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[miltiades]

Where I come from , Stroumbi The Great !!, we called the mainland Greeks "Kalamarades" but usually preceded by a less than a complimentary noun !!!

I have absolutely nothing against either the Greeks of Greece or any other Greek but I will defend where ever I'm the right of the Cypriot people to be first and foremost Cypriots. Neither the Greek flag nor the Turkish one have a place in Cyprus , we have our own flag its the one that the EU recognises as the Cyprus flag , which does not scream out the divisiveness that engulfs our people on the contrary it should be a common denominator for all Cypriots.
The occupied part is covered in Turkish flags , not least the monstrosity on a Cypriot mountain.
An ever increasing number of T/Cs are becoming critical of this outrageously intimidating and obscene display.

[DT.]

Where I come from , Stroumbi The Great !!, we called the mainland Greeks "Kalamarades" but usually preceded by a less than a complimentary noun !!!

I have absolutely nothing against either the Greeks of Greece or any other Greek but I will defend where ever I'm the right of the Cypriot people to be first and foremost Cypriots. Neither the Greek flag nor the Turkish one have a place in Cyprus , we have our own flag its the one that the EU recognises as the Cyprus flag , which does not scream out the divisiveness that engulfs our people on the contrary it should be a common denominator for all Cypriots.
The occupied part is covered in Turkish flags , not least the monstrosity on a Cypriot mountain.
An ever increasing number of T/Cs are becoming critical of this outrageously intimidating and obscene display.

Milt, its usually not the Greeks putting up Greek flags over here. Its the Cypriots. If there's anyone you should be attaching that less than complimentary noun its to P.....Kypraious.

The Greeks couldn't give a rats arse about you or anyone else in Cyprus so lay off the insults.

[Oracle]

Well ... I saved the life of a Turk

Bad Oracle!

nothing wrong with that. Have you saved the soul as well?

Are they born with souls?

(Phew there! ... back to normal! )

[Oracle]

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Can you tell me if you have either a Cypriot ID or a Cypriot passport ??
The entire world recognises the island of Cyprus and its legal entity as that of a Cypriot nation. What the hell is it with you people who are in denial of our Cypriot ancestry and our Cypriot nationality.
I'm not , repeat not a bloody KALAMARAS , I'm a Cypriot above all else , you want to deny me my birthright by denigrating my devine right to be a national of my country of birth. I have nothing , I repeat nothing to be ashamed of being a Cypriot , you obviously are and Im certain that when asked of your nationality you stick your chest out and reply , Greek , well I dont mate I reply a Cypriot if pressed further to reveal if a G/C or a T/C then I repond by saying a G/C by default.
I love Greek music , I performed it professionaly , I love Greek food , I adore the reachness of the Greek language , the Greek glory of thousands of years ago , the contribution that Greece made to the world and the fact that our Western world civilization , democracy and culture IS a byproduct of the Greek civilization , but we are Greek Cypriots and the island of Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , all of them .

You posted in another thread that I'm "gullible" , let me assure that I'm no ones fool , I have never been a sucker and neither do I or anyone else considers me to an unsophisticated naive 63 year old.
What you failed to mention is that I'm a pragmatist and undeviatingly consistent with my support of the independence and territorial integrity of my nation which concurs in totality with the position of all International institutions.
ps. Your out of order with your comments concerning Bananiot , a man that I have met on 3 occasions and found him a solid respectable professional man who has my total respect.

but we are Greek Cypriots

That's what Mr akritas is saying, just like you said. We are not a separate entity, we are part of the Hellenic World as just like any other Hellen. As to that stupid word you keep using (KALAMARAS), I've never heard it myself, what does it mean?

Kalamaras is negative interpretation of a mainland Greek. Its not because mainland Greeks eat calamari and its not because the current PM is named Karamanlis. The origin of the word goes way back during the time when mainland Greeks were uprising against the Turks. Welcome to the world that i live in.

I thought it had more to do with the fact that the Greeks who were usually able to read and write were called Kalamarades by the illiterate Cypriots due to the squid ink or pens they used to write with.

Before GR jumps down my throat this was way after Chirokitia.

You are absolutely right, DT. Thats it exactly.

The reason why, is correct (relating to their literacy), but the moniker was given to the Greeks by the Ottoman Turks ... NOT the Cypriots.

The Cypriots (of the Miltiades-variety) who overtly feigned to Turks (and Brits), taking the "hospitality to xenous" a little too far, joined them in their put-downs of mainland Greeks.

Sad to say, Paphites were the worst, in the '60's, as my mother would testify

[denizaksulu]

Well ... I saved the life of a Turk

Bad Oracle!

nothing wrong with that. Have you saved the soul as well?

Are they born with souls?

(Phew there! ... back to normal! )

O is after our bodies, not our souls. So there.

[Oracle]

Well ... I saved the life of a Turk

Bad Oracle!

nothing wrong with that. Have you saved the soul as well?

Are they born with souls?

(Phew there! ... back to normal! )

O is after our bodies, not our souls. So there.

Au contraire ... I have already said they smell of rancid oil

Actually, that may not be due to the kebabs, as I thought, since insan confessed to all the weird oils and potions he consumes.

[CBBB]

Well ... I saved the life of a Turk

Bad Oracle!

nothing wrong with that. Have you saved the soul as well?

Are they born with souls?

(Phew there! ... back to normal! )

O is after our bodies, not our souls. So there.

Deniz, be afraid, very afraid!!!!

[denizaksulu]

Well ... I saved the life of a Turk

Bad Oracle!

nothing wrong with that. Have you saved the soul as well?

Are they born with souls?

(Phew there! ... back to normal! )

O is after our bodies, not our souls. So there.

Au contraire ... I have already said they smell of rancid oil

Actually, that may not be due to the kebabs, as I thought, since insan confessed to all the weird oils and potions he consumes.

Nothing wrong with moderation though. Especially with Ginger (gingerol,gingerone). Works wonders with the pulmonary system - vis a vis Asthma. Extract it in ethanol and try a little bit. Lovely drink too. (Medicinal purposes only).



All Cypriots smell the same. GCs with the additional Pork extracts. Now tell me that Pork doesnt stink.

Have a lovely day.

[Oracle]

Well ... I saved the life of a Turk

Bad Oracle!

nothing wrong with that. Have you saved the soul as well?

Are they born with souls?

(Phew there! ... back to normal! )

O is after our bodies, not our souls. So there.

Au contraire ... I have already said they smell of rancid oil

Actually, that may not be due to the kebabs, as I thought, since insan confessed to all the weird oils and potions he consumes.

Nothing wrong with moderation though. Especially with Ginger (gingerol,gingerone). Works wonders with the pulmonary system - vis a vis Asthma. Extract it in ethanol and try a little bit. Lovely drink too. (Medicinal purposes only).



All Cypriots smell the same. GCs with the additional Pork extracts. Now tell me that Pork doesnt stink.

Have a lovely day.

Actually lamb stinks worse ...

I eat crystallised ginger too, most days. It's really nice dropped in a cup of tea to savour at the end.

Anyway, have you heard that Japanese people can smell Europeans and hate sitting next to them on planes?

[Paphitis]

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Can you tell me if you have either a Cypriot ID or a Cypriot passport ??
The entire world recognises the island of Cyprus and its legal entity as that of a Cypriot nation. What the hell is it with you people who are in denial of our Cypriot ancestry and our Cypriot nationality.
I'm not , repeat not a bloody KALAMARAS , I'm a Cypriot above all else , you want to deny me my birthright by denigrating my devine right to be a national of my country of birth. I have nothing , I repeat nothing to be ashamed of being a Cypriot , you obviously are and Im certain that when asked of your nationality you stick your chest out and reply , Greek , well I dont mate I reply a Cypriot if pressed further to reveal if a G/C or a T/C then I repond by saying a G/C by default.
I love Greek music , I performed it professionaly , I love Greek food , I adore the reachness of the Greek language , the Greek glory of thousands of years ago , the contribution that Greece made to the world and the fact that our Western world civilization , democracy and culture IS a byproduct of the Greek civilization , but we are Greek Cypriots and the island of Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , all of them .

You posted in another thread that I'm "gullible" , let me assure that I'm no ones fool , I have never been a sucker and neither do I or anyone else considers me to an unsophisticated naive 63 year old.
What you failed to mention is that I'm a pragmatist and undeviatingly consistent with my support of the independence and territorial integrity of my nation which concurs in totality with the position of all International institutions.
ps. Your out of order with your comments concerning Bananiot , a man that I have met on 3 occasions and found him a solid respectable professional man who has my total respect.

but we are Greek Cypriots

That's what Mr akritas is saying, just like you said. We are not a separate entity, we are part of the Hellenic World as just like any other Hellen. As to that stupid word you keep using (KALAMARAS), I've never heard it myself, what does it mean?

Kalamaras is negative interpretation of a mainland Greek. Its not because mainland Greeks eat calamari and its not because the current PM is named Karamanlis. The origin of the word goes way back during the time when mainland Greeks were uprising against the Turks. Welcome to the world that i live in.

I thought it had more to do with the fact that the Greeks who were usually able to read and write were called Kalamarades by the illiterate Cypriots due to the squid ink or pens they used to write with.

Before GR jumps down my throat this was way after Chirokitia.

You are absolutely right, DT. Thats it exactly.

The reason why, is correct (relating to their literacy), but the moniker was given to the Greeks by the Ottoman Turks ... NOT the Cypriots.

The Cypriots (of the Miltiades-variety) who overtly feigned to Turks (and Brits), taking the "hospitality to xenous" a little too far, joined them in their put-downs of mainland Greeks.

Sad to say, Paphites were the worst, in the '60's, as my mother would testify

The Kalaramas term seems to be common amongst the uneducated and those that just do not know any better. It is an Ottoman Term and which has continued to this very day amongst the uneducated Stroumbian GCs. This seems to explain a lot...