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[Oracle]

Did Homer write the Iliads Odyssey as a fable?

Who was Homer? Do you know Homer? What does it matter what he/she was called. Someone (one/group) wrote the Iliad & Odyssey, and he/she/they are labelled 'Homer'. The nutrients are in the banana, not the skin, and you cannot escape from the rich descriptions of life at that time contained therein the books.

The author George Eliot was a woman; others wrote 'anon' ....

[denizaksulu]

Whether Homer wrote the Odyssey as a fable or not is not really the point den and I still think that you do not understand what I am saying.

The point is, Alexander believed Achilles to have been a real Greek hero (as did his parents and in fact most Greeks at that time) and he believed he descended from him. In fact Alexander idolised Achilles. We know it to be a fairytale today but that is not the point. You have to understand it in its context. This is clear evidence that Alexander believed himself to be Greek. My previous post outlining all the evidence I gave was originally in response to GR, who stated that the Macedonian kingdom had nothing to do with Greece. I have clearly provided enough evidence to debunk that myth.

Now I think I will become the dvils advocate:

How reliable are those biographers of Alexs life? Doesnt anyone question them?

Is there a possibility that they may have 'invented' these attributes to Alex's ancestors?

Look at Greek Mythology and think about the authors of these. Are they also capable of 'inventing' a bloodline to the old Greek heroes?

Isnt it just possible that they have 'hi-jacked Alex as a Greek Hero themselves?

These are af few questions that come to mind, perhaps the answers are out there somewhere.

Now back to my Salmon.

No Oracle, I do not fry my fish.

[Oracle]

Whether Homer wrote the Odyssey as a fable or not is not really the point den and I still think that you do not understand what I am saying.

The point is, Alexander believed Achilles to have been a real Greek hero (as did his parents and in fact most Greeks at that time) and he believed he descended from him. In fact Alexander idolised Achilles. We know it to be a fairytale today but that is not the point. You have to understand it in its context. This is clear evidence that Alexander believed himself to be Greek. My previous post outlining all the evidence I gave was originally in response to GR, who stated that the Macedonian kingdom had nothing to do with Greece. I have clearly provided enough evidence to debunk that myth.

Now I think I will become the dvils advocate:

How reliable are those biographers of Alexs life? Doesnt anyone question them?

Is there a possibility that theymay have 'invented' these attributes to Alex's ancestors?

Look at Greek Mythology and think about the authors of these. Are they also capable of 'inventing' a bloodline to the old Greek heroes?

Isnt it just possible that they have 'hi-jacked Alex as a Greek Hero themselves?

These are af ew questions that come to mind, perhaps the answers are out there somewhere.

Now back to my Salmon.

No Oracle, I do not ry my fish.

Frying fish phraseology ... a myth I surrounded you with

Anyway, now you need a virtual slap on the cheek as you are getting hysterical (fish-slapping dance anyone?).

You are assuming too much. You are assuming that the people back then, knew that the Greeks would have acquired so much importance in the distant future, that a 'grand theory' had to be prepared and fulfilled with enough embellishments and flourish to keep future forumers asking endless questions in a network of conspiracies to doubt the very foundations of all western civilisation ...

... and what is more ... doubted by a Turk at that ... a concept which had not even been invented then!

[Simon]

den,

The point is your speculation carries no weight because it is based on very little (if any) evidence to support it. It is merely a conspiracy theory with no evidence. Of course people question like you have, experts have spent years studying Alexander, like the Oxford historian Robin Lane Foxe, as I mentioned earlier. Historians doubt whether Homer was a real person; a perfect example of the experts questioning. The evidence that Alexander was Greek is compelling.

Now, of course, anything is possible. It is possible that Julius Caesar didn't exist. It is possible that the Roman Empire was a fraud, just like the Greek civilisation before it. It is possible Jesus didn't exist. It is possible that Climate Change is not man made. Some argue that it is even possible that we are not real! Anything is possible, and you can speculate forever. However, history is mapped out by the evidence available to us. People who want to be taken seriously are guided by evidence and not speculation.

[denizaksulu]

Whether Homer wrote the Odyssey as a fable or not is not really the point den and I still think that you do not understand what I am saying.

The point is, Alexander believed Achilles to have been a real Greek hero (as did his parents and in fact most Greeks at that time) and he believed he descended from him. In fact Alexander idolised Achilles. We know it to be a fairytale today but that is not the point. You have to understand it in its context. This is clear evidence that Alexander believed himself to be Greek. My previous post outlining all the evidence I gave was originally in response to GR, who stated that the Macedonian kingdom had nothing to do with Greece. I have clearly provided enough evidence to debunk that myth.

Now I think I will become the dvils advocate:

How reliable are those biographers of Alexs life? Doesnt anyone question them?

Is there a possibility that theymay have 'invented' these attributes to Alex's ancestors?

Look at Greek Mythology and think about the authors of these. Are they also capable of 'inventing' a bloodline to the old Greek heroes?

Isnt it just possible that they have 'hi-jacked Alex as a Greek Hero themselves?

These are af ew questions that come to mind, perhaps the answers are out there somewhere.

Now back to my Salmon.

No Oracle, I do not ry my fish.

Frying fish phraseology ... a myth I surrounded you with

Anyway, now you need a virtual slap on the cheek as you are getting hysterical (fish-slapping dance anyone?).

You are assuming too much. You are assuming that the people back then, knew that the Greeks would have acquired so much importance in the distant future, that a 'grand theory' had to be prepared and fulfilled with enough embellishments and flourish to keep future forumers asking endless questions in a network of conspiracies to doubt the very foundations of all western civilisation ...

... and what is more ... doubted by a Turk at that ... a concept which had not even been invented then!

Bamboozling as ever with pretty sentences.

You are wrong Oracle.

I am aware of the great contribution of the ancient Greeks to civilisation. Because I ask a few questions does not mean my denial. Me being a Turkish Cypriot is merely cincidental. Perhaps even GR may have asked similar questions too, but no 'Turk' should. (your words not mine)

[denizaksulu]

den,

The point is your speculation carries no weight because it is based on very little (if any) evidence to support it. It is merely a conspiracy theory with no evidence. Of course people question like you have, experts have spent years studying Alexander, like the Oxford historian Robin Lane Foxe, as I mentioned earlier. Historians doubt whether Homer was a real person; a perfect example of the experts questioning. The evidence that Alexander was Greek is compelling.

Now, of course, anything is possible. It is possible that Julius Caesar didn't exist. It is possible that the Roman Empire was a fraud, just like the Greek civilisation before it. It is possible Jesus didn't exist. It is possible that Climate Change is not man made. Some argue that it is even possible that we are not real! Anything is possible, and you can speculate forever. However, history is mapped out by the evidence available to us. People who want to be taken seriously are guided by evidence and not speculation.

Now you are being silly. You said ask and I have. You seem to like the word speculation. I am not claiming anything.

[Oracle]

Whether Homer wrote the Odyssey as a fable or not is not really the point den and I still think that you do not understand what I am saying.

The point is, Alexander believed Achilles to have been a real Greek hero (as did his parents and in fact most Greeks at that time) and he believed he descended from him. In fact Alexander idolised Achilles. We know it to be a fairytale today but that is not the point. You have to understand it in its context. This is clear evidence that Alexander believed himself to be Greek. My previous post outlining all the evidence I gave was originally in response to GR, who stated that the Macedonian kingdom had nothing to do with Greece. I have clearly provided enough evidence to debunk that myth.

Now I think I will become the dvils advocate:

How reliable are those biographers of Alexs life? Doesnt anyone question them?

Is there a possibility that theymay have 'invented' these attributes to Alex's ancestors?

Look at Greek Mythology and think about the authors of these. Are they also capable of 'inventing' a bloodline to the old Greek heroes?

Isnt it just possible that they have 'hi-jacked Alex as a Greek Hero themselves?

These are af ew questions that come to mind, perhaps the answers are out there somewhere.

Now back to my Salmon.

No Oracle, I do not ry my fish.

Frying fish phraseology ... a myth I surrounded you with

Anyway, now you need a virtual slap on the cheek as you are getting hysterical (fish-slapping dance anyone?).

You are assuming too much. You are assuming that the people back then, knew that the Greeks would have acquired so much importance in the distant future, that a 'grand theory' had to be prepared and fulfilled with enough embellishments and flourish to keep future forumers asking endless questions in a network of conspiracies to doubt the very foundations of all western civilisation ...

... and what is more ... doubted by a Turk at that ... a concept which had not even been invented then!

Bamboozling as ever with pretty sentences.

You are wrong Oracle.

I am aware of the great contribution of the ancient Greeks to civilisation. Because I ask a few questions does not mean my denial. Me being a Turkish Cypriot is merely cincidental. Perhaps even GR may have asked similar questions too, but no 'Turk' should. (your words not mine)

Sorry, that throwaway remark was a bit Roman too much Augustus rubble rousing rhetoric to rile you as much as that metaphorical slap I was requesting!

Effective I see ... you are back to 'normal' ....

[Simon]

What I said was if you have arguments and evidence that disprove anything I have said, provide them. If you want factual information, then I can help provide it, but your questions are silly because anything is possible.

You are being silly by asking stupid speculative questions, implying something that you have no evidence for, and simply invite further groundless speculation. Silly questions like, is this or that possible? Or has anybody questioned the biographers? What do you think the experts do?

The evidence is there, go and look for it.

[denizaksulu]

Whether Homer wrote the Odyssey as a fable or not is not really the point den and I still think that you do not understand what I am saying.

The point is, Alexander believed Achilles to have been a real Greek hero (as did his parents and in fact most Greeks at that time) and he believed he descended from him. In fact Alexander idolised Achilles. We know it to be a fairytale today but that is not the point. You have to understand it in its context. This is clear evidence that Alexander believed himself to be Greek. My previous post outlining all the evidence I gave was originally in response to GR, who stated that the Macedonian kingdom had nothing to do with Greece. I have clearly provided enough evidence to debunk that myth.

Now I think I will become the dvils advocate:

How reliable are those biographers of Alexs life? Doesnt anyone question them?

Is there a possibility that theymay have 'invented' these attributes to Alex's ancestors?

Look at Greek Mythology and think about the authors of these. Are they also capable of 'inventing' a bloodline to the old Greek heroes?

Isnt it just possible that they have 'hi-jacked Alex as a Greek Hero themselves?

These are af ew questions that come to mind, perhaps the answers are out there somewhere.

Now back to my Salmon.

No Oracle, I do not ry my fish.

Frying fish phraseology ... a myth I surrounded you with

Anyway, now you need a virtual slap on the cheek as you are getting hysterical (fish-slapping dance anyone?).

You are assuming too much. You are assuming that the people back then, knew that the Greeks would have acquired so much importance in the distant future, that a 'grand theory' had to be prepared and fulfilled with enough embellishments and flourish to keep future forumers asking endless questions in a network of conspiracies to doubt the very foundations of all western civilisation ...

... and what is more ... doubted by a Turk at that ... a concept which had not even been invented then!

Bamboozling as ever with pretty sentences.

You are wrong Oracle.

I am aware of the great contribution of the ancient Greeks to civilisation. Because I ask a few questions does not mean my denial. Me being a Turkish Cypriot is merely cincidental. Perhaps even GR may have asked similar questions too, but no 'Turk' should. (your words not mine)

Sorry, that throwaway remark was a bit Roman too much Augustus rubble rousing rhetoric to rile you as much as that metaphorical slap I was requesting!

Effective I see ... you are back to 'normal' ....

Me, normal? facing you?Impossible. You drive me nuts.

[denizaksulu]

What I said was if you have arguments and evidence that disprove anything I have said, provide them. If you want factual information, then I can help provide it, but your questions are silly because anything is possible.

You are being silly by asking stupid speculative questions, implying something that you have no evidence for, and simply invite further groundless speculation. Silly questions like, is this or that possible? Or has anybody questioned the biographers? What do you think the experts do?

The evidence is there, go and look for it.

OK, you give up. Sorry to exhaust you. Now you sound like GR.