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Dehellenising Cyprus, Clinton on Turk minority

Postby christos1 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:39 pm

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:47 pm

U could be unable to slow down again. :lol: Double post make is it more effective? :lol:
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Postby christos1 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:54 pm

insan wrote:U could be unable to slow down again. :lol: Double post make is it more effective? :lol:




Refresh your browser. :wink:

Insan, i cant talk right now as i am learning some new moves on dancing. I am going to be ready for this British stoner chic this weekend. If you need some lessons, this guy is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0746Edaolz8

Furk, i even look like the guy in the vid.
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Re: Dehellenising Cyprus, Clinton on Turk minority

Postby miltiades » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:13 pm

christos1 wrote:I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Can you tell me if you have either a Cypriot ID or a Cypriot passport ??
The entire world recognises the island of Cyprus and its legal entity as that of a Cypriot nation. What the hell is it with you people who are in denial of our Cypriot ancestry and our Cypriot nationality.
I'm not , repeat not a bloody KALAMARAS , I'm a Cypriot above all else , you want to deny me my birthright by denigrating my devine right to be a national of my country of birth. I have nothing , I repeat nothing to be ashamed of being a Cypriot , you obviously are and Im certain that when asked of your nationality you stick your chest out and reply , Greek , well I dont mate I reply a Cypriot if pressed further to reveal if a G/C or a T/C then I repond by saying a G/C by default.
I love Greek music , I performed it professionaly , I love Greek food , I adore the reachness of the Greek language , the Greek glory of thousands of years ago , the contribution that Greece made to the world and the fact that our Western world civilization , democracy and culture IS a byproduct of the Greek civilization , but we are Greek Cypriots and the island of Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , all of them .

You posted in another thread that I'm "gullible" , let me assure that I'm no ones fool , I have never been a sucker and neither do I or anyone else considers me to an unsophisticated naive 63 year old.
What you failed to mention is that I'm a pragmatist and undeviatingly consistent with my support of the independence and territorial integrity of my nation which concurs in totality with the position of all International institutions.
ps. Your out of order with your comments concerning Bananiot , a man that I have met on 3 occasions and found him a solid respectable professional man who has my total respect.
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:20 pm

christos1 wrote:
insan wrote:U could be unable to slow down again. :lol: Double post make is it more effective? :lol:




Refresh your browser. :wink:

Insan, i cant talk right now as i am learning some new moves on dancing. I am going to be ready for this British stoner chic this weekend. If you need some lessons, this guy is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0746Edaolz8

Furk, i even look like the guy in the vid.


That style is too domestic for me. Brits r progressive and innovative people. They like innovative styles e.g "House Dancing" which I'm an expert of it since late 80s. :D Do u look like the sitting guy or dancing? U need to be very careful while "washing the laundry" becaue it is highly probable to shake and stick ur head between her b**bs and make her scream. :lol:

Anyway I wish u good luck. :wink:

Here's the "house dance":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIq1wYCxzH0
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Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:43 pm

insan wrote:
christos1 wrote:
insan wrote:U could be unable to slow down again. :lol: Double post make is it more effective? :lol:




Refresh your browser. :wink:

Insan, i cant talk right now as i am learning some new moves on dancing. I am going to be ready for this British stoner chic this weekend. If you need some lessons, this guy is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0746Edaolz8

Furk, i even look like the guy in the vid.


That style is too domestic for me. Brits r progressive and innovative people. They like innovative styles e.g "House Dancing" which I'm an expert of it since late 80s. :D Do u look like the sitting guy or dancing? U need to be very careful while "washing the laundry" becaue it is highly probable to shake and stick ur head between her b**bs and make her scream. :lol:

Anyway I wish u good luck. :wink:

Here's the "house dance":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIq1wYCxzH0


Wimps .... :roll:

Here's what I'm getting back to doing ....



:lol:
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:05 pm

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
christos1 wrote:
insan wrote:U could be unable to slow down again. :lol: Double post make is it more effective? :lol:




Refresh your browser. :wink:

Insan, i cant talk right now as i am learning some new moves on dancing. I am going to be ready for this British stoner chic this weekend. If you need some lessons, this guy is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0746Edaolz8

Furk, i even look like the guy in the vid.


That style is too domestic for me. Brits r progressive and innovative people. They like innovative styles e.g "House Dancing" which I'm an expert of it since late 80s. :D Do u look like the sitting guy or dancing? U need to be very careful while "washing the laundry" becaue it is highly probable to shake and stick ur head between her b**bs and make her scream. :lol:

Anyway I wish u good luck. :wink:

Here's the "house dance":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIq1wYCxzH0


Wimps .... :roll:

Here's what I'm getting back to doing ....



:lol:


I'm very doubtful even if u had done it at the age of that young, beautiful girl but I'm sure u had tried but failed. Hpowever not because of u weren't able to do it but ur dad prevented u. :lol:

As for the getting back to do it; it depends on the success of ur new diet movement I'm sure. And before trying it outdoors, try it at home; in case u break any part of ur bones, folks could take u the nearest hospital. :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:19 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
christos1 wrote:
insan wrote:U could be unable to slow down again. :lol: Double post make is it more effective? :lol:




Refresh your browser. :wink:

Insan, i cant talk right now as i am learning some new moves on dancing. I am going to be ready for this British stoner chic this weekend. If you need some lessons, this guy is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0746Edaolz8

Furk, i even look like the guy in the vid.


That style is too domestic for me. Brits r progressive and innovative people. They like innovative styles e.g "House Dancing" which I'm an expert of it since late 80s. :D Do u look like the sitting guy or dancing? U need to be very careful while "washing the laundry" becaue it is highly probable to shake and stick ur head between her b**bs and make her scream. :lol:

Anyway I wish u good luck. :wink:

Here's the "house dance":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIq1wYCxzH0


Wimps .... :roll:

Here's what I'm getting back to doing ....



:lol:


I'm very doubtful even if u had done it at the age of that young, beautiful girl but I'm sure u had tried but failed. Hpowever not because of u weren't able to do it but ur dad prevented u. :lol:

As for the getting back to do it; it depends on the success of ur new diet movement I'm sure. And before trying it outdoors, try it at home; in case u break any part of ur bones, folks could take u the nearest hospital. :lol:


I'll have you know, my father was an Olympic standard gymnast :roll:

OK so I may knock a wall down if I tried that now :lol: ... but I'll be back to running 10 miles per day within 4 months (tops), now my thigh muscle is healed up again!

Are you going to join us in getting fit? Or are you some skinny chain smoking skin-and-bone man?
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:35 pm

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
christos1 wrote:
insan wrote:U could be unable to slow down again. :lol: Double post make is it more effective? :lol:




Refresh your browser. :wink:

Insan, i cant talk right now as i am learning some new moves on dancing. I am going to be ready for this British stoner chic this weekend. If you need some lessons, this guy is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0746Edaolz8

Furk, i even look like the guy in the vid.


That style is too domestic for me. Brits r progressive and innovative people. They like innovative styles e.g "House Dancing" which I'm an expert of it since late 80s. :D Do u look like the sitting guy or dancing? U need to be very careful while "washing the laundry" becaue it is highly probable to shake and stick ur head between her b**bs and make her scream. :lol:

Anyway I wish u good luck. :wink:

Here's the "house dance":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIq1wYCxzH0


Wimps .... :roll:

Here's what I'm getting back to doing ....



:lol:


I'm very doubtful even if u had done it at the age of that young, beautiful girl but I'm sure u had tried but failed. Hpowever not because of u weren't able to do it but ur dad prevented u. :lol:

As for the getting back to do it; it depends on the success of ur new diet movement I'm sure. And before trying it outdoors, try it at home; in case u break any part of ur bones, folks could take u the nearest hospital. :lol:


I'll have you know, my father was an Olympic standard gymnast :roll:

OK so I may knock a wall down if I tried that now :lol: ... but I'll be back to running 10 miles per day within 4 months (tops), now my thigh muscle is healed up again!

Are you going to join us in getting fit? Or are you some skinny chain smoking skin-and-bone man?


Since ur dad was an olympic standard gymnast now i give more chance of succeeding if u get back there... :lol:

Actually, I'd like to join u in getting fit, rather because I wish a vegetable, olive oil and souya oil dominated healthier nutrition. :wink:

I have just 5-6 extra kilos that's all. I smoke the lightest cigarette which has tripple filter. Lately I reduced smoking a lot. I'm not planing to quit smoking but my target is to limit smoking with half a packet/day. :D

I'll follow ur "Healthier Life" thread for a while and decide whether to join or not. The biggest obstacle for me is that I have an irregular life style. :?
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Re: Dehellenising Cyprus, Clinton on Turk minority

Postby Jerry » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:43 pm

christos1 wrote:I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/


Thicko! We want Turkey to want to join the EU. Once it loses the desire to get into Eurpoe the ROC will lose its leverage.

If Britain wanted to dehellenise Cyprus why was the island once offered to Greece.
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