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[denizaksulu]

Well ... I saved the life of a Turk

Bad Oracle!

nothing wrong with that. Have you saved the soul as well?

Are they born with souls?

(Phew there! ... back to normal! )

O is after our bodies, not our souls. So there.

Deniz, be afraid, very afraid!!!!

Afraid?. Me afraid? Afraid of what?

[denizaksulu]

Well ... I saved the life of a Turk

Bad Oracle!

nothing wrong with that. Have you saved the soul as well?

Are they born with souls?

(Phew there! ... back to normal! )

O is after our bodies, not our souls. So there.

Au contraire ... I have already said they smell of rancid oil

Actually, that may not be due to the kebabs, as I thought, since insan confessed to all the weird oils and potions he consumes.

Nothing wrong with moderation though. Especially with Ginger (gingerol,gingerone). Works wonders with the pulmonary system - vis a vis Asthma. Extract it in ethanol and try a little bit. Lovely drink too. (Medicinal purposes only).



All Cypriots smell the same. GCs with the additional Pork extracts. Now tell me that Pork doesnt stink.

Have a lovely day.

Actually lamb stinks worse ...

I eat crystallised ginger too, most days. It's really nice dropped in a cup of tea to savour at the end.

Anyway, have you heard that Japanese people can smell Europeans and hate sitting next to them on planes?

Might I suggest EUropeans bathe more frequently? The Japanese must have very sensitive olfactory glads. No I had not heard of this.

[Oracle]

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Can you tell me if you have either a Cypriot ID or a Cypriot passport ??
The entire world recognises the island of Cyprus and its legal entity as that of a Cypriot nation. What the hell is it with you people who are in denial of our Cypriot ancestry and our Cypriot nationality.
I'm not , repeat not a bloody KALAMARAS , I'm a Cypriot above all else , you want to deny me my birthright by denigrating my devine right to be a national of my country of birth. I have nothing , I repeat nothing to be ashamed of being a Cypriot , you obviously are and Im certain that when asked of your nationality you stick your chest out and reply , Greek , well I dont mate I reply a Cypriot if pressed further to reveal if a G/C or a T/C then I repond by saying a G/C by default.
I love Greek music , I performed it professionaly , I love Greek food , I adore the reachness of the Greek language , the Greek glory of thousands of years ago , the contribution that Greece made to the world and the fact that our Western world civilization , democracy and culture IS a byproduct of the Greek civilization , but we are Greek Cypriots and the island of Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , all of them .

You posted in another thread that I'm "gullible" , let me assure that I'm no ones fool , I have never been a sucker and neither do I or anyone else considers me to an unsophisticated naive 63 year old.
What you failed to mention is that I'm a pragmatist and undeviatingly consistent with my support of the independence and territorial integrity of my nation which concurs in totality with the position of all International institutions.
ps. Your out of order with your comments concerning Bananiot , a man that I have met on 3 occasions and found him a solid respectable professional man who has my total respect.

but we are Greek Cypriots

That's what Mr akritas is saying, just like you said. We are not a separate entity, we are part of the Hellenic World as just like any other Hellen. As to that stupid word you keep using (KALAMARAS), I've never heard it myself, what does it mean?

Kalamaras is negative interpretation of a mainland Greek. Its not because mainland Greeks eat calamari and its not because the current PM is named Karamanlis. The origin of the word goes way back during the time when mainland Greeks were uprising against the Turks. Welcome to the world that i live in.

I thought it had more to do with the fact that the Greeks who were usually able to read and write were called Kalamarades by the illiterate Cypriots due to the squid ink or pens they used to write with.

Before GR jumps down my throat this was way after Chirokitia.

You are absolutely right, DT. Thats it exactly.

The reason why, is correct (relating to their literacy), but the moniker was given to the Greeks by the Ottoman Turks ... NOT the Cypriots.

The Cypriots (of the Miltiades-variety) who overtly feigned to Turks (and Brits), taking the "hospitality to xenous" a little too far, joined them in their put-downs of mainland Greeks.

Sad to say, Paphites were the worst, in the '60's, as my mother would testify

The Kalaramas term seems to be common amongst the uneducated and those that just do not know any better. It is an Ottoman Term and which has continued to this very day amongst the uneducated Stroumbian GCs. This seems to explain a lot...

I think it's a generational thing too (of Milty's genre) ... you don't hear it around Cyprus anymore ... since most Cypriots are now highly educated and a lot are graduates of Greek Universities ....

[Oracle]

Well ... I saved the life of a Turk

Bad Oracle!

nothing wrong with that. Have you saved the soul as well?

Are they born with souls?

(Phew there! ... back to normal! )

O is after our bodies, not our souls. So there.

Au contraire ... I have already said they smell of rancid oil

Actually, that may not be due to the kebabs, as I thought, since insan confessed to all the weird oils and potions he consumes.

Nothing wrong with moderation though. Especially with Ginger (gingerol,gingerone). Works wonders with the pulmonary system - vis a vis Asthma. Extract it in ethanol and try a little bit. Lovely drink too. (Medicinal purposes only).



All Cypriots smell the same. GCs with the additional Pork extracts. Now tell me that Pork doesnt stink.

Have a lovely day.

Actually lamb stinks worse ...

I eat crystallised ginger too, most days. It's really nice dropped in a cup of tea to savour at the end.

Anyway, have you heard that Japanese people can smell Europeans and hate sitting next to them on planes?

Might I suggest EUropeans bathe more frequently? The Japanese must have very sensitive olfactory glads. No I had not heard of this.

Yup an English colleague met with this unfortunate situation whilst going on a Conference to Japan ...

Sorry, but I am in ultra-spring-cleaning mode and I am "highly trained" to identify various species of bacteria by the smells they produce

[denizaksulu]

Well ... I saved the life of a Turk

Bad Oracle!

nothing wrong with that. Have you saved the soul as well?

Are they born with souls?

(Phew there! ... back to normal! )

O is after our bodies, not our souls. So there.

Au contraire ... I have already said they smell of rancid oil

Actually, that may not be due to the kebabs, as I thought, since insan confessed to all the weird oils and potions he consumes.

Nothing wrong with moderation though. Especially with Ginger (gingerol,gingerone). Works wonders with the pulmonary system - vis a vis Asthma. Extract it in ethanol and try a little bit. Lovely drink too. (Medicinal purposes only).



All Cypriots smell the same. GCs with the additional Pork extracts. Now tell me that Pork doesnt stink.

Have a lovely day.

Actually lamb stinks worse ...

I eat crystallised ginger too, most days. It's really nice dropped in a cup of tea to savour at the end.

Anyway, have you heard that Japanese people can smell Europeans and hate sitting next to them on planes?

Might I suggest EUropeans bathe more frequently? The Japanese must have very sensitive olfactory glads. No I had not heard of this.

Yup an English colleague met with this unfortunate situation whilst going on a Conference to Japan ...

Sorry, but I am in ultra-spring-cleaning mode and I am "highly trained" to identify various species of bacteria by the smells they produce

I hope that your nose is in top gear then.

[Jerry]

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Thicko! We want Turkey to want to join the EU. Once it loses the desire to get into Eurpoe the ROC will lose its leverage.

If Britain wanted to dehellenise Cyprus why was the island once offered to Greece.

Dude, i am no ones butt boy so don't approach me like that. If you have something to say, send me a message and we will go from there. I am not a blogger, if you disagree with what he stated then make a comment on his blog. I reproduced his article here because he makes some valid points. Okay?

Well I suggest you set out your posts in an orderly manner in future, I can't see where your quote begins and ends and it's not clear who you are quoting. I suggest you try using italics or the word quote in future.

I am not American and therefore not a dude, I suppose you could say I'm a bloke.

[Oracle]

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Thicko! We want Turkey to want to join the EU. Once it loses the desire to get into Eurpoe the ROC will lose its leverage.

If Britain wanted to dehellenise Cyprus why was the island once offered to Greece.

Of course there is a school of thought Jerry, and I have seen it argued both ways here on the forum, and if your mind was flexible enough to entertain other possibilities other than those fed by Bananiot ... it is just possible that because so many countries do not want Turkey in the EU, that the Cyprus problem remains unsolved because we have over-emphasised what a free-meal ticket solving the Cyprob would be, towards Turkey entering the EU.

Perhaps Jerry, we could explore the possibility further, that if Turkey received the boot sooner (to use Kifeas' expression), rather than later, from EU accession talks, we might then see an EU more prepared to help us, rather than allow a bit of Europe (i.e. north Cyprus), taken over by the Turks, whom they would rather have nowhere near the EU.

As for the long term wish of the Brits to de-Hellenise the island, that is also a strong possibility, and the one way "deal" which Britain tried to extract from Greece to join the War, had a lot of unsavoury connections. Why should Greece do a deal with the Brits, to get back its own territory and lose on other fronts? In hindsight it may have been a mistake ... but it's only Bananiot who capitalises on hindsight, for all it is worth!

[miltiades]

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Can you tell me if you have either a Cypriot ID or a Cypriot passport ??
The entire world recognises the island of Cyprus and its legal entity as that of a Cypriot nation. What the hell is it with you people who are in denial of our Cypriot ancestry and our Cypriot nationality.
I'm not , repeat not a bloody KALAMARAS , I'm a Cypriot above all else , you want to deny me my birthright by denigrating my devine right to be a national of my country of birth. I have nothing , I repeat nothing to be ashamed of being a Cypriot , you obviously are and Im certain that when asked of your nationality you stick your chest out and reply , Greek , well I dont mate I reply a Cypriot if pressed further to reveal if a G/C or a T/C then I repond by saying a G/C by default.
I love Greek music , I performed it professionaly , I love Greek food , I adore the reachness of the Greek language , the Greek glory of thousands of years ago , the contribution that Greece made to the world and the fact that our Western world civilization , democracy and culture IS a byproduct of the Greek civilization , but we are Greek Cypriots and the island of Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , all of them .

You posted in another thread that I'm "gullible" , let me assure that I'm no ones fool , I have never been a sucker and neither do I or anyone else considers me to an unsophisticated naive 63 year old.
What you failed to mention is that I'm a pragmatist and undeviatingly consistent with my support of the independence and territorial integrity of my nation which concurs in totality with the position of all International institutions.
ps. Your out of order with your comments concerning Bananiot , a man that I have met on 3 occasions and found him a solid respectable professional man who has my total respect.

but we are Greek Cypriots

That's what Mr akritas is saying, just like you said. We are not a separate entity, we are part of the Hellenic World as just like any other Hellen. As to that stupid word you keep using (KALAMARAS), I've never heard it myself, what does it mean?

Kalamaras is negative interpretation of a mainland Greek. Its not because mainland Greeks eat calamari and its not because the current PM is named Karamanlis. The origin of the word goes way back during the time when mainland Greeks were uprising against the Turks. Welcome to the world that i live in.

I thought it had more to do with the fact that the Greeks who were usually able to read and write were called Kalamarades by the illiterate Cypriots due to the squid ink or pens they used to write with.

Before GR jumps down my throat this was way after Chirokitia.

You are absolutely right, DT. Thats it exactly.

The reason why, is correct (relating to their literacy), but the moniker was given to the Greeks by the Ottoman Turks ... NOT the Cypriots.

The Cypriots (of the Miltiades-variety) who overtly feigned to Turks (and Brits), taking the "hospitality to xenous" a little too far, joined them in their put-downs of mainland Greeks.

Sad to say, Paphites were the worst, in the '60's, as my mother would testify

The Kalaramas term seems to be common amongst the uneducated and those that just do not know any better. It is an Ottoman Term and which has continued to this very day amongst the uneducated Stroumbian GCs. This seems to explain a lot...

The Greeks , the "educated ones" referred to the Cypriots as" ta gaidouria" .
DT , I think it was who said the Greeks dont give a shit about the Cypriots well let me correct him the Greeks dont give a shit about the Greeks !!

As for our "compatriot" Paphitis who is more Greek than the Greeks all that I can say is that he talks a load of bull , the Ottomans called the Greeks "Giaours " not Kalamarades .
I accept that my generation was more likely to refer to the Greeks as Kalamaras than perhaps the modern generation . I dont think is anymore a derogatory remark than calling an African black !
ps. Paphitis do please tell us what is your definition of an educated Cypriot , would it be one that absorbs the bullshit that you post in support of war against Turkey or the other more potent nonsense on turning the North part of Cyprus into a charcoal grey colour.
What a Plonker !!

[Oracle]

The Greeks , the "educated ones" referred to the Cypriots as" ta gaidouria" .
DT , I think it was who said the Greeks dont give a shit about the Cypriots well let me correct him the Greeks dont give a shit about the Greeks !!

As for our "compatriot" Paphitis who is more Greek than the Greeks all that I can say is that he talks a load of bull , the Ottomans called the Greeks "Giaours " not Kalamarades .
I accept that my generation was more likely to refer to the Greeks as Kalamaras than perhaps the modern generation . I dont think is anymore a derogatory remark than calling an African black !
ps. Paphitis do please tell us what is your definition of an educated Cypriot , would it be one that absorbs the bullshit that you post in support of war against Turkey or the other more potent nonsense on turning the North part of Cyprus into a charcoal grey colour.
What a Plonker !!

Perhaps what you don't understand agapi mou, is that the Greeks allow a certain amount of autonomy to all their constituent territories, and have always done so. Hence they will not come and help you free yourself from the Turks, but they will provide confidence, instruction and leverage in the background ... and all you have to do is believe in the Hellenic ideal, which in the last few Centuries has come to mean freedom from the Turkish yoke.

Until you grow up enough to realise that it will not happen until you fall back on your true identity ... then we are stuck with Turks, whilst the rest of our Greek brothers look on and see if we are Worthy to be part of the EU-Hellenic world, which frankly 90% of the Ox-Bridge educated classes would give up their Bede's History of the English People to be a part of!

Now buck up and act like the EU-Greek you know you are!

[insan]

Educated Ottomans and the current Turks of Turkey/TCs called/call Greeks living outside of Turkey and Cyprus as Greek(Yunanlı) and those who live in Turkey as Rum. Only uneducated TCs call GCs as giavour(gavur). Uneducated Turks in Turkey call non-muslims as giavour. I have no idea how all other Turks call Greeks.