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by **Get Real!** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:26 pm

JimB wrote:Pope condemns millions to a life of poverty and disease.

Looks more like JimB condemning the forum with his distorted view... :lol:

by **Simon** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:31 pm

What a tenuous response Oracle. Not even worth a reply, other than to say that if your husband (if you have ever had one) lasted more than a week he would be exceeding his life expectancy. :roll:

There seems to be a thing about "preaching" with the small minded people on this forum. I am not "preaching" but giving an opinion. So do not "preach" to me that I should not be "preaching" when you are "preaching" at the same time. :roll:

Have I ever said that condoms should not be used? In fact I have said the opposite. So please do not patronise me by manipulating my argument. Facts are not scaremongering; it is called educating.

by **Get Real!** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:36 pm

Yeah, shut up Oracle! :lol:

by **Oracle** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:46 pm

CBBB wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Simon wrote:
Oracle, it is noble for people not to sleep around when they are aware of serious AIDS problems, is it not? It is noble because you are showing self-restraint and going against your natural urges for the greater good, is it not? Condoms can give a false sense of security, and are not always effective in preventing the transmission of the virus...

The noble savage, eh?

Too sanctimonious to preach to the poor of Africa about behaving in a "noble" way ...

How many other diseases can be caught from any of lives undertakings? Eating food, drinking water .... all carry hazards, especially in Africa.

And yes condoms are not 100% effective either at preventing pregnancy or transmission of disease ... but they are effective enough that put into perspective, this should not be used in a scaremongering way, patronisingly telling people they have to be moral and abstain until marriage. After all marriage is documented at reducing the life expectancy of women by some 10%

If marriage reduces the life expectancy of women by 10%, it must be at least 30% for men (I won't make any comments about YOUR poor husbands life expectancy)!

Actually it's the other way around for men ... bachelors have a shorter life expectancy than married men. Spinsters live the longest .....

by **Oracle** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:49 pm

Simon wrote:What a tenuous response Oracle. Not even worth a reply, other than to say that if your husband (if you have ever had one) lasted more than a week he would be exceeding his life expectancy.

There seems to be a thing about "preaching" with the small minded people on this forum. I am not "preaching" but giving an opinion. So do not "preach" to me that I should not be "preaching" when you are "preaching" at the same time.

Have I ever said that condoms should not be used? In fact I have said the opposite. So please do not patronise me by manipulating my argument. Facts are not scaremongering; it is called educating.

You're turning personal, because I make sense

BTW ... It was the pope I was referring to as preaching, not you! :lol:

I just think he is on dangerous territory to preach abstinence, instead of helping out practically.

by **Oracle** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:50 pm

Get Real! wrote:Yeah, shut up Oracle!

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by **Simon** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:54 pm

I turned personal because I thought you were accusing me of sanctimonious preaching. If you were referring to the Pope, I apologise. Although to be fair, preaching is kind of his job. :lol:

You have agreed that condoms have their problems. Therefore, as I have said, in an ideal world the Pope would be right, but we do not live in an ideal world.

by **Oracle** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:14 pm

Simon wrote:I turned personal because I thought you were accusing me of sanctimonious preaching. If you were referring to the Pope, I apologise. Although to be fair, preaching is kind of his job.

You have agreed that condoms have their problems. Therefore, as I have said, in an ideal world the Pope would be right, but we do not live in an ideal world.

Well the RC church should take responsibility for much of the blame of why we do not live in a (slightly more) ideal world .... and not go around moralising!

by **CBBB** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:26 pm

Oracle wrote:
Simon wrote:I turned personal because I thought you were accusing me of sanctimonious preaching. If you were referring to the Pope, I apologise. Although to be fair, preaching is kind of his job.

You have agreed that condoms have their problems. Therefore, as I have said, in an ideal world the Pope would be right, but we do not live in an ideal world.

Well the RC church should take responsibility for much of the blame of why we do not live in a (slightly more) ideal world .... and not go around moralising!

Why blame just the RC Church, the others are any better?

by **Simon** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:31 pm

If what the RC Church preached today was carried out by everybody, I believe that the world we live in today would be a far better place. That does not only go for the RC Church but most major religions, as love, peace, respect and restraint is at the heart of most faiths. Do not confuse what I am saying here. Many people have committed evil acts in the name of religion, however, religion is just their excuse. The faith itself normally preaches the opposite. One of the problems is that very often, Church leaders themselves are the biggest hypocrites.

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