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[YFred]

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Thicko! We want Turkey to want to join the EU. Once it loses the desire to get into Eurpoe the ROC will lose its leverage.

If Britain wanted to dehellenise Cyprus why was the island once offered to Greece.

Nope. When will you GCs realise that here is no leverage. EU will not allow you to use them as shields for your purposes. They have their own agenda.
Both wrong.

[Oracle]

Since ur dad was an olympic standard gymnast now i give more chance of succeeding if u get back there...

Actually, I'd like to join u in getting fit, rather because I wish a vegetable, olive oil and souya oil dominated healthier nutrition.

I have just 5-6 extra kilos that's all. I smoke the lightest cigarette which has tripple filter. Lately I reduced smoking a lot. I'm not planing to quit smoking but my target is to limit smoking with half a packet/day.

I'll follow ur "Healthier Life" thread for a while and decide whether to join or not. The biggest obstacle for me is that I have an irregular life style.

Ok you have a few days to think about it

BTW ... Soya Oil is bad for you ... it's high in phyto-oestrogens (behave like female hormones ), so you might "grow into" your nickname, from Boom.

Apologies to Christos1 ... I am trying to read the material for this thread, but I keep getting interrupted ...

[insan]

Since ur dad was an olympic standard gymnast now i give more chance of succeeding if u get back there...

Actually, I'd like to join u in getting fit, rather because I wish a vegetable, olive oil and souya oil dominated healthier nutrition.

I have just 5-6 extra kilos that's all. I smoke the lightest cigarette which has tripple filter. Lately I reduced smoking a lot. I'm not planing to quit smoking but my target is to limit smoking with half a packet/day.

I'll follow ur "Healthier Life" thread for a while and decide whether to join or not. The biggest obstacle for me is that I have an irregular life style.

Ok you have a few days to think about it

BTW ... Soya Oil is bad for you ... it's high in phyto-oestrogens (behave like female hormones ), so you might "grow into" your nickname, from Boom.

Apologies to Christos1 ... I am trying to read the material for this thread, but I keep getting interrupted ...

Hmm.. I've never heard Soya oil is bad for males neither there's such a warning on wrapping papers of soya products. As far as I know it is very healthy for both genders. I'll google abt it. Maybe excessive amount of soya consuming might cause excessive amount of oestrogen secretion. Sure, it should be like that, otherwise there would be warnings on wrappings.

[YFred]

Since ur dad was an olympic standard gymnast now i give more chance of succeeding if u get back there...

Actually, I'd like to join u in getting fit, rather because I wish a vegetable, olive oil and souya oil dominated healthier nutrition.

I have just 5-6 extra kilos that's all. I smoke the lightest cigarette which has tripple filter. Lately I reduced smoking a lot. I'm not planing to quit smoking but my target is to limit smoking with half a packet/day.

I'll follow ur "Healthier Life" thread for a while and decide whether to join or not. The biggest obstacle for me is that I have an irregular life style.

Ok you have a few days to think about it

BTW ... Soya Oil is bad for you ... it's high in phyto-oestrogens (behave like female hormones ), so you might "grow into" your nickname, from Boom.

Apologies to Christos1 ... I am trying to read the material for this thread, but I keep getting interrupted ...

Hmm.. I've never heard Soya oil is bad for males neither there's such a warning on wrapping papers of soya products. As far as I know it is very healthy for both genders. I'll google abt it. Maybe excessive amount of soya consuming might cause excessive amount of oestrogen secretion. Sure, it should be like that, otherwise there would be warnings on wrappings.

Insan, beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

[insan]

Since ur dad was an olympic standard gymnast now i give more chance of succeeding if u get back there...

Actually, I'd like to join u in getting fit, rather because I wish a vegetable, olive oil and souya oil dominated healthier nutrition.

I have just 5-6 extra kilos that's all. I smoke the lightest cigarette which has tripple filter. Lately I reduced smoking a lot. I'm not planing to quit smoking but my target is to limit smoking with half a packet/day.

I'll follow ur "Healthier Life" thread for a while and decide whether to join or not. The biggest obstacle for me is that I have an irregular life style.

Ok you have a few days to think about it

BTW ... Soya Oil is bad for you ... it's high in phyto-oestrogens (behave like female hormones ), so you might "grow into" your nickname, from Boom.

Apologies to Christos1 ... I am trying to read the material for this thread, but I keep getting interrupted ...

Hmm.. I've never heard Soya oil is bad for males neither there's such a warning on wrapping papers of soya products. As far as I know it is very healthy for both genders. I'll google abt it. Maybe excessive amount of soya consuming might cause excessive amount of oestrogen secretion. Sure, it should be like that, otherwise there would be warnings on wrappings.

Insan, beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

In the last message of Oracle I felt something like that. Though she always behave like same way. Being very good with any TCs or Turks disturbs something inside her mind, very badly. The environment she is being in has a lot of influence on her behaviours towards TCs and Turks.

[Oracle]

Since ur dad was an olympic standard gymnast now i give more chance of succeeding if u get back there...

Actually, I'd like to join u in getting fit, rather because I wish a vegetable, olive oil and souya oil dominated healthier nutrition.

I have just 5-6 extra kilos that's all. I smoke the lightest cigarette which has tripple filter. Lately I reduced smoking a lot. I'm not planing to quit smoking but my target is to limit smoking with half a packet/day.

I'll follow ur "Healthier Life" thread for a while and decide whether to join or not. The biggest obstacle for me is that I have an irregular life style.

Ok you have a few days to think about it

BTW ... Soya Oil is bad for you ... it's high in phyto-oestrogens (behave like female hormones ), so you might "grow into" your nickname, from Boom.

Apologies to Christos1 ... I am trying to read the material for this thread, but I keep getting interrupted ...

Hmm.. I've never heard Soya oil is bad for males neither there's such a warning on wrapping papers of soya products. As far as I know it is very healthy for both genders. I'll google abt it. Maybe excessive amount of soya consuming might cause excessive amount of oestrogen secretion. Sure, it should be like that, otherwise there would be warnings on wrappings.

I don't have time to look and scrutinise just yet, but here's something easy which might give you a clue ...

Why there is interest in soy and breast cancer

Soy products have received a lot of interest in the past few years. Claims have been made that eating foods made from soya beans can help prevent breast cancer or help treat it once it has been diagnosed. There are also claims that it can replace hormone replacement therapy in menopausal women.

All these claims are based on the fact that soya contains phytooestrogens. These are natural plant chemicals that have weak oestrogen like effects on the body. There are two main groups of phytooestrogens, called isoflavones and lignans. The phytooestrogens in soya are isoflavones.

Eating phytooestrogens is supposed to help reduce hot flushes, for example, during the menopause. In healthy women, eating phytooestrogens may lower your natural production of oestrogen. High oestrogen levels have been linked to development of breast cancer, so this may be a good thing. But we don’t know this and shouldn’t assume it. Phytooestrogens may have a similar effect on the body as natural oestrogen. It may not make any difference to breast cancer risk.

Research into soy and breast cancer
If soya does affect breast cancer risk, a couple of research findings suggest how this may happen. Plant oestrogens seem to lengthen the menstrual cycle in women who are still having periods. If the menstrual cycle is longer, women have fewer cycles over a lifetime. Research has suggested that the fewer menstrual cycles a woman has, the lower her risk of breast cancer. Another study found, in 2002, that women with the highest levels of soya products in their diets had the lowest breast density. Higher breast density is associated with higher breast cancer risk. This is the first time that soya has been found to have a direct effect on breast tissue.

A 2004 study has looked at the levels of lignans in the blood of women with breast cancer and a similar group of women without. They found there was no apparent link with lignan levels in the blood and risk of breast cancer. Other UK based research has looked at diet in women of South Asian origin in the UK who have breast cancer. The traditional South Asian diet is vegetarian, but relatively low in soya based foods. The women with the highest levels of isoflavones had the lowest rates of breast cancer. This was quite a small study. We still need more evidence to be sure that isoflavones in the diet are related to breast cancer. Other researchers say that isoflavones may be important but it is the diet before puberty that matters most with breast cancer risk

In 2005 researchers looked at the results of several published studies into a link between phytooestrogens and breast cancer risk. They found the evidence conflicting, and concluded there was no clear evidence of a link.

In lab studies, researchers have found that a particular isoflavone stimulates cancer cell growth when it is at a low concentration. But it helps to stop cancer cell growth at high concentrations. But they say the high concentration level of isoflavone can't be reached through diet, so that doesn't get us much further forward for the moment.

It will take many years before enough research is completed and we know whether soy products have any effect on breast cancer. In the meantime, it probably isn’t a good idea to eat large amounts of them if you have been diagnosed with breast cancer. Much breast cancer treatment is aimed at blocking oestrogen, as this female hormone is known to stimulate many breast cancers to grow. If your oestrogen levels have been lowered or blocked completely by your treatment, it may not be helpful to take in large amounts of a similar chemical, even if it is derived from plants.

Copyright Cancer Research UK 2002
Cancer Research UK Charity Number 1089464

[yialousa1971]

I want to expand a little on a couple of issues raised by Apostolos and Hermes in comments they left in these two Hellenic Antidote posts.

First, Hermes draws attention to this article (in Greek) on encouragement being given by the UK Labour MP Andrew Dismore to the creation of a bogus Cypriot national identity that would deliberately seek to marginalise if not eliminate Cyprus' and Cypriots' Greekness. Dismore is vice-chairman of the so-called Friends of Cyprus group, which consists mostly of UK parliamentarians but also counts journalists and academics as its members, and whose positions on the Turkish occupation are generally regarded as sympathetic to the Greek side.

In relation to Dismore and his support for a Cypriot national identity, it’s worth making the following points:

1. The Friends of Cyprus flatters to deceive, i.e. it pretends it is a caucus representing Greek Cypriot interests to the UK government, but its real role is the opposite: to convince Greek Cypriots of UK positions.

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens.

read the rest here:
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

Can you tell me if you have either a Cypriot ID or a Cypriot passport ??
The entire world recognises the island of Cyprus and its legal entity as that of a Cypriot nation. What the hell is it with you people who are in denial of our Cypriot ancestry and our Cypriot nationality.
I'm not , repeat not a bloody KALAMARAS , I'm a Cypriot above all else , you want to deny me my birthright by denigrating my devine right to be a national of my country of birth. I have nothing , I repeat nothing to be ashamed of being a Cypriot , you obviously are and Im certain that when asked of your nationality you stick your chest out and reply , Greek , well I dont mate I reply a Cypriot if pressed further to reveal if a G/C or a T/C then I repond by saying a G/C by default.
I love Greek music , I performed it professionaly , I love Greek food , I adore the reachness of the Greek language , the Greek glory of thousands of years ago , the contribution that Greece made to the world and the fact that our Western world civilization , democracy and culture IS a byproduct of the Greek civilization , but we are Greek Cypriots and the island of Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , all of them .

You posted in another thread that I'm "gullible" , let me assure that I'm no ones fool , I have never been a sucker and neither do I or anyone else considers me to an unsophisticated naive 63 year old.
What you failed to mention is that I'm a pragmatist and undeviatingly consistent with my support of the independence and territorial integrity of my nation which concurs in totality with the position of all International institutions.
ps. Your out of order with your comments concerning Bananiot , a man that I have met on 3 occasions and found him a solid respectable professional man who has my total respect.

but we are Greek Cypriots

That's what Mr akritas is saying, just like you said. We are not a separate entity, we are part of the Hellenic World as just like any other Hellen. As to that stupid word you keep using (KALAMARAS), I've never heard it myself, what does it mean?

[Get Real!]

Insan, beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

I've lost count how many TCs have posted the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over...

What a predictably boring bunch of goofballs!

[Get Real!]

We are not a separate entity, we are part of the Hellenic World as just like any other Hellen.

There's no such thing as a "Hellenic world" outside the figment of your imaginations...

[Oracle]

Since ur dad was an olympic standard gymnast now i give more chance of succeeding if u get back there...

Actually, I'd like to join u in getting fit, rather because I wish a vegetable, olive oil and souya oil dominated healthier nutrition.

I have just 5-6 extra kilos that's all. I smoke the lightest cigarette which has tripple filter. Lately I reduced smoking a lot. I'm not planing to quit smoking but my target is to limit smoking with half a packet/day.

I'll follow ur "Healthier Life" thread for a while and decide whether to join or not. The biggest obstacle for me is that I have an irregular life style.

Ok you have a few days to think about it

BTW ... Soya Oil is bad for you ... it's high in phyto-oestrogens (behave like female hormones ), so you might "grow into" your nickname, from Boom.

Apologies to Christos1 ... I am trying to read the material for this thread, but I keep getting interrupted ...

Hmm.. I've never heard Soya oil is bad for males neither there's such a warning on wrapping papers of soya products. As far as I know it is very healthy for both genders. I'll google abt it. Maybe excessive amount of soya consuming might cause excessive amount of oestrogen secretion. Sure, it should be like that, otherwise there would be warnings on wrappings.

Insan, beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

In the last message of Oracle I felt something like that. Though she always behave like same way. Being very good with any TCs or Turks disturbs something inside her mind, very badly. The environment she is being in has a lot of influence on her behaviours towards TCs and Turks.

Well, if you're going to start gossiping behind my back and doubting my concerns for a fellow forumer, then I just won't speak to either of you again (not that I was speaking to YFred anyway ).

And there I was Googling for you when I should be doing other stuff ...

Goodbye!