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[Kikapu]

So all we have to do is field a MEP candidate get all the TCs with "RoC" passports to vote for this person and hey presto we are in the EU. With 2 seperate electoral registers this candidate is a sure winner

Now, why do you think I'm laughing, VP.?

You spent days in trying to make the argument that the TC's in the north could not vote for Zelis in the Eurovision 'No Talent' Song Contest because the south was another country than the north therefore you did not take part to support a TC singer in that competition when you could have done in the same way you are now proposing with the above method for MEP's.!

What happened exactly in the last few weeks that now you think the north is no longer another country and that all TC's with RoC passports are citizens of the RoC and not because they got their passports because of convenience to travel freely without a visa.!

It's funny in watching you make about face on issues that suits you but not on others. I think this is where the phrase
"Double-faced" comes from.!

If it were 1 register you would be right but having to registers one for the GCs = 4MEPS and 1 for the TCs = 2MEPS then if only a those TCs that voted for Zelish voted we would be guaranteed our 2 MEPS, I am suprised you cannot see the difference. But hey you dont want to see us have participation in anything and left like poor Zelish to the GC public who would never allow a TC to participate in the Eurovision let alone the EU.

Yes but, VP, even if what you say is true, doesn't the 2 registers have to be done in the controlled part of the RoC and not 1 in the part that is not under it's control which you claim to be another country. So basically what you are saying is, that since your "country", the north is not in the EU (officially) but since there happens to be RoC citizens (TC's) who who are EU citizens, can hold their part of the register in a "foreign country" and not in the RoC, when they (TC's) do not even take part in the RoC government or have residence in the RoC and are not registered to vote in the RoC, but yet, they want to vote for a MEP for RoC from a "foreign country". How can this be.? As far as the EU is concerned, the north is under foreign occupation and the EU laws does not apply there, but you want to have members elected to the MEP for Cyprus, when you don't even recognise the RoC that you want to elect MEP's for.!

Can you as a British citizen living in Cyprus arrange to get all the Brits together there so that you can elect one or two MEP's for Britain in the "trnc".? Don't you need to be living in the UK and registered to vote, specially the person who is running to become a MEP.? The moment the TC's are full participants in the RoC, then your argument above might hold some water, considering the fact, that the RoC constitution does not make any references about election MEP's to the EU for obvious reasons, does it.? All the RoC has to do is say to the TC's, "you want to be part of the MEP's selection process, then live in the controlled part of RoC, register to vote here, and cast your vote like anyone else", because once again, the MEP selection process may not fall under the 1960 constitution. As CopperLine stated accurately, let the courts make the ruling on this one, but don't be disappointed if it's ruled against the TC's on the grounds I have stated above

[Tim Drayton]

Re: Zeliş Şenol

This singer was on CyBC's Biz/Emeis programme a few weeks ago. She sung a number of songs, and she is clearly a talented singer. Then she performed her Eurovision number - and I cringed because it was awful. Is it not conceivable that she simply lost the contest on merit?

[Tim Drayton]

So all we have to do is field a MEP candidate get all the TCs with "RoC" passports to vote for this person and hey presto we are in the EU. With 2 seperate electoral registers this candidate is a sure winner

Now, why do you think I'm laughing, VP.?

You spent days in trying to make the argument that the TC's in the north could not vote for Zelis in the Eurovision 'No Talent' Song Contest because the south was another country than the north therefore you did not take part to support a TC singer in that competition when you could have done in the same way you are now proposing with the above method for MEP's.!

What happened exactly in the last few weeks that now you think the north is no longer another country and that all TC's with RoC passports are citizens of the RoC and not because they got their passports because of convenience to travel freely without a visa.!

It's funny in watching you make about face on issues that suits you but not on others. I think this is where the phrase
"Double-faced" comes from.!

If it were 1 register you would be right but having to registers one for the GCs = 4MEPS and 1 for the TCs = 2MEPS then if only a those TCs that voted for Zelish voted we would be guaranteed our 2 MEPS, I am suprised you cannot see the difference. But hey you dont want to see us have participation in anything and left like poor Zelish to the GC public who would never allow a TC to participate in the Eurovision let alone the EU.

Yes but, VP, even if what you say is true, doesn't the 2 registers have to be done in the controlled part of the RoC and not 1 in the part that is not under it's control which you claim to be another country. So basically what you are saying is, that since your "country", the north is not in the EU (officially) but since there happens to be RoC citizens (TC's) who who are EU citizens, can hold their part of the register in a "foreign country" and not in the RoC, when they (TC's) do not even take part in the RoC government or have residence in the RoC and are not registered to vote in the RoC, but yet, they want to vote for a MEP for RoC from a "foreign country". How can this be.? As far as the EU is concerned, the north is under foreign occupation and the EU laws does not apply there, but you want to have members elected to the MEP for Cyprus, when you don't even recognise the RoC that you want to elect MEP's for.!

Can you as a British citizen living in Cyprus arrange to get all the Brits together there so that you can elect one or two MEP's for Britain in the "trnc".? Don't you need to be living in the UK and registered to vote, specially the person who is running to become a MEP.? The moment the TC's are full participants in the RoC, then your argument above might hold some water, considering the fact, that the RoC constitution does not make any references about election MEP's to the EU for obvious reasons, does it.? All the RoC has to do is say to the TC's, "you want to be part of the MEP's selection process, then live in the controlled part of RoC, register to vote here, and cast your vote like anyone else", because once again, the MEP selection process may not fall under the 1960 constitution. As CopperLine stated accurately, let the courts make the ruling on this one, but don't be disappointed if it's ruled against the TC's on the grounds I have stated above

Kikapu, all TCs who have RoC ID cards are entitled to register to vote in the upcoming EU elections regardless of which part of the island they live in. The authorities are even setting up polling boths at the crossing points to facilitate this process.

[bill cobbett]

The constituency for the EP elections is the whole island known as Republic of Cyprus which will elect 6 meps to represent the island sized constituency using a system of proportional representation to select from those parties or individuals who stand for election.

There is no facility in the other approx 740 EU constituencies for seperate ethnic-based electoral rolls so no special priveleges for our northern brothers. If you want to stand for election register with the Republic's electoral commision, if you want to vote do similar.

No special priveleges, it's one person one vote, start learning to live with this simple fact like wot the rest of us Europeans do.

No Bill ....not true

What you are saying is against the R o C Constitution

My dear Limasol,

The 1960 constitution was put through the shredder in July 74. Turkey was obliged to restore the Constitution but chose not to, so I can only suggest two things. Firstly please stop making reference to this torn up by Turley constitution as and when you feel it gives our northern brothers some advantage and secondly take whatever is left of this constitution and shove it up Ruff Donktosh's bum. He ignored it in establishing the pseudo-state, so we are perfectly entitled to do the same.

In any event, as has been said above, the EP elections are held via a PR system so the minority population is more than amply catered for.

[Viewpoint]

The constituency for the EP elections is the whole island known as Republic of Cyprus which will elect 6 meps to represent the island sized constituency using a system of proportional representation to select from those parties or individuals who stand for election.

There is no facility in the other approx 740 EU constituencies for seperate ethnic-based electoral rolls so no special priveleges for our northern brothers. If you want to stand for election register with the Republic's electoral commision, if you want to vote do similar.

No special priveleges, it's one person one vote, start learning to live with this simple fact like wot the rest of us Europeans do.

No Bill ....not true

What you are saying is against the R o C Constitution

My dear Limasol,

The 1960 constitution was put through the shredder in July 74. Turkey was obliged to restore the Constitution but chose not to, so I can only suggest two things. Firstly please stop making reference to this torn up by Turley constitution as and when you feel it gives our northern brothers some advantage and secondly take whatever is left of this constitution and shove it up Ruff Donktosh's bum. He ignored it in establishing the pseudo-state, so we are perfectly entitled to do the same.

In any event, as has been said above, the EP elections are held via a PR system so the minority population is more than amply catered for.

What constitution do the GCs live by?

[bill cobbett]

The constituency for the EP elections is the whole island known as Republic of Cyprus which will elect 6 meps to represent the island sized constituency using a system of proportional representation to select from those parties or individuals who stand for election.

There is no facility in the other approx 740 EU constituencies for seperate ethnic-based electoral rolls so no special priveleges for our northern brothers. If you want to stand for election register with the Republic's electoral commision, if you want to vote do similar.

No special priveleges, it's one person one vote, start learning to live with this simple fact like wot the rest of us Europeans do.

No Bill ....not true

What you are saying is against the R o C Constitution

My dear Limasol,

The 1960 constitution was put through the shredder in July 74. Turkey was obliged to restore the Constitution but chose not to, so I can only suggest two things. Firstly please stop making reference to this torn up by Turley constitution as and when you feel it gives our northern brothers some advantage and secondly take whatever is left of this constitution and shove it up Ruff Donktosh's bum. He ignored it in establishing the pseudo-state, so we are perfectly entitled to do the same.

In any event, as has been said above, the EP elections are held via a PR system so the minority population is more than amply catered for.

What constitution do the GCs live by?

One that has been modified by Primary EU legislation out of all recognition to anything that went before.

[Viewpoint]

The constituency for the EP elections is the whole island known as Republic of Cyprus which will elect 6 meps to represent the island sized constituency using a system of proportional representation to select from those parties or individuals who stand for election.

There is no facility in the other approx 740 EU constituencies for seperate ethnic-based electoral rolls so no special priveleges for our northern brothers. If you want to stand for election register with the Republic's electoral commision, if you want to vote do similar.

No special priveleges, it's one person one vote, start learning to live with this simple fact like wot the rest of us Europeans do.

No Bill ....not true

What you are saying is against the R o C Constitution

My dear Limasol,

The 1960 constitution was put through the shredder in July 74. Turkey was obliged to restore the Constitution but chose not to, so I can only suggest two things. Firstly please stop making reference to this torn up by Turley constitution as and when you feel it gives our northern brothers some advantage and secondly take whatever is left of this constitution and shove it up Ruff Donktosh's bum. He ignored it in establishing the pseudo-state, so we are perfectly entitled to do the same.

In any event, as has been said above, the EP elections are held via a PR system so the minority population is more than amply catered for.

What constitution do the GCs live by?

One that has been modified by Primary EU legislation out of all recognition to anything that went before.

Do they still have to reserve seats for TCs in their parliament? Is the still a vice presidenct vacancy for a TC??

[bill cobbett]

The constituency for the EP elections is the whole island known as Republic of Cyprus which will elect 6 meps to represent the island sized constituency using a system of proportional representation to select from those parties or individuals who stand for election.

There is no facility in the other approx 740 EU constituencies for seperate ethnic-based electoral rolls so no special priveleges for our northern brothers. If you want to stand for election register with the Republic's electoral commision, if you want to vote do similar.

No special priveleges, it's one person one vote, start learning to live with this simple fact like wot the rest of us Europeans do.

No Bill ....not true

What you are saying is against the R o C Constitution

My dear Limasol,

The 1960 constitution was put through the shredder in July 74. Turkey was obliged to restore the Constitution but chose not to, so I can only suggest two things. Firstly please stop making reference to this torn up by Turley constitution as and when you feel it gives our northern brothers some advantage and secondly take whatever is left of this constitution and shove it up Ruff Donktosh's bum. He ignored it in establishing the pseudo-state, so we are perfectly entitled to do the same.

In any event, as has been said above, the EP elections are held via a PR system so the minority population is more than amply catered for.

What constitution do the GCs live by?

One that has been modified by Primary EU legislation out of all recognition to anything that went before.

Do they still have to reserve seats for TCs in their parliament? Is the still a vice presidenct vacancy for a TC??

Are you still waiting in the corridors outside the EP?

[CopperLine]

The constituency for the EP elections is the whole island known as Republic of Cyprus which will elect 6 meps to represent the island sized constituency using a system of proportional representation to select from those parties or individuals who stand for election.

There is no facility in the other approx 740 EU constituencies for seperate ethnic-based electoral rolls so no special priveleges for our northern brothers. If you want to stand for election register with the Republic's electoral commision, if you want to vote do similar.

No special priveleges, it's one person one vote, start learning to live with this simple fact like wot the rest of us Europeans do.

No Bill ....not true

What you are saying is against the R o C Constitution

My dear Limasol,

The 1960 constitution was put through the shredder in July 74. Turkey was obliged to restore the Constitution but chose not to, so I can only suggest two things. Firstly please stop making reference to this torn up by Turley constitution as and when you feel it gives our northern brothers some advantage and secondly take whatever is left of this constitution and shove it up Ruff Donktosh's bum. He ignored it in establishing the pseudo-state, so we are perfectly entitled to do the same.

In any event, as has been said above, the EP elections are held via a PR system so the minority population is more than amply catered for.

What constitution do the GCs live by?

One that has been modified by Primary EU legislation out of all recognition to anything that went before.

bill cobbett,
I don't understand your earlier comment about Turkey having torn up the the 1960 constitution. OK the Turkish invasion/intervention splits the island in two, but are you saying that the result was to suspend or scrap the 1960 constitution ? If so why does the RoC web portal still say that the republic is under the 1960 constitution ?

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal. ... enDocument

(It is a bit strange that there doesn't appear to be a link - at least in English - to the constitution)

[utu]

Do they still have to reserve seats for TCs in their parliament? Is the still a vice presidenct vacancy for a TC??

I saw a British documentary on Cyprus not long ago, and it showed a session of the RoCy parliament. There were a lot of vacant seats which the narrator said were the reserved seats of the Turkish Cypriot MP's who were (and I quote) "excluded from the workings of parliament since the early 1960's, but which - according to the Cypriot Constitution - have to be still physically in place, and seen to be ready for use".