ?

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal. ... enDocument


(It is a bit strange that there doesn't appear to be a link - at least in English - to the constitution)

Copperline and others, Turkey had the power to restore the constitution and constitutional order in 74. It chose to use that power in other ways for other purposes, to meet aims of division.

Can anyone explain to me how a constitution that was designed to share power and positions in government, in the civil service and in the police etc. between two communities could in any way be said to still be the functioning constitution when the two comms have lived apart for 35 years?

(1963? - any chance of the constitution being salvaged were destroyed in 74 and in the years to date.)

As if Hellenes were ready to accept restoration of constitutional order on political equality of 2 communities while EOKA-B was still active in a very hostile environment.

Bill C, can u please tell me step by step if then u were the prime minister of Turkey how would u act to restore constitutional order without violating anyone's rights? Keep in mind that TCs wouldn't accept minority status. Have a go Bill.

Er... I am not Turkey mate. A Turkey who in 74 had only one legitimate roll... To Restore Constitutional Order.... To reinstate the state of affairs.

Did Turkey do that? Did it have any intenton of doing this and this alone or have our northern friends been used to further Tr interests in other areas and little else.

Go on Insan and others have a try at these questions and then you might, you just might understand why you're condemned to hang around corridors at the EP, like prostitutes hanging aroind street corners, whilst the rest of Europe moves on.

[insan]

The constituency for the EP elections is the whole island known as Republic of Cyprus which will elect 6 meps to represent the island sized constituency using a system of proportional representation to select from those parties or individuals who stand for election.

There is no facility in the other approx 740 EU constituencies for seperate ethnic-based electoral rolls so no special priveleges for our northern brothers. If you want to stand for election register with the Republic's electoral commision, if you want to vote do similar.

No special priveleges, it's one person one vote, start learning to live with this simple fact like wot the rest of us Europeans do.

No Bill ....not true

What you are saying is against the R o C Constitution

My dear Limasol,

The 1960 constitution was put through the shredder in July 74. Turkey was obliged to restore the Constitution but chose not to, so I can only suggest two things. Firstly please stop making reference to this torn up by Turley constitution as and when you feel it gives our northern brothers some advantage and secondly take whatever is left of this constitution and shove it up Ruff Donktosh's bum. He ignored it in establishing the pseudo-state, so we are perfectly entitled to do the same.

In any event, as has been said above, the EP elections are held via a PR system so the minority population is more than amply catered for.

What constitution do the GCs live by?

One that has been modified by Primary EU legislation out of all recognition to anything that went before.

bill cobbett,
I don't understand your earlier comment about Turkey having torn up the the 1960 constitution. OK the Turkish invasion/intervention splits the island in two, but are you saying that the result was to suspend or scrap the 1960 constitution ? If so why does the RoC web portal still say that the republic is under the 1960 constitution ?

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal. ... enDocument


(It is a bit strange that there doesn't appear to be a link - at least in English - to the constitution)

Copperline and others, Turkey had the power to restore the constitution and constitutional order in 74. It chose to use that power in other ways for other purposes, to meet aims of division.

Can anyone explain to me how a constitution that was designed to share power and positions in government, in the civil service and in the police etc. between two communities could in any way be said to still be the functioning constitution when the two comms have lived apart for 35 years?

(1963? - any chance of the constitution being salvaged were destroyed in 74 and in the years to date.)

As if Hellenes were ready to accept restoration of constitutional order on political equality of 2 communities while EOKA-B was still active in a very hostile environment.

Bill C, can u please tell me step by step if then u were the prime minister of Turkey how would u act to restore constitutional order without violating anyone's rights? Keep in mind that TCs wouldn't accept minority status. Have a go Bill.

Er... I am not Turkey mate. A Turkey who in 74 had only one legitimate roll... To Restore Constitutional Order.... To reinstate the state of affairs.

Did Turkey do that? Did it have any intenton of doing this and this alone or have our northern friends been used to further Tr interests in other areas and little else.

Go on Insan and others have a try at these questions and then you might, you just might understand why you're condemned to hang around corridors at the EP, like prostitutes hanging aroind street corners, whilst the rest of Europe moves on.

Now u asked me to copy and paste all the conversations between Mavros and Gunes to prove u how hard Turkey exerted not to divide Cyprus. After the events of 1974, during the talks in Geneva and Vienna; the main reason Turkey's insistence on bi-zonality for a future settlement between 2 communities was the bitter experiences of past, the hostile environment, security of TC community and STILL active EOKA-B.

I highly recommend u to read 400 pages of CIA report and secret talks between Greek Iqakovos and Kissinger to understand how hard then the US administration exerted to restore the lost Greek honour in defiance of Turk's rightfulness; just to keep Greece in NATO and silence the troublesome Greek Americans for the great interests of Western Alliance.

U don't need to be Turkey to put urself in place of Turkey and tell us what would u do under the then circumstances... If u don't want to do this just clearly and honestly say that u didn't want to put urself in place of Turkey and tell us what would u do...

[bill cobbett]

Read the Treaty of Guarantee again Insan and tell us what it says.

[YFred]

Read the Treaty of Guarantee again Insan and tell us what it says.

The fact that Turkey will protect as she already has, is all we need Charlie. What do you care, get your own protector.

[CopperLine]

The constituency for the EP elections is the whole island known as Republic of Cyprus which will elect 6 meps to represent the island sized constituency using a system of proportional representation to select from those parties or individuals who stand for election.

There is no facility in the other approx 740 EU constituencies for seperate ethnic-based electoral rolls so no special priveleges for our northern brothers. If you want to stand for election register with the Republic's electoral commision, if you want to vote do similar.

No special priveleges, it's one person one vote, start learning to live with this simple fact like wot the rest of us Europeans do.

No Bill ....not true

What you are saying is against the R o C Constitution

My dear Limasol,

The 1960 constitution was put through the shredder in July 74. Turkey was obliged to restore the Constitution but chose not to, so I can only suggest two things. Firstly please stop making reference to this torn up by Turley constitution as and when you feel it gives our northern brothers some advantage and secondly take whatever is left of this constitution and shove it up Ruff Donktosh's bum. He ignored it in establishing the pseudo-state, so we are perfectly entitled to do the same.

In any event, as has been said above, the EP elections are held via a PR system so the minority population is more than amply catered for.

What constitution do the GCs live by?

One that has been modified by Primary EU legislation out of all recognition to anything that went before.

bill cobbett,
I don't understand your earlier comment about Turkey having torn up the the 1960 constitution. OK the Turkish invasion/intervention splits the island in two, but are you saying that the result was to suspend or scrap the 1960 constitution ? If so why does the RoC web portal still say that the republic is under the 1960 constitution ?

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal. ... enDocument


(It is a bit strange that there doesn't appear to be a link - at least in English - to the constitution)

Copperline and others, Turkey had the power to restore the constitution and constitutional order in 74. It chose to use that power in other ways for other purposes, to meet aims of division.

Can anyone explain to me how a constitution that was designed to share power and positions in government, in the civil service and in the police etc. between two communities could in any way be said to still be the functioning constitution when the two comms have lived apart for 35 years?

(1963? - any chance of the constitution being salvaged were destroyed in 74 and in the years to date.)

bill cobbett,
Where would I find a copy of the current operative Republic of Cyprus constitution (in English please) ?

I'm not saying that Turkey's intervention didn't mess up the 1960 constitution; I'm just asking what is the current constitution of RoC. It surely has not been governed unconstitutionally since 1974 !!!

[DT.]

http://www.presidency.gov.cy/presidency ... penelement

[CopperLine]

http://www.presidency.gov.cy/presidency/presidency.nsf/all/1003AEDD83EED9C7C225756F0023C6AD/$file/CY_Constitution.pdf?openelement

DT
Thanks for that (I couldn't get it to open but I subsequently found a link at http://www.presidency.gov.cy/presidency ... enDocument )

So, is it the case that the 1960 constitution is still the operative constitution ? This one, although not dated, seems to be the 1960 constitution.