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[Kikapu]

Mr Solano's silence when asked the question speaks volumes. It is obvious, Peace first then Turkey will leave. That simple. I wonder if Mr X appreciates this situation.

Couldnt have put it better myself, no one is taking a blind bit of notice of the GC crying. Did Mr Solano answer?

I see Solano's silence a little differently than you two................surprise, suprise.!

Here is Javier Solana, a big shot leader being embarrassed by little nobody Matsakis, who had a "free shot" at him, and all Solano could do was just sit there like a little boy and take it in the shorts, because he had no way of defending what Matsakis was stating. There is nothing worse than a leader of anything, a country, bank, firm, football team and so on, to be accused of not doing their jobs or not knowing how to do their jobs, and just by sitting there and taking it like a moron without even making an attempt to justify their position, only enforces the arguments made by their accusers, and in this case, the accuser was Matsakis and Solano was the impotent moron. I don't see how anyone can take Solano serious from now when he could not even deal with a soft blow from little nobody Matsakis. Solano must still be licking his wounds from Matsakis's tongue lashings. How embarrassing is that.?

You would say that. Lurucina flag thief used the word immediate for the removal of the Turkish army. That’s pissing in the wind Kikapu and you know it. The reason Solano did not say anything is because that wasn't a question and answer session.
Its quite the reverse, Matsakis is viewed as an annoying fly. Thats the impression I got from the clip.
BTW I want my flag back.

Think what you will YFred. I'm just giving you the other side of the "glass half full/half empty" argument. You and VP are all too ready and willing to see only one side of an issue that you think it benefits the north. I on the other hand, look at issues from a distance with objectivity, which tends to give me a clearer picture than what you two were seeing.

I don't have your flag, so stop complaining to me about it.!

Here, you can have this one instead.!

[YFred]

Mr Solano's silence when asked the question speaks volumes. It is obvious, Peace first then Turkey will leave. That simple. I wonder if Mr X appreciates this situation.

Couldnt have put it better myself, no one is taking a blind bit of notice of the GC crying. Did Mr Solano answer?

I see Solano's silence a little differently than you two................surprise, suprise.!

Here is Javier Solana, a big shot leader being embarrassed by little nobody Matsakis, who had a "free shot" at him, and all Solano could do was just sit there like a little boy and take it in the shorts, because he had no way of defending what Matsakis was stating. There is nothing worse than a leader of anything, a country, bank, firm, football team and so on, to be accused of not doing their jobs or not knowing how to do their jobs, and just by sitting there and taking it like a moron without even making an attempt to justify their position, only enforces the arguments made by their accusers, and in this case, the accuser was Matsakis and Solano was the impotent moron. I don't see how anyone can take Solano serious from now when he could not even deal with a soft blow from little nobody Matsakis. Solano must still be licking his wounds from Matsakis's tongue lashings. How embarrassing is that.?

You would say that. Lurucina flag thief used the word immediate for the removal of the Turkish army. That’s pissing in the wind Kikapu and you know it. The reason Solano did not say anything is because that wasn't a question and answer session.
Its quite the reverse, Matsakis is viewed as an annoying fly. Thats the impression I got from the clip.
BTW I want my flag back.

Think what you will YFred. I'm just giving you the other side of the "glass half full/half empty" argument. You and VP are all too ready and willing to see only one side of an issue that you think it benefits the north. I on the other hand, look at issues from a distance with objectivity, which tends to give me a clearer picture than what you two were seeing.

I don't have your flag, so stop complaining to me about it.!

Here, you can have this one instead.!

Kikapu, I have never sided with any thief of any kind, what I object to is this collective punishment of TCs to submission. You will find most populations atitude will harden to activities like that. TCs are no different.
And there goes the last chance for peace.

[Kikapu]

Mr Solano's silence when asked the question speaks volumes. It is obvious, Peace first then Turkey will leave. That simple. I wonder if Mr X appreciates this situation.

Couldnt have put it better myself, no one is taking a blind bit of notice of the GC crying. Did Mr Solano answer?

I see Solano's silence a little differently than you two................surprise, suprise.!

Here is Javier Solana, a big shot leader being embarrassed by little nobody Matsakis, who had a "free shot" at him, and all Solano could do was just sit there like a little boy and take it in the shorts, because he had no way of defending what Matsakis was stating. There is nothing worse than a leader of anything, a country, bank, firm, football team and so on, to be accused of not doing their jobs or not knowing how to do their jobs, and just by sitting there and taking it like a moron without even making an attempt to justify their position, only enforces the arguments made by their accusers, and in this case, the accuser was Matsakis and Solano was the impotent moron. I don't see how anyone can take Solano serious from now when he could not even deal with a soft blow from little nobody Matsakis. Solano must still be licking his wounds from Matsakis's tongue lashings. How embarrassing is that.?

You would say that. Lurucina flag thief used the word immediate for the removal of the Turkish army. That’s pissing in the wind Kikapu and you know it. The reason Solano did not say anything is because that wasn't a question and answer session.
Its quite the reverse, Matsakis is viewed as an annoying fly. Thats the impression I got from the clip.
BTW I want my flag back.

Think what you will YFred. I'm just giving you the other side of the "glass half full/half empty" argument. You and VP are all too ready and willing to see only one side of an issue that you think it benefits the north. I on the other hand, look at issues from a distance with objectivity, which tends to give me a clearer picture than what you two were seeing.

I don't have your flag, so stop complaining to me about it.!

Here, you can have this one instead.!

Kikapu, I have never sided with any thief of any kind, what I object to is this collective punishment of TCs to submission. You will find most populations atitude will harden to activities like that. TCs are no different.
And there goes the last chance for peace.

I do not support collective punishment either YFred, but if you are saying that the TC's are being given "collective punishment" by the GC's, then what are the TC's doing to the 200,000 GC refugees who have been rooted out of their land for the last 35+ years, just because the Junta from Greece and small GC groups toppled the RoC government for few days.?

For every action, there is always a reaction, which applies to both sides. The only way to stop this vicious circle of "collective punishment" is to institute once and for all a True Democracy for all Cypriots as it is the norm in all other EU countries. Without this "catalyst" to bond citizens together as equals, the vicious circle will never be broken, which sadly is what the NeoPartionist and NeoNationalist on both sides want. The only way to strike a blow to this "Cancers of Cyprus", is to have a True Democracy. Anything else, is and will be perpetuation of past resentments of hate and revenge seeking that will only bring further "collective punishments".!

[YFred]

Mr Solano's silence when asked the question speaks volumes. It is obvious, Peace first then Turkey will leave. That simple. I wonder if Mr X appreciates this situation.

Couldnt have put it better myself, no one is taking a blind bit of notice of the GC crying. Did Mr Solano answer?

I see Solano's silence a little differently than you two................surprise, suprise.!

Here is Javier Solana, a big shot leader being embarrassed by little nobody Matsakis, who had a "free shot" at him, and all Solano could do was just sit there like a little boy and take it in the shorts, because he had no way of defending what Matsakis was stating. There is nothing worse than a leader of anything, a country, bank, firm, football team and so on, to be accused of not doing their jobs or not knowing how to do their jobs, and just by sitting there and taking it like a moron without even making an attempt to justify their position, only enforces the arguments made by their accusers, and in this case, the accuser was Matsakis and Solano was the impotent moron. I don't see how anyone can take Solano serious from now when he could not even deal with a soft blow from little nobody Matsakis. Solano must still be licking his wounds from Matsakis's tongue lashings. How embarrassing is that.?

You would say that. Lurucina flag thief used the word immediate for the removal of the Turkish army. That’s pissing in the wind Kikapu and you know it. The reason Solano did not say anything is because that wasn't a question and answer session.
Its quite the reverse, Matsakis is viewed as an annoying fly. Thats the impression I got from the clip.
BTW I want my flag back.

Think what you will YFred. I'm just giving you the other side of the "glass half full/half empty" argument. You and VP are all too ready and willing to see only one side of an issue that you think it benefits the north. I on the other hand, look at issues from a distance with objectivity, which tends to give me a clearer picture than what you two were seeing.

I don't have your flag, so stop complaining to me about it.!

Here, you can have this one instead.!

Kikapu, I have never sided with any thief of any kind, what I object to is this collective punishment of TCs to submission. You will find most populations atitude will harden to activities like that. TCs are no different.
And there goes the last chance for peace.

I do not support collective punishment either YFred, but if you are saying that the TC's are being given "collective punishment" by the GC's, then what are the TC's doing to the 200,000 GC refugees who have been rooted out of their land for the last 35+ years, just because the Junta from Greece and small GC groups toppled the RoC government for few days.?

For every action, there is always a reaction, which applies to both sides. The only way to stop this vicious circle of "collective punishment" is to institute once and for all a True Democracy for all Cypriots as it is the norm in all other EU countries. Without this "catalyst" to bond citizens together as equals, the vicious circle will never be broken, which sadly is what the NeoPartionist and NeoNationalist on both sides want. The only way to strike a blow to this "Cancers of Cyprus", is to have a True Democracy. Anything else, is and will be perpetuation of past resentments of hate and revenge seeking that will only bring further "collective punishments".!

There we have an agreement. RoC and Turkey are two of a kind. How can you support one and not the other.

[bigOz]

Mr Solano's silence when asked the question speaks volumes. It is obvious, Peace first then Turkey will leave. That simple. I wonder if Mr X appreciates this situation.

Couldnt have put it better myself, no one is taking a blind bit of notice of the GC crying. Did Mr Solano answer?

I see Solano's silence a little differently than you two................surprise, suprise.!

Here is Javier Solana, a big shot leader being embarrassed by little nobody Matsakis, who had a "free shot" at him, and all Solano could do was just sit there like a little boy and take it in the shorts, because he had no way of defending what Matsakis was stating. There is nothing worse than a leader of anything, a country, bank, firm, football team and so on, to be accused of not doing their jobs or not knowing how to do their jobs, and just by sitting there and taking it like a moron without even making an attempt to justify their position, only enforces the arguments made by their accusers, and in this case, the accuser was Matsakis and Solano was the impotent moron. I don't see how anyone can take Solano serious from now when he could not even deal with a soft blow from little nobody Matsakis. Solano must still be licking his wounds from Matsakis's tongue lashings. How embarrassing is that.?

You would say that. Lurucina flag thief used the word immediate for the removal of the Turkish army. That’s pissing in the wind Kikapu and you know it. The reason Solano did not say anything is because that wasn't a question and answer session.
Its quite the reverse, Matsakis is viewed as an annoying fly. Thats the impression I got from the clip.
BTW I want my flag back.

Think what you will YFred. I'm just giving you the other side of the "glass half full/half empty" argument. You and VP are all too ready and willing to see only one side of an issue that you think it benefits the north. I on the other hand, look at issues from a distance with objectivity, which tends to give me a clearer picture than what you two were seeing.

I don't have your flag, so stop complaining to me about it.!

Here, you can have this one instead.!

Kikapu, I have never sided with any thief of any kind, what I object to is this collective punishment of TCs to submission. You will find most populations atitude will harden to activities like that. TCs are no different.
And there goes the last chance for peace.

I do not support collective punishment either YFred, but if you are saying that the TC's are being given "collective punishment" by the GC's, then what are the TC's doing to the 200,000 GC refugees who have been rooted out of their land for the last 35+ years, just because the Junta from Greece and small GC groups toppled the RoC government for few days.?

For every action, there is always a reaction, which applies to both sides. The only way to stop this vicious circle of "collective punishment" is to institute once and for all a True Democracy for all Cypriots as it is the norm in all other EU countries. Without this "catalyst" to bond citizens together as equals, the vicious circle will never be broken, which sadly is what the NeoPartionist and NeoNationalist on both sides want. The only way to strike a blow to this "Cancers of Cyprus", is to have a True Democracy. Anything else, is and will be perpetuation of past resentments of hate and revenge seeking that will only bring further "collective punishments".!

There we have an agreement. RoC and Turkey are two of a kind. How can you support one and not the other.

Kikapu, you are missing the point and giving bad examples again! The pledge of 200000 (which officially stands around 180000 I believe but I may be wrong) is no different than the 70000 TCs who were uprooted from the South or at least another 50-60 thousand who had no choice but to leave their country after the 1963 troubles started (including yourself and probably some members of your family) until soon after 74 war when the trend momentarily stopped. But over the past 10 years it has started again affecting the structure and the very existence of the TC community in Cyprus.

YFred is more concerned (and rightly) about the possibility of ever finding a solution to the Cyprus problem by alienating the TCs and collective punishment of the same, economically and politically. I had stated in many posts more than a year ago that such an attitude would only serve the nationalistic fanatics and extremists, as well as hardening the attitude of the TCs. Look what has happened now! Whilst a great majority voted to enter the EU as a single nation with GCs (refused by the GCs of course), a recent poll claims a great majority now would refuse the same and vote "NO". Well, a lot flucking good the GC politics (i.e. the collective punishment dished out) over the past years has done then...

[Kikapu]

Mr Solano's silence when asked the question speaks volumes. It is obvious, Peace first then Turkey will leave. That simple. I wonder if Mr X appreciates this situation.

Couldnt have put it better myself, no one is taking a blind bit of notice of the GC crying. Did Mr Solano answer?

I see Solano's silence a little differently than you two................surprise, suprise.!

Here is Javier Solana, a big shot leader being embarrassed by little nobody Matsakis, who had a "free shot" at him, and all Solano could do was just sit there like a little boy and take it in the shorts, because he had no way of defending what Matsakis was stating. There is nothing worse than a leader of anything, a country, bank, firm, football team and so on, to be accused of not doing their jobs or not knowing how to do their jobs, and just by sitting there and taking it like a moron without even making an attempt to justify their position, only enforces the arguments made by their accusers, and in this case, the accuser was Matsakis and Solano was the impotent moron. I don't see how anyone can take Solano serious from now when he could not even deal with a soft blow from little nobody Matsakis. Solano must still be licking his wounds from Matsakis's tongue lashings. How embarrassing is that.?

You would say that. Lurucina flag thief used the word immediate for the removal of the Turkish army. That’s pissing in the wind Kikapu and you know it. The reason Solano did not say anything is because that wasn't a question and answer session.
Its quite the reverse, Matsakis is viewed as an annoying fly. Thats the impression I got from the clip.
BTW I want my flag back.

Think what you will YFred. I'm just giving you the other side of the "glass half full/half empty" argument. You and VP are all too ready and willing to see only one side of an issue that you think it benefits the north. I on the other hand, look at issues from a distance with objectivity, which tends to give me a clearer picture than what you two were seeing.

I don't have your flag, so stop complaining to me about it.!

Here, you can have this one instead.!

Kikapu, I have never sided with any thief of any kind, what I object to is this collective punishment of TCs to submission. You will find most populations atitude will harden to activities like that. TCs are no different.
And there goes the last chance for peace.

I do not support collective punishment either YFred, but if you are saying that the TC's are being given "collective punishment" by the GC's, then what are the TC's doing to the 200,000 GC refugees who have been rooted out of their land for the last 35+ years, just because the Junta from Greece and small GC groups toppled the RoC government for few days.?

For every action, there is always a reaction, which applies to both sides. The only way to stop this vicious circle of "collective punishment" is to institute once and for all a True Democracy for all Cypriots as it is the norm in all other EU countries. Without this "catalyst" to bond citizens together as equals, the vicious circle will never be broken, which sadly is what the NeoPartionist and NeoNationalist on both sides want. The only way to strike a blow to this "Cancers of Cyprus", is to have a True Democracy. Anything else, is and will be perpetuation of past resentments of hate and revenge seeking that will only bring further "collective punishments".!

There we have an agreement. RoC and Turkey are two of a kind. How can you support one and not the other.

Kikapu, you are missing the point and giving bad examples again! The pledge of 200000 (which officially stands around 180000 I believe but I may be wrong) is no different than the 70000 TCs who were uprooted from the South or at least another 50-60 thousand who had no choice but to leave their country after the 1963 troubles started (including yourself and probably some members of your family) until soon after 74 war when the trend momentarily stopped. But over the past 10 years it has started again affecting the structure and the very existence of the TC community in Cyprus.

YFred is more concerned (and rightly) about the possibility of ever finding a solution to the Cyprus problem by alienating the TCs and collective punishment of the same, economically and politically. I had stated in many posts more than a year ago that such an attitude would only serve the nationalistic fanatics and extremists, as well as hardening the attitude of the TCs. Look what has happened now! Whilst a great majority voted to enter the EU as a single nation with GCs (refused by the GCs of course), a recent poll claims a great majority now would refuse the same and vote "NO". Well, a lot flucking good the GC politics (i.e. the collective punishment dished out) over the past years has done then...

I don't think I missed the point, bigoz. I was just reminding YFred, that there are two sides to a coin when he was only pointing to just one side. Of course people from both sides have been displaced, including myself and my family, but lets leave that part of history behind for the moment and talk about more recent events where certain actions that would have helped the TC's economically were refused by the TC's themselves, like opening the Famagusta port under the EU control which was proposed by the GC's. What was to be gotten in return, the rundown Verosa that has no practical use for the TC's as is, other than a bargaining chip in the future for land swap, but in the meantime, much needed economically useful seaport to ship goods out to the EU was rejected.

Lets just assume that the GC's would lift the embargoes to the north for the TC's to trade freely to become economically independent of Turkey. Will that make the TC's want to form a True Democratic country with the GC's, because that's what the GC's want and not something close to what Annan Plan proposed, which is what the TC's want, that will leave the door open for an Independent Partition down the road. Also, would a economically strong TC's in the north would ever ask Turkey to leave, and even if they did, how can they make Turkey leave Cyprus if they don't want to. The point I'm trying to make is, Turkey can ignore the TC's demands just as they have refused the demands of the UN, so where is the incentive for the GC's to help make the TC economy in the north a strong one. I understand, that by the GC's not helping the TC is not winning them any favours, but that's being bad for relationships between them, how much worse would it be for the GC's, if they did help the TC's get economically strong and then the TC's turn around and told the GC's "we don't need to unite with you anymore, because we are doing just fine without you, because we have a strong economy and the Turkish Troops on the island are here to stay to make sure it stays that way." You see bigoz, I'm looking at both sides of the coin, and not just the one side, as YFred was doing with that particular post he made above.!

[YFred]

Kicks,
Your argument is exactly what the Turkish establishmnent has been using to justify their Kurdish policy. That hasn't achieved the desired effect you are wanting. I think you have forgotten what friendship means. If TCs get stronger on account that not only do they trade directly with GCs but also with who ever they choose to, why should they go off on their own. Over here Scotland was given a choice and chose to stay and so did Wales.

[wyoming cowboy]

Your prime minister made a complete fool out of himself, in front of all of Europe. The coward is Edrogan for not answering the question o"does turkey feel confident enough in the european union to afford security to the Turk cyps..." great guestion and a very stupid answer...one could hear in the video all of Europe laughing at the Turk minister...

that flag stealer says how much he admires Erdogan and Turkey each time he comes here. coward soul.