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[Byron]

As an example, the Kingdom of Macedonia was a distinct kingdom from Greece yet later when Alexander the Great amalgamated them, it was the Greeks who claimed ancestry to Alexander because Greece grew stronger over the centuries, retained some of the former Macedonian land, and were able to dig up and present artifacts as their own! Such border shifting was very common in the past and proved very convenient for some who later found themselves in a position and at the right time to officially write history.

What are you talking about, a couple of centuries later Greece was conquered by Rome; how is that Greece growing stronger over the centuries? Even the Romans knew Alexander was Greek! Alexander stated himself that he was Greek! Again I ask you, if the Macedonians were different, why didn't Alexander spread Macedonian culture and language rather than Greek? Why is this period known as Hellenistic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_civilization

Alexander was born in a kingdom that had no relation to Greece until later when he himself united them. In other words, when he was born his birth occurred on non-Greek territory.

Anyway, the constant resizing of kingdoms and shifting of borders made it convenient much later for some to make certain historical claims and/or chide others.

Get Real! - I am asking this out of sheer curiosity, no disrespect: On the average, it seems that you have written 17 posts on ths forum for every single day of your life since you joined roughly two years ago. Are you unemployed? Do you get paid to write here? What is the story?

I think you have a very good point here about GR and I would add the so called friends of GR who write non stop all day on this forum , mostly repetitive vulgar garbage.

Either they are paid, unemployed or retired.

But surely being one of those things is better than being a plonker!

so GR is a plonker, what kind of job is that ?

In English slang, to plonk' means 'to shell' (military). So the Plonker GR is merely 'shelling' us with his Chiroikhitian humour.

Thanks for the explanation. You learn something everyday. So in reality either GR does not have a job or is a professional "plonker" or a chiroikhitan forum poster.

....but does not a successful businessman know of the art of delegation?

So GR is a successful entrepreneur, do me a favour !!!

Dont let him fool you.

He is just a GREEK in disguise !

[SN2]

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Thicko! We want Turkey to want to join the EU. Once it loses the desire to get into Eurpoe the ROC will lose its leverage.

If Britain wanted to dehellenise Cyprus why was the island once offered to Greece.

UK wanted to lure Greece to enter war 1918
Second time Cyprus was offered to Greece was with Acherson plan B whereby Kastelorizo would be ceeded to Turkey in return of full union of Cyprus with Greece.

Both offers were rejected from Greece before Turkey even answered.Why???

Dehellenizing Cyprus would be a dream.The GC's still believe the have something "Greek" inside them.Hellenism achieved its objective in Cyprus

[Oracle]

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Thicko! We want Turkey to want to join the EU. Once it loses the desire to get into Eurpoe the ROC will lose its leverage.

If Britain wanted to dehellenise Cyprus why was the island once offered to Greece.

UK wanted to lure Greece to enter war 1918
Second time Cyprus was offered to Greece was with Acherson plan B whereby Kastelorizo would be ceeded to Turkey in return of full union of Cyprus with Greece.

Both offers were rejected from Greece before Turkey even answered.Why???

Dehellenizing Cyprus would be a dream.The GC's still believe the have something "Greek" inside them.Hellenism achieved its objective in Cyprus

Proof that Greece respected the Independence and Self-Determination Rights of Cyprus ... something no one else seems to appreciate!

And yet the Turk-TCs still use Greece as an excuse for keeping Turkey here ...

Thanks for pointing-out this anomaly of the stupid Turks, SN2

[Piratis]

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Thicko! We want Turkey to want to join the EU. Once it loses the desire to get into Eurpoe the ROC will lose its leverage.

If Britain wanted to dehellenise Cyprus why was the island once offered to Greece.

UK wanted to lure Greece to enter war 1918
Second time Cyprus was offered to Greece was with Acherson plan B whereby Kastelorizo would be ceeded to Turkey in return of full union of Cyprus with Greece.

Both offers were rejected from Greece before Turkey even answered.Why???

Dehellenizing Cyprus would be a dream.The GC's still believe the have something "Greek" inside them.Hellenism achieved its objective in Cyprus

Hellenism achieved its objective in Cyprus 3500 years ago. We are as much Greek as any other Greek. If you disagree with me, then tell me what is the difference between Cyprus and Crete, Rhodes or any other Greek island, apart from the fact that our freedom and self-determination was denied to us by foreign Imperialists.

And why should Greece give up Kastelorizo to take Cyprus? Why not just let the people of Kastelorizo and the people of Cyprus to decide themselves what they want for their own islands?

[SN2]

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Thicko! We want Turkey to want to join the EU. Once it loses the desire to get into Eurpoe the ROC will lose its leverage.

If Britain wanted to dehellenise Cyprus why was the island once offered to Greece.

UK wanted to lure Greece to enter war 1918
Second time Cyprus was offered to Greece was with Acherson plan B whereby Kastelorizo would be ceeded to Turkey in return of full union of Cyprus with Greece.

Both offers were rejected from Greece before Turkey even answered.Why???

Dehellenizing Cyprus would be a dream.The GC's still believe the have something "Greek" inside them.Hellenism achieved its objective in Cyprus

Proof that Greece respected the Independence and Self-Determination Rights of Cyprus ... something no one else seems to appreciate!

And yet the Turk-TCs still use Greece as an excuse for keeping Turkey here ...

Thanks for pointing-out this anomaly of the stupid Turks, SN2

As if Greece actually cared about Self-determination of rights of Cyprus.

Papandreou rejected a union with Cyprus before even Turkey responded.Why?

Just to use Cyprus as a diplomatic card in future and ad infinitum.

[SN2]

Hellenism achieved its objective in Cyprus 3500 years ago. We are as much Greek as any other Greek. If you disagree with me, then tell me what is the difference between Cyprus and Crete, Rhodes or any other Greek island, apart from the fact that our freedom and self-determination was denied to us by foreign Imperialists. And why should Greece give up Kastelorizo to take Cyprus? Why not just let the people of Kastelorizo and the people of Cyprus to decide themselves what they want for their own islands?

U mean Greek as in a completely bastardized nation whereby thoughts and ideas of megalomania about an ancient civilization past complete the delusional psychosis of modern Hellenes???


Let's not forget that Greece is on of the Imperialists that denied ur Freedom.

Greece was is and will remain guilty for the division of Cyprus,

Greece was is and will remain guilty for making Cypriot ppl suffer throughout last century.

[Piratis]

Hellenism achieved its objective in Cyprus 3500 years ago. We are as much Greek as any other Greek. If you disagree with me, then tell me what is the difference between Cyprus and Crete, Rhodes or any other Greek island, apart from the fact that our freedom and self-determination was denied to us by foreign Imperialists. And why should Greece give up Kastelorizo to take Cyprus? Why not just let the people of Kastelorizo and the people of Cyprus to decide themselves what they want for their own islands?

U mean Greek as in a completely bastardized nation whereby thoughts and ideas of megalomania about an ancient civilization past complete the delusional psychosis of modern Hellenes???


Let's not forget that Greece is on of the Imperialists that denied ur Freedom.

Greece was is and will remain guilty for the division of Cyprus,

Greece was is and will remain guilty for making Cypriot ppl suffer throughout last century.

As usual, lots of bullshit from you, and unable to even try to answer the question I asked you.

Greeks are as "bastardized" as any other ethnic group, except maybe some people trapped in remote locations that nobody else would want to live there (say Iceland). Certainly not any more bastardized than the Turks, who don't even look East Asian as the original Turks, or the English, who are a a mix of Anglo Saxons, Celts etc, and more recently lots of Africans and Asians of all kinds.

Greece denied nothing to Cyprus. It is the British and Turkish imperialists who denied to the Cypriot people their right to choose what they want for their own island.

[SN2]

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Greece denied nothing to Cyprus. It is the British and Turkish imperialists who denied to the Cypriot people their right to choose what they want for their own island.

And again the same pro hellenic bullshit from you.

Greece denied nothing??Yes nothing apart freedom.

If it wasnt for Greece's thirst for expansion now maybe ur country would be free.The Junda provoked a just reaction from Turkey.

geopolitics at the time allowed junta to think and try to annex Cyprus.It failed miserably and today u see the Kerinia me ta kialia kai apo makria....poly makria k etsi tha sinehistei...

Na zisei i Ellada loipon na tin xairese

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Greece denied nothing to Cyprus. It is the British and Turkish imperialists who denied to the Cypriot people their right to choose what they want for their own island.

And again the same pro hellenic bullshit from you.

Greece denied nothing??Yes nothing apart freedom.

If it wasnt for Greece's thirst for expansion now maybe ur country would be free.The Junda provoked a just reaction from Turkey.

geopolitics at the time allowed junta to think and try to annex Cyprus.It failed miserably and today u see the Kerinia me ta kialia kai apo makria....poly makria k etsi tha sinehistei...

Na zisei i Ellada loipon na tin xairese

Been out demonstrating against police lately? DO you find that since you lost your job your anger for the govt has grown? DId you celebrate when they shot 2 policemen the other day? Do you wear T-shirts that say ACAB on them? Do you wish you had enough money to travel to London for the G20 demo's.

Did you steal the laptop or are you in an internet cafe?

I think I know who you are.

...if only Bananiot was 40 years younger...he'd be right there with you.

[EPSILON]

If Britain wanted to dehellenise Cyprus why was the island once offered to Greece.

Reply: If Turkey had interests / wanted Cyprus, why they sold Cyprus to British?