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[Get Real!]

Do you actually understand what you read?

"While the earliest examples dating from as early as 1500 BCE cannot be read, comparisons clearly show that the Cypriot syllabary seemed to have derived from Linear A, and therefore is like a sibling to Linear B. For this reason, sometimes the script at this very early stage is called Cypro-Minoan, to distinguish it from the Cypriot script used for writing Greek after the 12th century BCE."

[Simon]

GR,

I don't really understand what you are trying to say. What you posted originally is not an ancient Cypriot alphabet as you claimed, but the ancient Cypriot syllabary. It seems that this derived from Linear A, which is Minoan. It is very similar to Linear B, which is an early form of Mycenaean Greek. The Cypro-Minoan syllabary evolved into the Cypriot Syllabary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_B

(About Cypriot syllabary) "It is descended from the Cypro-Minoan syllabary, in turn a variant or derivative of Linear A".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_syllabary


Like I said, I don't really see what any of this has to do with Cyprus being Greek for thousands of years in any event. Cyprus has an ancient script which predates Greek, so what? Crete had the Minoan Civilisation. I don't really see what your point is.

[yialousa1971]

Do you actually understand what you read?

"While the earliest examples dating from as early as 1500 BCE cannot be read, comparisons clearly show that the Cypriot syllabary seemed to have derived from Linear A, and therefore is like a sibling to Linear B. For this reason, sometimes the script at this very early stage is called Cypro-Minoan, to distinguish it from the Cypriot script used for writing Greek after the 12th century BCE."

Well what are you saying, you've said many things here like this>

And btw, the Minoan civilization was not Greek or had anything to do with Greeks, and existed way before anything "Greek" began.

That Greece has stolen the credit for many things Cypriot is a well known fact… the oldest known civilization in the entire region is that of the Choirokitians yet the Greeks want to come and tell us that we originated from them! Go figure...

The above is meaning less, garbage at that.

[Get Real!]

I don't really understand what you are trying to say. What you posted originally is not an ancient Cypriot alphabet as you claimed, but the ancient Cypriot syllabary. It seems that this derived from Linear A, which is Minoan. It is very similar to Linear B, which is an early form of Mycenaean Greek.

The words “seems”, “sometimes”, and “like a” do not even point to a conjecture. There are many missing details in the puzzle yet to be uncovered so stop implying that it is derived from the Minoan.

Like I said, I don't really see what any of this has to do with Cyprus being Greek for thousands of years in any event.

Is that based on the assumption that Alexander the Great was Greek or perhaps that the Byzantines were Greek??? On what do you base your conclusions?

Cyprus has an ancient script which predates Greek, so what?

Cyprus had a civilization way before anything Greek existed so any notion that Cypriots originate from Greeks is laughable. It’s like telling one’s grandfather that you are their ancestor!

[utu]

The title of this thread is rather eye-opening. De-Hellenizing Cyprus seems to be about as workable as De-Anglicizing Canada! Hellenic Roots (and Turkish Roots for those living north of the Green Line) should not be dumped. True, Cyprus needs to find its own true identity if reconciliation is to succeed, but not at the cost of denying one's ancesteral past.

[Simon]

Come on GR, you can do better than that. A very weak counter-argument.

"Seem" is defined as something that appears to exist. If something appears to exist, there is obviously evidence for it that goes beyond conjecture. So your only argument is, that it is not Minoan because the word "seem" is used. Where is your evidence that it is not Minoan? No "seem" is used here:

"Parent Systems: Linear A - Cypro-Minoan"

"It has been established that the Cypriot Syllabary is derived from the Linear A script and most probably, the Minoan writing system. The most obvious change is the disappearance of ideograms, which were frequent and represented a significant part of Linear A. The earliest inscriptions of this script is found on clay tablets. Parallel to the evolution of cuneiform, the signs soon became simple patterns of lines. There are some evidence of a semitic influence due to trade, but this pattern seemed to have evolved as the result of habitual use".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_syllabary

There is clear evidence because of the similarity between the scripts amongst other things. You think this just happened by chance? It is well known that the Minoans were active in the region. I'm not implying anything is derived from Minoan, BUT THE EVIDENCE IS and therefore the experts are. That is why I provided the links!

There is mountains of evidence that Alexander the Great was Greek. Don't tell me you buy into Skopje's propaganda?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_f ... reat.shtml

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/Alexander.html

Even in the movie Alexander, he was unmistakably regarded as Greek; and this film used the expertise of Robin Lane Foxe - Oxford historian and premier Alexander expert. Which culture did Alexander spread? Which language? Why did Alexander's parents regard themselves as descendants of Achilles and Hercules, Greek heroes? The fact that Alexander was Greek is accepted by the vast majority of historians and experts.

With regards to the Byzantines, well they spoke Greek, followed Orthodoxy, and the majority of the population of the Empire regarded themselves as Greeks. The Empire is also known as 'Empire of the Greeks' and during this time, Cyprus always retained its uniquely Greek culture. Hence, Cypriots regarded themselves as Greek.

Just because Cyprus had a culture before the Greeks arrived does not in any way shape or form mean that it is not Greek today. Such a logic is ridiculous. Greeks colonised Cyprus and integrated with the locals, who adopted Greek culture, the Greek alphabet, religion etc. Like I said before, Crete had a great culture before the Greeks arrived, does that mean they are not Greek? Britain had a culture before the anglo-saxons arrived, does that mean the English are not anglo-saxons? You can go on forever like this. It doesn't prove anything.

[Byron]

I don't really understand what you are trying to say. What you posted originally is not an ancient Cypriot alphabet as you claimed, but the ancient Cypriot syllabary. It seems that this derived from Linear A, which is Minoan. It is very similar to Linear B, which is an early form of Mycenaean Greek.

The words “seems”, “sometimes”, and “like a” do not even point to a conjecture. There are many missing details in the puzzle yet to be uncovered so stop implying that it is derived from the Minoan.

Like I said, I don't really see what any of this has to do with Cyprus being Greek for thousands of years in any event.

Is that based on the assumption that Alexander the Great was Greek or perhaps that the Byzantines were Greek??? On what do you base your conclusions?

Cyprus has an ancient script which predates Greek, so what?

Cyprus had a civilization way before anything Greek existed so any notion that Cypriots originate from Greeks is laughable. It’s like telling one’s grandfather that you are their ancestor!

H KYPROS EINAI ELLINIKI !!!!

[Oracle]

GR! expects Greece to come and remove the Turks before he will acknowledge he is Greek.

It's a "truth or dare" game .....

[denizaksulu]

After all that has been said, would Greece want to save GR?

[Oracle]

After all that has been said, would Greece want to save GR?

I don't think Greece would be influenced by GR! But save him she would ....... after thousands of years of scholarship, she has met all kinds. Like a replayed tragedy, they fell in the traps of the CIA-coup .... but the Greeks triumph in the end ... and only a fool would think they have given up on saving Cyprus from the Turks ....