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[Oracle]

The mandate given to the IGC during the European Council of June 21-23, 2007 is clear and was agreed upon by all of the Member States. Its objective is to guarantee that the least populated Member States are sufficiently represented and to minimise differences in representation between States. In any case, the terms of this mandate must be respected. Briefly, they are:
-The total number of MEPs is limited to 750.
-A maximum of 96 MEPs per Member State.
-A minimum of 6 MEPs per Member State.
-Citizens' representation must be degressively proportional, i.e. the number of MEPs per inhabitant decreases as a Member State's population increases.

1/ 2007-2009: The current composition of the European Parliament, which does not respect the IGC mandate: there is a total of 785 MEPs, Malta has the fewest number of MEPs with 5 and Germany the greatest with 99. The current allotment does not respect the principle of degressive proportionality.


http://www.robert-schuman.eu/question_e ... ?num=qe-71

Malta and Germany are exceptions .....

... the fact Cyprus has SIX has NOTHING to do with the TCs .....

There are two points to make; by article 192 of the treaty of the EC Treaty, before it was amended by the Treaty of Accession of 2003:[b] " in the event of amendments [to the paragraph allocating seats to countries before Cyprus and others joined] the number of representatives elected in each state must ensure appropriate representation of the peoples of the states brought together in the community."[/b] It was pursuant to this provision and because the whole population of Cyprus was taken into account, that Cyprus was allocated 6 seats. It is also of course the case that by Article 189 the European Parliament must consist of the representatives of the peoples of the states that the GC’s cannot represent the TC’s. It is a simply not the case. The GC’s do not represent the TC’s. They are not elected by them. They are not part of Turkish Cypriot political life.

The RoC's administration is suspended over the occupied territory because it cannot exercise full and effective control. So if that's where the majority of TCs have chosen to place themselves, then they have voted themselves out of the whole EU process ... with their feet!

[limasol]

Of course all this is arguable; that's why it is in court. But Limasol hits the nail on the head.

There are two points to make; by article 192 of the treaty of the EC Treaty, before it was amended by the Treaty of Accession of 2003: " in the event of amendments [to the paragraph allocating seats to countries before Cyprus and others joined] the number of representatives elected in each state must ensure appropriate representation of the peoples of the states brought together in the community." It was pursuant to this provision and because the whole population of Cyprus was taken into account, that Cyprus was allocated 6 seats. It is also of course the case that by Article 189 the European Parliament must consist of the representatives of the peoples of the states that the GC’s cannot represent the TC’s. It is a simply not the case. The GC’s do not represent the TC’s. They are not elected by them. They are not part of Turkish Cypriot political life.

If the RoC is admitted into the EU on a constitutional basis that it represents all Cypriots, TCs and GCs and others, then it can't turn round later and say 'actually TCs are not represented by us." Therefore there is a prima facie case for testing the question of representation in the European Parliament.

Absolutely right

The GC's can not have it both ways. Either they represent the whole of Cyprus and all the Cypriots or they dont.

The ECJ will have to make a decision on that. And if the court decides that they do then it follows that two seperate electoral registers as per the Cyprus Constitution must be set up to elect the representatives of the Cypriot people in a free an democratic elections let the TC vote freely and democratically is what this is all about. And there can be no argument about two sepearate electoral registers because in Belguim Flemish, Valons,, Germans plus one in Brussels have 4 electoral registers.

[limasol]

The mandate given to the IGC during the European Council of June 21-23, 2007 is clear and was agreed upon by all of the Member States. Its objective is to guarantee that the least populated Member States are sufficiently represented and to minimise differences in representation between States. In any case, the terms of this mandate must be respected. Briefly, they are:
-The total number of MEPs is limited to 750.
-A maximum of 96 MEPs per Member State.
-A minimum of 6 MEPs per Member State.
-Citizens' representation must be degressively proportional, i.e. the number of MEPs per inhabitant decreases as a Member State's population increases.

1/ 2007-2009: The current composition of the European Parliament, which does not respect the IGC mandate: there is a total of 785 MEPs, Malta has the fewest number of MEPs with 5 and Germany the greatest with 99. The current allotment does not respect the principle of degressive proportionality.


http://www.robert-schuman.eu/question_e ... ?num=qe-71

Malta and Germany are exceptions .....

... the fact Cyprus has SIX has NOTHING to do with the TCs .....

There are two points to make; by article 192 of the treaty of the EC Treaty, before it was amended by the Treaty of Accession of 2003:[b] " in the event of amendments [to the paragraph allocating seats to countries before Cyprus and others joined] the number of representatives elected in each state must ensure appropriate representation of the peoples of the states brought together in the community."[/b] It was pursuant to this provision and because the whole population of Cyprus was taken into account, that Cyprus was allocated 6 seats. It is also of course the case that by Article 189 the European Parliament must consist of the representatives of the peoples of the states that the GC’s cannot represent the TC’s. It is a simply not the case. The GC’s do not represent the TC’s. They are not elected by them. They are not part of Turkish Cypriot political life.

The RoC's administration is suspended over the occupied territory because it cannot exercise full and effective control. So if that's where the majority of TCs have chosen to place themselves, then they have voted themselves out of the whole EU process ... with their feet!

The TC's did not choose to go to North as a matter of choice they were driven out of their homes improsened by the Greek National Guard. Paphos limassol and Larnaka and all the surranding villages were invaded by the Greek National Guard all able men were taken in as POW. Where is the choice in that?

[Viewpoint]

So all we have to do is field a MEP candidate get all the TCs with "RoC" passports to vote for this person and hey presto we are in the EU. With 2 seperate electoral registers this candidate is a sure winner

Now, why do you think I'm laughing, VP.?

You spent days in trying to make the argument that the TC's in the north could not vote for Zelis in the Eurovision 'No Talent' Song Contest because the south was another country than the north therefore you did not take part to support a TC singer in that competition when you could have done in the same way you are now proposing with the above method for MEP's.!

What happened exactly in the last few weeks that now you think the north is no longer another country and that all TC's with RoC passports are citizens of the RoC and not because they got their passports because of convenience to travel freely without a visa.!

It's funny in watching you make about face on issues that suits you but not on others. I think this is where the phrase
"Double-faced" comes from.!

If it were 1 register you would be right but having to registers one for the GCs = 4MEPS and 1 for the TCs = 2MEPS then if only a those TCs that voted for Zelish voted we would be guaranteed our 2 MEPS, I am suprised you cannot see the difference. But hey you dont want to see us have participation in anything and left like poor Zelish to the GC public who would never allow a TC to participate in the Eurovision let alone the EU.

[Sotos]

Of course all this is arguable; that's why it is in court. But Limasol hits the nail on the head.

There are two points to make; by article 192 of the treaty of the EC Treaty, before it was amended by the Treaty of Accession of 2003: " in the event of amendments [to the paragraph allocating seats to countries before Cyprus and others joined] the number of representatives elected in each state must ensure appropriate representation of the peoples of the states brought together in the community." It was pursuant to this provision and because the whole population of Cyprus was taken into account, that Cyprus was allocated 6 seats. It is also of course the case that by Article 189 the European Parliament must consist of the representatives of the peoples of the states that the GC’s cannot represent the TC’s. It is a simply not the case. The GC’s do not represent the TC’s. They are not elected by them. They are not part of Turkish Cypriot political life.

If the RoC is admitted into the EU on a constitutional basis that it represents all Cypriots, TCs and GCs and others, then it can't turn round later and say 'actually TCs are not represented by us." Therefore there is a prima facie case for testing the question of representation in the European Parliament.

Absolutely right

The GC's can not have it both ways. Either they represent the whole of Cyprus and all the Cypriots or they dont.

The ECJ will have to make a decision on that. And if the court decides that they do then it follows that two seperate electoral registers as per the Cyprus Constitution must be set up to elect the representatives of the Cypriot people in a free an democratic elections let the TC vote freely and democratically is what this is all about. And there can be no argument about two sepearate electoral registers because in Belguim Flemish, Valons,, Germans plus one in Brussels have 4 electoral registers.

sure sure, give us back our land which you hold against UN resolutions and against international law and then we will consider your request. Until then, fuck off, to put it mildly

[Viewpoint]

Of course all this is arguable; that's why it is in court. But Limasol hits the nail on the head.

There are two points to make; by article 192 of the treaty of the EC Treaty, before it was amended by the Treaty of Accession of 2003: " in the event of amendments [to the paragraph allocating seats to countries before Cyprus and others joined] the number of representatives elected in each state must ensure appropriate representation of the peoples of the states brought together in the community." It was pursuant to this provision and because the whole population of Cyprus was taken into account, that Cyprus was allocated 6 seats. It is also of course the case that by Article 189 the European Parliament must consist of the representatives of the peoples of the states that the GC’s cannot represent the TC’s. It is a simply not the case. The GC’s do not represent the TC’s. They are not elected by them. They are not part of Turkish Cypriot political life.

If the RoC is admitted into the EU on a constitutional basis that it represents all Cypriots, TCs and GCs and others, then it can't turn round later and say 'actually TCs are not represented by us." Therefore there is a prima facie case for testing the question of representation in the European Parliament.

Absolutely right

The GC's can not have it both ways. Either they represent the whole of Cyprus and all the Cypriots or they dont.

The ECJ will have to make a decision on that. And if the court decides that they do then it follows that two seperate electoral registers as per the Cyprus Constitution must be set up to elect the representatives of the Cypriot people in a free an democratic elections let the TC vote freely and democratically is what this is all about. And there can be no argument about two sepearate electoral registers because in Belguim Flemish, Valons,, Germans plus one in Brussels have 4 electoral registers.

sure sure, give us back our land which you hold against UN resolutions and against international law and then we will consider your request. Until then, fuck off, to put it mildly

Just as soon as you give us back our recognition you scum bag warmonger.

[YFred]

Of course all this is arguable; that's why it is in court. But Limasol hits the nail on the head.

There are two points to make; by article 192 of the treaty of the EC Treaty, before it was amended by the Treaty of Accession of 2003: " in the event of amendments [to the paragraph allocating seats to countries before Cyprus and others joined] the number of representatives elected in each state must ensure appropriate representation of the peoples of the states brought together in the community." It was pursuant to this provision and because the whole population of Cyprus was taken into account, that Cyprus was allocated 6 seats. It is also of course the case that by Article 189 the European Parliament must consist of the representatives of the peoples of the states that the GC’s cannot represent the TC’s. It is a simply not the case. The GC’s do not represent the TC’s. They are not elected by them. They are not part of Turkish Cypriot political life.

If the RoC is admitted into the EU on a constitutional basis that it represents all Cypriots, TCs and GCs and others, then it can't turn round later and say 'actually TCs are not represented by us." Therefore there is a prima facie case for testing the question of representation in the European Parliament.

Absolutely right

The GC's can not have it both ways. Either they represent the whole of Cyprus and all the Cypriots or they dont.

The ECJ will have to make a decision on that. And if the court decides that they do then it follows that two seperate electoral registers as per the Cyprus Constitution must be set up to elect the representatives of the Cypriot people in a free an democratic elections let the TC vote freely and democratically is what this is all about. And there can be no argument about two sepearate electoral registers because in Belguim Flemish, Valons,, Germans plus one in Brussels have 4 electoral registers.

sure sure, give us back our land which you hold against UN resolutions and against international law and then we will consider your request. Until then, fuck off, to put it mildly

Just as soon as you give us back our recognition you scum bag warmonger.

VP, either we get an agreement or we will begin to be recognised, slowly but surely. Yavas Yavas (Slowly slowly) as the old saying goes.

[Sotos]

Of course all this is arguable; that's why it is in court. But Limasol hits the nail on the head.

There are two points to make; by article 192 of the treaty of the EC Treaty, before it was amended by the Treaty of Accession of 2003: " in the event of amendments [to the paragraph allocating seats to countries before Cyprus and others joined] the number of representatives elected in each state must ensure appropriate representation of the peoples of the states brought together in the community." It was pursuant to this provision and because the whole population of Cyprus was taken into account, that Cyprus was allocated 6 seats. It is also of course the case that by Article 189 the European Parliament must consist of the representatives of the peoples of the states that the GC’s cannot represent the TC’s. It is a simply not the case. The GC’s do not represent the TC’s. They are not elected by them. They are not part of Turkish Cypriot political life.

If the RoC is admitted into the EU on a constitutional basis that it represents all Cypriots, TCs and GCs and others, then it can't turn round later and say 'actually TCs are not represented by us." Therefore there is a prima facie case for testing the question of representation in the European Parliament.

Absolutely right

The GC's can not have it both ways. Either they represent the whole of Cyprus and all the Cypriots or they dont.

The ECJ will have to make a decision on that. And if the court decides that they do then it follows that two seperate electoral registers as per the Cyprus Constitution must be set up to elect the representatives of the Cypriot people in a free an democratic elections let the TC vote freely and democratically is what this is all about. And there can be no argument about two sepearate electoral registers because in Belguim Flemish, Valons,, Germans plus one in Brussels have 4 electoral registers.

sure sure, give us back our land which you hold against UN resolutions and against international law and then we will consider your request. Until then, fuck off, to put it mildly

Just as soon as you give us back our recognition you scum bag warmonger.

What "recognition" you fool? When did the TC minority had any separate recognition?

[Sotos]

Of course all this is arguable; that's why it is in court. But Limasol hits the nail on the head.

There are two points to make; by article 192 of the treaty of the EC Treaty, before it was amended by the Treaty of Accession of 2003: " in the event of amendments [to the paragraph allocating seats to countries before Cyprus and others joined] the number of representatives elected in each state must ensure appropriate representation of the peoples of the states brought together in the community." It was pursuant to this provision and because the whole population of Cyprus was taken into account, that Cyprus was allocated 6 seats. It is also of course the case that by Article 189 the European Parliament must consist of the representatives of the peoples of the states that the GC’s cannot represent the TC’s. It is a simply not the case. The GC’s do not represent the TC’s. They are not elected by them. They are not part of Turkish Cypriot political life.

If the RoC is admitted into the EU on a constitutional basis that it represents all Cypriots, TCs and GCs and others, then it can't turn round later and say 'actually TCs are not represented by us." Therefore there is a prima facie case for testing the question of representation in the European Parliament.

Absolutely right

The GC's can not have it both ways. Either they represent the whole of Cyprus and all the Cypriots or they dont.

The ECJ will have to make a decision on that. And if the court decides that they do then it follows that two seperate electoral registers as per the Cyprus Constitution must be set up to elect the representatives of the Cypriot people in a free an democratic elections let the TC vote freely and democratically is what this is all about. And there can be no argument about two sepearate electoral registers because in Belguim Flemish, Valons,, Germans plus one in Brussels have 4 electoral registers.

sure sure, give us back our land which you hold against UN resolutions and against international law and then we will consider your request. Until then, fuck off, to put it mildly

Just as soon as you give us back our recognition you scum bag warmonger.

VP, either we get an agreement or we will begin to be recognised, slowly but surely. Yavas Yavas (Slowly slowly) as the old saying goes.

In 35 years you got recognition from one country, and that happened to be the invaders themselves. At this rate we will liberate Cyprus faster than you will get your "slowly slowly" recognition. Nobody else will recognize you as the owners of land that belongs to us. Get over it!

[YFred]

Of course all this is arguable; that's why it is in court. But Limasol hits the nail on the head.

There are two points to make; by article 192 of the treaty of the EC Treaty, before it was amended by the Treaty of Accession of 2003: " in the event of amendments [to the paragraph allocating seats to countries before Cyprus and others joined] the number of representatives elected in each state must ensure appropriate representation of the peoples of the states brought together in the community." It was pursuant to this provision and because the whole population of Cyprus was taken into account, that Cyprus was allocated 6 seats. It is also of course the case that by Article 189 the European Parliament must consist of the representatives of the peoples of the states that the GC’s cannot represent the TC’s. It is a simply not the case. The GC’s do not represent the TC’s. They are not elected by them. They are not part of Turkish Cypriot political life.

If the RoC is admitted into the EU on a constitutional basis that it represents all Cypriots, TCs and GCs and others, then it can't turn round later and say 'actually TCs are not represented by us." Therefore there is a prima facie case for testing the question of representation in the European Parliament.

Absolutely right

The GC's can not have it both ways. Either they represent the whole of Cyprus and all the Cypriots or they dont.

The ECJ will have to make a decision on that. And if the court decides that they do then it follows that two seperate electoral registers as per the Cyprus Constitution must be set up to elect the representatives of the Cypriot people in a free an democratic elections let the TC vote freely and democratically is what this is all about. And there can be no argument about two sepearate electoral registers because in Belguim Flemish, Valons,, Germans plus one in Brussels have 4 electoral registers.

sure sure, give us back our land which you hold against UN resolutions and against international law and then we will consider your request. Until then, fuck off, to put it mildly

Just as soon as you give us back our recognition you scum bag warmonger.

VP, either we get an agreement or we will begin to be recognised, slowly but surely. Yavas Yavas (Slowly slowly) as the old saying goes.

In 35 years you got recognition from one country, and that happened to be the invaders themselves. At this rate we will liberate Cyprus faster than you will get your "slowly slowly" recognition. Nobody else will recognize you as the owners of land that belongs to us. Get over it!

Sotos, after the end of this year, we will count how many months it takes to get recognised by any country other than Turkey. We can run a book on it if you like, not that I am a gambling man.