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[insan]

TRNC President Rauf Denktaþ' Letter to Maria and Antonis Demetriades dated September 12, 2003.

Dear Maria and Antonis Demetriades,
Thank you for your e-mail of 11 September, 2003

I am not preventing Turkish Cypriots from entering the EU. I am telling them that the application for EU membership was made by the Greek Cypriot leaders pretending that they represent the whole island including Turkish Cypriots; that the application was politically motivated as stated by Mr. Clerides: “When we enter the EU Turkish guarantee will become non-effective and all Greek Cypriot refugees will be able to return North and thus Hellenism will be victorious”. In other words what the Greek Cypriot administration failed to achieve through the application of the Akritas Plan and embargoes coupled with lies they tell in diplomatic circles that the problem began in 1974, they now try to obtain the same result through EU membership.

The application for EU membership cannot be treated by us as a legal and valid application not only because it was not made by a constitutional government serving the whole population but also because the 1960 Treaties prohibit the entry of Cyprus into such a union unless both motherlands are members and both co-founder partners of the 1960 Republic (Turkish and Greek Cypriots) agree to it. That is why we paid priority to the settlement of the Cyprus problem so that a legitimate government composing of both sides ensue! This has not been possible so far due to Greek Cypriot intransigence.

I talked with Mr. Clerides from 1968 to 1973. We almost agreed on putting geography (as local autonomy) under the 1960 constitutional set up. Makarios rejected it because I did not accept minority status and I insisted on the continuation of the guarantee system. Clerides and Greece urged Makarios to agree but he refused. After the 1974 coup and arrival of Turkey I helped Clerides to settle all the humanitarian problems and he helped me likewise. In 1975 we agreed and exchange of population took place. We were ready to start talking a settlement on a bi-zonal basis when Makarios (who was in Athens) declared that he would never accept a settlement based on bi-zonality. Then, Mr. Clerides resigned, Makarios came back to Cyprus and refused to talk to us still expecting that “the world” would pull Turkey out and he would take over the whole island and hand it to Greece. Finally in 1977 I forced him through diplomatic channels and UN Secretary-General to meet me. We met and agreed on a bi-zonal, federal settlement in which the three freedoms would be restricted in order to give Turkish Cypriot side the protection and security it needed. Immediately Kyprianou and Lyssarides attacked Makarios for having agreed to such a settlement. Makarios died in a few months time and Mr. Kyprianou took over. He refused to see me until 1979 when again I forced him to the table through the UN Secretary-General. We agreed on a similar formula: bi-zonal federation as agreed with Makarios! But Mr. Kyprianou had no intention of establishing a new partnership with Turkish Cypriots. On and off the talks continued for eleven years. His Minister of Foreign Affairs Mr. Rolandis resigned, declaring that Kyprianou was using him to deceive the world that he was for a federal settlement when he was not! And indeed when Kyprianou lost the elections he became bold enough to declare that he never wanted federation. “I served the national cause” he said “by honoring the will and testament of the great leader Makarios!” According to this will and testament Makarios had said that by what he had achieved in Cyprus (namely throwing all Turkish Cypriots from the partnership state and from all of its organs) he had brought Cyprus to the nearest point to Enosis. “There is no going back on this except for Enosis” he had said.

And it is here that we have got stuck, because Greek Cypriot leaders believe that Turkish Cypriots have no alternative but to accept this illegal Greek Cypriot fait accompli and that they will eventually succeed in getting back the whole island under this title.

Mr. Vasiliou won the elections against Clerides. We later saw in the Greek Cypriot press that Vasiliou, in order to get the support of other parties including that of Kyprianou, had given them written assurances that he would follow the same national line. Five more years were lost when Mr. Clerides won the elections on the ticket that the set of ideas (on which an agreement was likely) was tantamount to partition. That was 1992/93. For two years Clerides refused to see me saying that there was no common ground between us, thus rejecting the UN formula as set out in the set of ideas.

After two years I managed, again through the UN Secretary-General, to see Mr. Clerides in the residence of Mr. Feissel, in 1994. What he told me indicated that he was not in need of a settlement and would never be as long as Greek Cypriot side was recognized as the government of Cyprus! Now the hope of entering the EU was growing. So why should he bother talking to Turkish Cypriots?

He told me that he would be talking to me if I agreed to support the application of the government of Cyprus for EU membership well knowing that I could not do so prior to a satisfactory agreement and prior to entry of Turkey into the EU as per 1960 Agreements. Then we had the New York and Glion talks all under the shadow of EU and statements to the effect that “Cyprus” would be a member whether there was an agreement or not.

It is in this atmosphere that I wanted to have direct talks with Mr. Clerides. He wanted UN to be present because unknowingly, UN and its resolutions support the dictum of Makarios that the title of Cyprus government represents Greek Cypriots as the sole people of Cyprus and that any agreement has to be under this cloak! The endeavours of De Soto failed because what he produced was not an answer to the ills of Cyprus and did not satisfy either side. Greek Cypriot double-talk about the Annan Plan should not distort this reality. Public polls showed that 71% of Greek Cypriots do not support EU membership, but accept it for the sake of the national cause! And I am sure you will agree that the whole trouble arose from this national cause!

If you have not read the Akritas Plan please read it and then, look at the condition of Turkish Cypriot villages in the South.

How would you feel if we had destroyed the constitutional order (as Makarios did in 1963) and declared to be the legitimate government of Cyprus and forced you to live in “enclaves” surrounded by armed people for eleven years?

The arrival of Turkey saved us from utter destruction and is a defence measure against the illegal occupation of the joint seat of 1960 constitutional government. When Greek Cypriots who occupy that joint seat abandon the claim that they are the legitimate government of all, then the way to a balanced, fair and permanent settlement will be opened.

Yours sincerely,
Rauf R. DENKTAÞ
President

[bill cobbett]

This illiterate master of all Partitionists is a phrieking plonker who can't even spell his own name! Look carefully master plonker -

R-O-U-G-H D-O-N-K-T-O-S-H

Simple, init?

[insan]

This illiterate master of all Partitionists is a phrieking plonker who can't even spell his own name! Look carefully master plonker -

R-O-U-G-H D-O-N-K-T-O-S-H

Simple, init?

What alternatives ur leaderships left for him to choose? Only and only a minority status?

[EPSILON]

TRNC President Rauf Denktaþ' Letter to Maria and Antonis Demetriades dated September 12, 2003.

Dear Maria and Antonis Demetriades,
Thank you for your e-mail of 11 September, 2003

I am not preventing Turkish Cypriots from entering the EU. I am telling them that the application for EU membership was made by the Greek Cypriot leaders pretending that they represent the whole island including Turkish Cypriots; that the application was politically motivated as stated by Mr. Clerides: “When we enter the EU Turkish guarantee will become non-effective and all Greek Cypriot refugees will be able to return North and thus Hellenism will be victorious”. In other words what the Greek Cypriot administration failed to achieve through the application of the Akritas Plan and embargoes coupled with lies they tell in diplomatic circles that the problem began in 1974, they now try to obtain the same result through EU membership.

The application for EU membership cannot be treated by us as a legal and valid application not only because it was not made by a constitutional government serving the whole population but also because the 1960 Treaties prohibit the entry of Cyprus into such a union unless both motherlands are members and both co-founder partners of the 1960 Republic (Turkish and Greek Cypriots) agree to it. That is why we paid priority to the settlement of the Cyprus problem so that a legitimate government composing of both sides ensue! This has not been possible so far due to Greek Cypriot intransigence.

I talked with Mr. Clerides from 1968 to 1973. We almost agreed on putting geography (as local autonomy) under the 1960 constitutional set up. Makarios rejected it because I did not accept minority status and I insisted on the continuation of the guarantee system. Clerides and Greece urged Makarios to agree but he refused. After the 1974 coup and arrival of Turkey I helped Clerides to settle all the humanitarian problems and he helped me likewise. In 1975 we agreed and exchange of population took place. We were ready to start talking a settlement on a bi-zonal basis when Makarios (who was in Athens) declared that he would never accept a settlement based on bi-zonality. Then, Mr. Clerides resigned, Makarios came back to Cyprus and refused to talk to us still expecting that “the world” would pull Turkey out and he would take over the whole island and hand it to Greece. Finally in 1977 I forced him through diplomatic channels and UN Secretary-General to meet me. We met and agreed on a bi-zonal, federal settlement in which the three freedoms would be restricted in order to give Turkish Cypriot side the protection and security it needed. Immediately Kyprianou and Lyssarides attacked Makarios for having agreed to such a settlement. Makarios died in a few months time and Mr. Kyprianou took over. He refused to see me until 1979 when again I forced him to the table through the UN Secretary-General. We agreed on a similar formula: bi-zonal federation as agreed with Makarios! But Mr. Kyprianou had no intention of establishing a new partnership with Turkish Cypriots. On and off the talks continued for eleven years. His Minister of Foreign Affairs Mr. Rolandis resigned, declaring that Kyprianou was using him to deceive the world that he was for a federal settlement when he was not! And indeed when Kyprianou lost the elections he became bold enough to declare that he never wanted federation. “I served the national cause” he said “by honoring the will and testament of the great leader Makarios!” According to this will and testament Makarios had said that by what he had achieved in Cyprus (namely throwing all Turkish Cypriots from the partnership state and from all of its organs) he had brought Cyprus to the nearest point to Enosis. “There is no going back on this except for Enosis” he had said.

And it is here that we have got stuck, because Greek Cypriot leaders believe that Turkish Cypriots have no alternative but to accept this illegal Greek Cypriot fait accompli and that they will eventually succeed in getting back the whole island under this title.

Mr. Vasiliou won the elections against Clerides. We later saw in the Greek Cypriot press that Vasiliou, in order to get the support of other parties including that of Kyprianou, had given them written assurances that he would follow the same national line. Five more years were lost when Mr. Clerides won the elections on the ticket that the set of ideas (on which an agreement was likely) was tantamount to partition. That was 1992/93. For two years Clerides refused to see me saying that there was no common ground between us, thus rejecting the UN formula as set out in the set of ideas.

After two years I managed, again through the UN Secretary-General, to see Mr. Clerides in the residence of Mr. Feissel, in 1994. What he told me indicated that he was not in need of a settlement and would never be as long as Greek Cypriot side was recognized as the government of Cyprus! Now the hope of entering the EU was growing. So why should he bother talking to Turkish Cypriots?

He told me that he would be talking to me if I agreed to support the application of the government of Cyprus for EU membership well knowing that I could not do so prior to a satisfactory agreement and prior to entry of Turkey into the EU as per 1960 Agreements. Then we had the New York and Glion talks all under the shadow of EU and statements to the effect that “Cyprus” would be a member whether there was an agreement or not.

It is in this atmosphere that I wanted to have direct talks with Mr. Clerides. He wanted UN to be present because unknowingly, UN and its resolutions support the dictum of Makarios that the title of Cyprus government represents Greek Cypriots as the sole people of Cyprus and that any agreement has to be under this cloak! The endeavours of De Soto failed because what he produced was not an answer to the ills of Cyprus and did not satisfy either side. Greek Cypriot double-talk about the Annan Plan should not distort this reality. Public polls showed that 71% of Greek Cypriots do not support EU membership, but accept it for the sake of the national cause! And I am sure you will agree that the whole trouble arose from this national cause!

If you have not read the Akritas Plan please read it and then, look at the condition of Turkish Cypriot villages in the South.

How would you feel if we had destroyed the constitutional order (as Makarios did in 1963) and declared to be the legitimate government of Cyprus and forced you to live in “enclaves” surrounded by armed people for eleven years?

The arrival of Turkey saved us from utter destruction and is a defence measure against the illegal occupation of the joint seat of 1960 constitutional government. When Greek Cypriots who occupy that joint seat abandon the claim that they are the legitimate government of all, then the way to a balanced, fair and permanent settlement will be opened.

Yours sincerely,
Rauf R. DENKTAÞ
President

I had the ability to read the first 2 lines of this post. this was more than enouph.

Reply - G/cs are not just the legimate government off all Island, but the additional info for ou and Mr Denktash is that he is inlegally in Cyprus since

a.he is a shelter came in Island alongwith invasion army (not 1974 but before)

bb.he was legally instructed to not visit Cyprus again and my stupid friend NIKOLOPOLOULOS-Dentash know him very well- did not kill him when he arrested him WHEN HE ENTER Cyprus illegally but he showed him to UN SOLDIERS.GOODNIGHT VIETNAM-WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THE CYPRUS PROBLEM BASIS THEN COME BACK

[insan]

TRNC President Rauf Denktaþ' Letter to Maria and Antonis Demetriades dated September 12, 2003.

Dear Maria and Antonis Demetriades,
Thank you for your e-mail of 11 September, 2003

I am not preventing Turkish Cypriots from entering the EU. I am telling them that the application for EU membership was made by the Greek Cypriot leaders pretending that they represent the whole island including Turkish Cypriots; that the application was politically motivated as stated by Mr. Clerides: “When we enter the EU Turkish guarantee will become non-effective and all Greek Cypriot refugees will be able to return North and thus Hellenism will be victorious”. In other words what the Greek Cypriot administration failed to achieve through the application of the Akritas Plan and embargoes coupled with lies they tell in diplomatic circles that the problem began in 1974, they now try to obtain the same result through EU membership.

The application for EU membership cannot be treated by us as a legal and valid application not only because it was not made by a constitutional government serving the whole population but also because the 1960 Treaties prohibit the entry of Cyprus into such a union unless both motherlands are members and both co-founder partners of the 1960 Republic (Turkish and Greek Cypriots) agree to it. That is why we paid priority to the settlement of the Cyprus problem so that a legitimate government composing of both sides ensue! This has not been possible so far due to Greek Cypriot intransigence.

I talked with Mr. Clerides from 1968 to 1973. We almost agreed on putting geography (as local autonomy) under the 1960 constitutional set up. Makarios rejected it because I did not accept minority status and I insisted on the continuation of the guarantee system. Clerides and Greece urged Makarios to agree but he refused. After the 1974 coup and arrival of Turkey I helped Clerides to settle all the humanitarian problems and he helped me likewise. In 1975 we agreed and exchange of population took place. We were ready to start talking a settlement on a bi-zonal basis when Makarios (who was in Athens) declared that he would never accept a settlement based on bi-zonality. Then, Mr. Clerides resigned, Makarios came back to Cyprus and refused to talk to us still expecting that “the world” would pull Turkey out and he would take over the whole island and hand it to Greece. Finally in 1977 I forced him through diplomatic channels and UN Secretary-General to meet me. We met and agreed on a bi-zonal, federal settlement in which the three freedoms would be restricted in order to give Turkish Cypriot side the protection and security it needed. Immediately Kyprianou and Lyssarides attacked Makarios for having agreed to such a settlement. Makarios died in a few months time and Mr. Kyprianou took over. He refused to see me until 1979 when again I forced him to the table through the UN Secretary-General. We agreed on a similar formula: bi-zonal federation as agreed with Makarios! But Mr. Kyprianou had no intention of establishing a new partnership with Turkish Cypriots. On and off the talks continued for eleven years. His Minister of Foreign Affairs Mr. Rolandis resigned, declaring that Kyprianou was using him to deceive the world that he was for a federal settlement when he was not! And indeed when Kyprianou lost the elections he became bold enough to declare that he never wanted federation. “I served the national cause” he said “by honoring the will and testament of the great leader Makarios!” According to this will and testament Makarios had said that by what he had achieved in Cyprus (namely throwing all Turkish Cypriots from the partnership state and from all of its organs) he had brought Cyprus to the nearest point to Enosis. “There is no going back on this except for Enosis” he had said.

And it is here that we have got stuck, because Greek Cypriot leaders believe that Turkish Cypriots have no alternative but to accept this illegal Greek Cypriot fait accompli and that they will eventually succeed in getting back the whole island under this title.

Mr. Vasiliou won the elections against Clerides. We later saw in the Greek Cypriot press that Vasiliou, in order to get the support of other parties including that of Kyprianou, had given them written assurances that he would follow the same national line. Five more years were lost when Mr. Clerides won the elections on the ticket that the set of ideas (on which an agreement was likely) was tantamount to partition. That was 1992/93. For two years Clerides refused to see me saying that there was no common ground between us, thus rejecting the UN formula as set out in the set of ideas.

After two years I managed, again through the UN Secretary-General, to see Mr. Clerides in the residence of Mr. Feissel, in 1994. What he told me indicated that he was not in need of a settlement and would never be as long as Greek Cypriot side was recognized as the government of Cyprus! Now the hope of entering the EU was growing. So why should he bother talking to Turkish Cypriots?

He told me that he would be talking to me if I agreed to support the application of the government of Cyprus for EU membership well knowing that I could not do so prior to a satisfactory agreement and prior to entry of Turkey into the EU as per 1960 Agreements. Then we had the New York and Glion talks all under the shadow of EU and statements to the effect that “Cyprus” would be a member whether there was an agreement or not.

It is in this atmosphere that I wanted to have direct talks with Mr. Clerides. He wanted UN to be present because unknowingly, UN and its resolutions support the dictum of Makarios that the title of Cyprus government represents Greek Cypriots as the sole people of Cyprus and that any agreement has to be under this cloak! The endeavours of De Soto failed because what he produced was not an answer to the ills of Cyprus and did not satisfy either side. Greek Cypriot double-talk about the Annan Plan should not distort this reality. Public polls showed that 71% of Greek Cypriots do not support EU membership, but accept it for the sake of the national cause! And I am sure you will agree that the whole trouble arose from this national cause!

If you have not read the Akritas Plan please read it and then, look at the condition of Turkish Cypriot villages in the South.

How would you feel if we had destroyed the constitutional order (as Makarios did in 1963) and declared to be the legitimate government of Cyprus and forced you to live in “enclaves” surrounded by armed people for eleven years?

The arrival of Turkey saved us from utter destruction and is a defence measure against the illegal occupation of the joint seat of 1960 constitutional government. When Greek Cypriots who occupy that joint seat abandon the claim that they are the legitimate government of all, then the way to a balanced, fair and permanent settlement will be opened.

Yours sincerely,
Rauf R. DENKTAÞ
President

I had the ability to read the first 2 lines of this post. this was more than enouph.

Reply - G/cs are not just the legimate government off all Island, but the additional info for ou and Mr Denktash is that he is inlegally in Cyprus since

a.he is a shelter came in Island alongwith invasion army (not 1974 but before)

bb.he was legally instructed to not visit Cyprus again and my stupid friend NIKOLOPOLOULOS-Dentash know him very well- did not kill him when he arrested him WHEN HE ENTER Cyprus illegally but he showed him to UN SOLDIERS.GOODNIGHT VIETNAM-WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THE CYPRUS PROBLEM BASIS THEN COME BACK

Denktaş is just a leader representing the views of his community. Had Denktaş been killed, TC community would have chosen another leader. Look at your own community, all successors of Makarios maintained the same policy regarding your national cause. See, there has been no difference.

[EPSILON]

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Denktaş is just a leader representing the views of his community. Had Denktaş been killed, TC community would have chosen another leader. Look at your own community, all successors of Makarios maintained the same policy regarding your national cause. See, there has been no difference.[/quote]

try again-read some books. Cyprus problem is not starting in 1963 or 1974.
problem started much earlier-study and come back

[insan]

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Denktaş is just a leader representing the views of his community. Had Denktaş been killed, TC community would have chosen another leader. Look at your own community, all successors of Makarios maintained the same policy regarding your national cause. See, there has been no difference.

try again-read some books. Cyprus problem is not starting in 1963 or 1974.
problem started much earlier-study and come back[/quote]

Ok. I'm sure u don't even read the posts in this forum, let alone reading any books regarding Cyprus problem.

[Get Real!]

...because the 1960 Treaties prohibit the entry of Cyprus into such a union unless both motherlands are members and both co-founder partners of the 1960 Republic (Turkish and Greek Cypriots) agree to it.

The Eligibility of the Republic of Cyprus for EU Membership

Conclusions

15. For the reasons we have given, we remain firmly of the opinion that there is no legal basis for the argument that Cyprus is prevented by the Treaty of Guarantee, or by any provisions of the Constitution of 1960, from becoming a member of the EU or from complying with its treaty obligations towards Turkey once it becomes a member.

James Crawford
Whewell Professor of International Law, University of Cambridge

Gerhard Hafner
Professor of International Law, University of Vienna

Alain Pellet
Professor of International Law, University of Paris-X

http://www.un.int/cyprus/mendel.htm

[Jerry]

He says he forced both Makarios and later Kyprianou to talk to him, typical talk from the bullying braggart. I was in Cyprus when he was caught sneaking onto the island in the 1960s, they should have made him swim back to Turkey.

[RAFAELLA]

TRNC President Rauf Denktas;Letter to Rafaella

"What an honor!" I thought.
...clouds of disappointment covered my joy, tears started gathering in my eyes, they were dancing on my eyelids as they were rolling down my face (where's kleenex when you need them ) ....what a frustration! ...the letter was not addressed to me!


Dear Insan the following are addressed to you, not from Rauf but from me

"Naturally Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus. It is fortunate that the Turkish Cypriot community exists here. Even if the Turkish Cypriot community did not exist, Turkey would not have left Cyprus to Greece."
Rauf Denktash, 23 July 1985

"Denktash is able, in front of everybody without hesitation, to make untrue statements with ease… Denktash is trying to mislead both the Turkish Cypriots and the world."
Yenidüzen (Turkish Cypriot newspaper), 29 June 1987

"...you are condemned to be crushed by a 65-million-strong Turkey."
Warning to Greek Cypriots by Turkish occupation representative Rauf Denktash soon after delivering what he termed a "peace plan" for permanent apartheid in Cyprus, 9 September 1998