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[Oracle]

Educated Ottomans :lol:

The Oxymoron of the day!

[insan]

Educated Ottomans :lol:

The Oxymoron of the day!

Oxymoron is what u suppose u r and what actually u r. Is there a limit of ur illiteracy regarding Ottomans and Turks?

OTTOMAN LITERATURECatalogs ·; Database Finder ·; Hours ·; My Accounts ·; Libraries ·; Help · Middle East | OTTOMAN LITERATURE. WRITERS AND THE ARTS ...
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[Oracle]

Thanks for demonstrating what I was saying, so effectively insan ...

Limited ...

[insan]

Ottoman Literature in Europe
BARBARA KRUMBACH
This paper was presented at the 2006 Regional Phi Alpha Theta conference.
It is presented here in abstrac t.
The Ottoman Empire had a direct and lasting influence on European
culture in the eighteenth and nineteenth century. This influence is clearly
observed through the literature written and published during this time. The
masses of readers were reading such works as Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels,
the translation of One-Thousand-and-One Arabian Nights, the poetic works of
Byron, and the collection of fables gathered by the Grimm brothers.Jonathan Swift wrote a politically charged piece of literature, and thus
the viewings of Ottoman influence within it are all the more significant due to
their acceptance as commonplace. His choice of characters is a doctor heading
towards the Levant, which was the major Ottoman port for European traders.
In this way Swift showed the public both the fascinating and frightening world of
the non-Europeans.
Another piece of literature which found popularity in Europe was the
directly imported tales associated with Sheherazade and her One-Thousand-and-
One Arabian Nights. These tales offer a rich world built upon the splendor of
the exclusive Ottoman sultan’s palace and his famous harem. The tales also offer
a view into the world of the common people of the empire through
Sheherazade’s tales.

http://www.lagrange.edu/resources/pdf/c ... ttoman.pdf

[miltiades]

The Greeks , the "educated ones" referred to the Cypriots as" ta gaidouria" .
DT , I think it was who said the Greeks dont give a shit about the Cypriots well let me correct him the Greeks dont give a shit about the Greeks !!

As for our "compatriot" Paphitis who is more Greek than the Greeks all that I can say is that he talks a load of bull , the Ottomans called the Greeks "Giaours " not Kalamarades .
I accept that my generation was more likely to refer to the Greeks as Kalamaras than perhaps the modern generation . I dont think is anymore a derogatory remark than calling an African black !
ps. Paphitis do please tell us what is your definition of an educated Cypriot , would it be one that absorbs the bullshit that you post in support of war against Turkey or the other more potent nonsense on turning the North part of Cyprus into a charcoal grey colour.
What a Plonker !!

Perhaps what you don't understand agapi mou, is that the Greeks allow a certain amount of autonomy to all their constituent territories, and have always done so. Hence they will not come and help you free yourself from the Turks, but they will provide confidence, instruction and leverage in the background ... and all you have to do is believe in the Hellenic ideal, which in the last few Centuries has come to mean freedom from the Turkish yoke.

Until you grow up enough to realise that it will not happen until you fall back on your true identity ... then we are stuck with Turks, whilst the rest of our Greek brothers look on and see if we are Worthy to be part of the EU-Hellenic world, which frankly 90% of the Ox-Bridge educated classes would give up their Bede's History of the English People to be a part of!

Now buck up and act like the EU-Greek you know you are!

My true identity is , and always has been , Cypriot.
Let me assure you that the Greeks and their modern day "culture" has nothing of any substance that I would want to emulate. Their insatiable appetite for superficial possessions as well as their unique class system is abhorent to me and always has been. I have always considered the wealthy Greeks to be the most unsophisticated , crude , selfish and ungiving individuals. Having known them and interacted closely for many years I can honestly say that it is they who should have aspired to union with Cyprus and not us with them.
I understand your fondness of the Greek aura but I think you are mistakenly confusing modern day Greece with classical Greece .
The people that I consider closer to me than the mainland Greeks are the rest of the Cypriots , the T/Cs the Armenians and all other Cypriots these are the people that I look to for assistance in getting the foreign occupying troops out of Cyprus and not a nation that not only rejected the Cypriot donkeys when Cyprus was offered to them but also failed miserably in their responsibility to carry out their duty as a guarantor of Cyprus's independence , an independence which they , the Government at the time , jeopardised by their irresponsible , laudable and laughable ideology of ELLAS ELLINON XRISTIANON, to which I say ASSIXTIR !!

My pappou , Chioukka , was born in Theletra Paphos round about 1860 , he died at the ripe old age of 104 , he wore the traditional vraka and like most of his generation made his own wine , red , and drunk a lamitsana a day , about 2 and half bottle I believe . I remember him well , last saw him in 1961 by then a frail old man but a proud Kipreos as proud as I'm today declaring that my Cypriotness is unique , totaly independent of any other nation and I'm proud to call Cyprus my motherland .
Any Cypriot who shares my vision is my compatriot including GR......my Hirokitian cousin !!
The same applies to Deniz , Halil , ORACLE ...YIALOUSA (minus the bloody flag ) ...Kikapu , Birkibrisly , YFred and any other Cypriot who feels that this land is the home of the Cypriot people .
I forgot Bubbles , the sweetest and most gorgeous Cypriot Brit around !!

[Oracle]

That's because you sell pots and pans ... like Gypsies!

[miltiades]

That's because you sell pots and pans ... like Gypsies!

Thats not you is it ? O , you are gorgeous !!

[insan]

That's because you sell pots and pans ... like Gypsies!

Thats not you is it ? O , you are gorgeous !!

[Oracle]

That's because you sell pots and pans ... like Gypsies!

Thats not you is it ? O , you are gorgeous !!

As I suspected ... you are a Gypsy and not a true Stroumbian.

Never mind! ... Gypsy Rose Oracle will open you palm and cross it with Polonium! ... you Turk-siding traitor .... "Flake" anyone?

[Jerry]

[quote="Oracle

Of course there is a school of thought Jerry, and I have seen it argued both ways here on the forum, and if your mind was flexible enough to entertain other possibilities other than those fed by Bananiot ... it is just possible that because so many countries do not want Turkey in the EU, that the Cyprus problem remains unsolved because we have over-emphasised what a free-meal ticket solving the Cyprob would be, towards Turkey entering the EU.

I'm sure there are many schools of thought that can be argued both ways. What's your point?

Perhaps Jerry, we could explore the possibility further, that if Turkey received the boot sooner (to use Kifeas' expression), rather than later, from EU accession talks, we might then see an EU more prepared to help us, rather than allow a bit of Europe (i.e. north Cyprus), taken over by the Turks, whom they would rather have nowhere near the EU.

More help from the EU? My understanding is that some within the EU are pretty pissed off with the ROC so don't expect too much help if Turkey gets the boot sooner. Who knows how the US would compensate Turkey for its rejection - there are several schools of thought.

As for the long term wish of the Brits to de-Hellenise the island, that is also a strong possibility, and the one way "deal" which Britain tried to extract from Greece to join the War, had a lot of unsavoury connections. Why should Greece do a deal with the Brits, to get back its own territory and lose on other fronts? In hindsight it may have been a mistake ... but it's only Bananiot who capitalises on hindsight, for all it is worth!

I can't see how it was a one way deal, Cyprus in exchange for alliance. Cyprus has never been territory of Greece - unless you mean Byzantium.